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seaglass

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Great article, thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #1
Thanks for posting! deurbano Oct 2013 #2
Interesting and insightful. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #3
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #4
BTW..in Amy Goodman's interview with Greenwald today...she asked KoKo Oct 2013 #5
The two links in the article to the NSA Spying Story NYT held for a year..and the KoKo Oct 2013 #6
Don't want to lose the link to the article when I delete my OP - copy below seaglass Dec 2013 #7
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
1. Great article, thanks for posting. nm
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:58 AM
Oct 2013

deurbano

(2,957 posts)
2. Thanks for posting!
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:50 AM
Oct 2013
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. Interesting and insightful.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:44 PM
Oct 2013

I think that there's a lot to these observations; what constitutes "journalism" and what will dominate how consumers get their information and form opinions are in a constant state of change and likely to remain so.

Recommended.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
4. K & R !!!
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 05:46 PM
Oct 2013

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. BTW..in Amy Goodman's interview with Greenwald today...she asked
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:08 PM
Oct 2013

Glen about this interview! His reply is in my "Democracy Now" post here on this Forum. It's a good watch.

Thanks for the post...K&R!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
6. The two links in the article to the NSA Spying Story NYT held for a year..and the
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:06 AM
Oct 2013

the Diplomat in Pakistan who was really CIA...were an interesting mind refresher. I wonder if the NYT article could have influenced the 2004 Election if it had not been held back. And, that we had CIA Agents working with Blackwater in the second link.

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At the Times, a Scoop Deferred
By Paul Farhi
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 17, 2005

The New York Times' revelation yesterday that President Bush authorized the National Security Agency to conduct domestic eavesdropping raised eyebrows in political and media circles, for both its stunning disclosures and the circumstances of its publication.

In an unusual note, the Times said in its story that it held off publishing the 3,600-word article for a year after the newspaper's representatives met with White House officials. It said the White House had asked the paper not to publish the story at all, "arguing that it could jeopardize continuing investigations and alert would-be terrorists that they might be under scrutiny."

The Times said it agreed to remove information that administration officials said could be "useful" to terrorists and delayed publication for a year "to conduct additional reporting."

The paper offered no explanation to its readers about what had changed in the past year to warrant publication. It also did not disclose that the information is included in a forthcoming book, "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration," written by James Risen, the lead reporter on yesterday's story. The book will be published in mid-January, according to its publisher, Simon & Schuster.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/16/AR2005121601716.html



Monday, Feb 21, 2011 01:22 PM EDT
The NYT’s journalistic obedience
The paper of record once again withholds key information because the government tells it to
By Glenn Greenwald

Yesterday, as I noted earlier, The Guardian reported that Davis — despite Obama’s description of him as “our diplomat in Pakistan” — actually works for the CIA, and further noted that Pakistani officials believe he worked with Blackwater. When reporting that, The Guardian noted that many American media outlets had learned of this fact but deliberately concealed it — because the U.S. Government told them to: ”A number of US media outlets learned about Davis’s CIA role but have kept it under wraps at the request of the Obama administration.”

http://www.salon.com/2011/02/21/nyt_16/

seaglass

(8,179 posts)
7. Don't want to lose the link to the article when I delete my OP - copy below
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 11:16 AM
Dec 2013

Fascinating conversation btwn Bill Keller (NYT) and Glenn Greenwald - views on journalism

Last edited Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:54 AM - Edit history (1)
Is Glenn Greenwald the future of news?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/opinion/a-conversation-in-lieu-of-a-column.html?pagewanted=1&_r=5

This is 7 pages long and I just finished reading it - still reading through the comments from readers which are also enlightening.

Highly recommend.
On edit - to entice readers:

"Dear Glenn,

We come at journalism from different traditions. I’ve spent a life working at newspapers that put a premium on aggressive but impartial reporting, that expect reporters and editors to keep their opinions to themselves unless they relocate (as I have done) to the pages clearly identified as the home of opinion. You come from a more activist tradition — first as a lawyer, then as a blogger and columnist, and soon as part of a new, independent journalistic venture financed by the eBay founder Pierre Omidyar. Your writing proceeds from a clearly stated point of view.

In a post on Reuters this summer, media critic Jack Shafer celebrated the tradition of partisan journalism — “From Tom Paine to Glenn Greenwald” — and contrasted it with what he called “the corporatist ideal.” He didn’t explain the phrase, but I don’t think he meant it in a nice way. Henry Farrell, who blogs for The Washington Post, wrote more recently that publications like The New York Times and The Guardian “have political relationships with governments, which make them nervous about publishing (and hence validating) certain kinds of information,” and he suggested that your new project with Omidyar would represent a welcome escape from such relationships. "

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