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Related: About this forumAtheists challenging ‘under God’ need to win hearts, not just minds
Chris Stedman
This month, the Pledge of Allegiance turns 122 years oldbut it has only included the phrase under God for half of that time.
Fittingly, the American Humanist Association (AHA) has launched a campaign asking Americans of all faiths and beliefs to boycott the Pledge (or take a stand by sitting down) until it is restored to its original under God-less state.
For the AHA, this isnt just about historythey argue that the inclusion of under God is discriminatory, and that support for it reflects cultural anti-atheist bias. However, they think a history lesson could help, suggesting that educating Americans about the Pledges secular past could help increase public support.
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goldent
(1,582 posts)is simply not going to fly. While I think they have absolutely no chance, I've got to admire their determination.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)There have been lots of changes to our society that once seemed unthinkable - open homosexuality for example. While things aren't perfect for the LGBT community - it wasn't that long ago that they had to be invisible or risk legal prosecution. Perhaps this "under God" bit of the pledge, which is a bit exclusionary, can be reevaluated as we as a society evolve.
It comes down to the question of whether we want an America that is going to be welcoming to all different ways of thought on the subject of God or whether we want Christians to retain their position of cultural superiority.
Bryant
goldent
(1,582 posts)itself has no chance. I imagine it will be a year or so before this campaign fades away. There will be future campaigns that might have better chances.
The "under God" phrase is exclusionary and not needed, but I don't think it is exclusive to Christians.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I don't see how it could be applied to most eastern religions, and while Islam does believe in a monotheistic God, there is probably some difference of opinion on whether the God in "under God" is Allah or not - I think many Christians would very clear that that's not the same being.
Bryant
goldent
(1,582 posts)as to how technically they would interpret the word "God." In this context, I'd give it a broad interpretation as applying to almost anything spiritual, even though historically it was inserted by a Jewish/Christian legislature. It would be interesting to know if Muslims and others feel it applies to their God.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)'Under god' would be exclusive of polytheistic faiths, strictly speaking. And they notice the wording, you can be sure.
Most sects of Buddhist would not recognize a singular, unifying deity that could be colloquially referred to as 'under god'. They have such a concept as a supernatural god-like entity, but they reject a singular creator type god, and most importantly do not worship or follow such beings. (There are a couple, small sect exceptions to this, but they are numerically small)
Hinduism, or most sects of it, might have issues with that term as well. There are many more. It would require each individual exposed to the phrase to generously re-interpret the statement to match whatever they believe of don't believe.
Personally I wouldn't have anything to interpret it into. But that's why I've always been silent during those two beats when other people recite it.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Muhammad was very explicit that his revelation had its roots in Judaism and Christianity. "Allah" is simply Arabic for "God," and is so used in Arabic-language Bibles.
The ones who would argue the contrary are the right-wing fundamentalist Christians.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Yes from a Muslim perspective it is the same thing; but I think that Muslims are sharp enough to know that when fundamentalist Christians insist that Under God be used, they mean under the Christian God. It's not a welcoming statement; it's a statement of division - America is for Real True Christians.
Bryant