The concept was and is the same as social security.. we are all in the mix.. and by all of us being in..then younger, healthier people would float older people or people with long term illnesses.. that is what insurance is basically.. the group floats the needs of the individual at the time needed.

But this continual act of stupid.. I do not know how this is going to work put on by the right and republicans.. has spooked some people.

The system is having a rocky roll out..

So what...

It is here to stay and it will get fixed as the problems arise.

and now they are told they can keep them (but, not all of them) and that POB keeps making statements and then retracting. I did catch that part of his statement and felt he seemed to be more blaming the insurance companies and government regulations trying to get the website out than being more attuned to how confusing this is to people out there.

Nancy Pelosi was interviewed on C-Span before POB's Statement and she said that she wanted to let the President speak but, that she felt that the Democrats would be working with him on the extension. So, hopefully our Dems in Congress can maybe clarify the extension so that folks aren't left wondering which plans they can keep and which they can't. The Insurance Companies are already out there stating that some of the policies can't be extended because they are already transitioned out because of the deadlines built in and other problems like insurance companies that already pulled out of states and blaming Obama.

It's messy...and one hopes it can all get worked out.

Medicare insurance policy for the same money as their junk plan, until all the kinks can be worked out of the exchange plans. This would be a temporary fix...maybe. There would be a lot of people who are very happy with their new coverage. Medicare would receive a money fusion into the fund from a younger and healthier group of insurees. He doesn't need to go to Congress for it and it certainly will let all the air out of the tires of the Fox media complainers.

this is the next step to medicare for all.. It is knocking it right past them.. and they did not even see the ball..

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like the bombing in Syria that the MIC was lathering for. They were all set for a juicy war and all that new taxpayer's money coming in and Putin pulled the rug out from under them. All it took was for Obama to announce that he would let Congress decide if to go to war. This Congress? Seriously?

It was a masterful move by Obama and Putin took up the cue. He can do the same with this.

I'm with you on ..."Single Payer"....but, I'm not as hopeful as you that this will be achieved soon enough...that so many will be given false hopes and dashed and that it will be many years.

I wonder if the pain folks have to live through all of this...is worth it for the Long Run. I don't like to see folks ground down waiting when they are desperate.

But, I can see that maybe this is what "has to be" before folks wake up to MEDICARE for ALL...is the way to go.

So...thanks for your views...and the discussion. I just wish the whole ACA had been much better handled by our Democrats that we trusted to be "on top" of all this. That's the disappointment some of us Dems on the Left have.... that our Dem Infrastructure was SO WEAK that it allowed this and didn't steer Obama and cover him... I don't blame Obama but more our weak seeming "Dem Power Structure" for this. If you can understand where I'm coming from as I have understood where YOU are coming from.

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in Social Security so that Wall Street can raid the fund. Then it would be like Social Security, but not before.

That is the example I am using.. risk pool. It is a great argument to use with right wingers who faint at the thought of that "ponzi scheme" social security... just say risk pool.. and their eyes will roll back in their heads and they will run for the door..because you have them ..

There is no risk pool in Social Security. Everyone who turns sixty-five, who has paid into it, is eligible for Social Security. There is no means testing, another thing the right wing wants to screw it up with. It makes it universal like an ocean, not limited like a pool. There is no risk involved. Everyone will eventually become part of the ocean Yes, there are other caveats too, but for the sake of simplicity, let's stick to the universality of the sixty five years of age eligibility. I admire that you like to trip right wingers on their failed premises, but this is not the one to use because it uses faulty logic.

It is literally the the Social Security Insurance Act of 1935

However, it's really a pension, not insurance in the way insurance is defined. It only insures that old people, widows, the disabled and orphans don't starve when they are no longer able to work or when the bread winner in the family dies. That's all. There is no risk pool involved in the traditional way insurance actuaries do their figures. That was your point, wasn't it? The risk pool?

The younger workers are supporting older workers with their contributions.. the older ones and those disabled etc are at one end of the risk pool.. and most of us have been at the other end of the risk pool contributing for any number of decades.. it is insurance. We all get to experience both ends of the risk pool.. that is how it works Cleita..

It's very misleading though to compare the ACA to SS. It's just not the same and it will give those right wingers more fuel to shoot more holes into Social Security like they are doing.

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He gave too much power to those conservadems, like Baucus, Daschle and Dr. Emmanuel who favored allowing the insurance industry to stay in health care although the same industry is the one that caused all the problems with it instead of listening to the health care providers who administer it and patients who receive it. It's something that should never be considered political.

I remember him once saying that it was one-sixth of the economy and that would cause a market crash to push them out. Oh, for god's sake, even a dummy like me understands that the insurance industry will never go broke. They will find something else to insure. I think our lovely President is in over his head and he needs to look for some other, wiser advisors that are not his inner circle.

He seems to be getting very bad or conflicting advice. With Syria... drawing "The Red Line" and then "thankfully" pulling back from attacking them at the last minute. It's his conflicting statements where he makes statements that are either too harsh or too optimistic and then has to backtrack that cause problems with us out here wondering what to think.

conservative and she's in trouble to retain her seat.

Is it the Neo-Libs or what we used to call the DLC? I guess I could see some of that but President Obama has not helped himself because he trashed the LEFT with Rahm Emmanuel when he was Inaugurated and he's been Wall Street/Internet Tech/Hedge Fund and Big Business Supporter since he was Elected.

He did NOT HAVE TO DO THAT. So...if he leans towards the RW Dems (DINO's) then that's been HIS CHOICE....not something that the rest of us Active Dems ever wanted him to do. AND we VOTED FOR HIM and SUPPORTED HIM....ALSO. We just didn't have "Hollywood/MIC/Pharma and the REST BIG BUCKS that he needed....so, we got marginalized.

Just my humble opinion.......from observation and involved.