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Pot death toll still at zero. (Original Post) Scuba May 2015 OP
Study Claims to Find First Two Deaths Caused by Marijuana oberliner May 2015 #1
Here's another one for ya... smiley May 2015 #2
This one could actually count and this data point should be tracked. Scuba May 2015 #4
I'm sure they are tracking it here in CO... smiley May 2015 #21
Wow, so Cannabis "toxicity" causes heart attacks? tridim May 2015 #5
Some other source was claiming 30k per year oberliner May 2015 #6
Pot does lower blood pressure a little bit but it also raises the heart rate quite a bit with me. LiberalArkie May 2015 #10
Kind of like watching a scary movie. tridim May 2015 #17
Another take: Pot deaths up 1000% !!! ret5hd May 2015 #3
Actually... Helen Borg May 2015 #11
I remember stories about a cannabis death during the late 90's, War Horse May 2015 #7
An internet myth? From the 90's? You're talking AOL there, buddy! d_legendary1 May 2015 #18
I think I read it in High Times in the mid-70's Fozzledick May 2015 #20
I once got into an auto accident because I was stoned. The_Commonist May 2015 #8
The point isn't to say it's harmless..... daleanime May 2015 #14
Perfect response! The_Commonist May 2015 #15
Cannabis deaths Roy Rolling May 2015 #9
You know, the bullshit about pot proves RWers are not totally rabid capitalists. malthaussen May 2015 #12
Criminalizing a big chunk of the population helps the oligarchs keep control. Scuba May 2015 #13
Sure, but that could have been done with other things. malthaussen May 2015 #16
hey give me time okay ? olddots May 2015 #19
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Study Claims to Find First Two Deaths Caused by Marijuana
Mon May 11, 2015, 06:05 AM
May 2015

While researchers studied 15 people whose deaths were allegedly linked to marijuana use, 13 of those deaths were confirmed to be caused by other factors. Researchers said, however, that the drug was to blame in two isolated cases of two seemingly health people, one 23 years old and another 28. Autopsies found that younger had a serious undetected heart problem, suggesting that people with cardiological issues should be aware of marijuana risks, and the older had a history of alcohol and drug use.

“To our knowledge, these are the first cases of suspected fatal cannabis intoxications where full post-mortem investigations… were carried out,” researchers said in the study, published in Forensic Science International this month. “After exclusion of other causes of death we assume that the young men experienced fatal cardiovascular complications evoked by smoking cannabis.”

http://time.com/10372/marijuana-deaths-german-study/

smiley

(1,432 posts)
21. I'm sure they are tracking it here in CO...
Mon May 11, 2015, 05:16 PM
May 2015

But I see it as the media jumping over themselves at any chance to demonize the new legality.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
5. Wow, so Cannabis "toxicity" causes heart attacks?
Mon May 11, 2015, 07:03 AM
May 2015

How so "to your knowledge", Time? What is the toxin?

Load of bunk right there, times two.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Some other source was claiming 30k per year
Mon May 11, 2015, 07:24 AM
May 2015

If it is legalized. I'll see if I can find the article. Comparing it to smoking cigs and the dangers posed therein.

LiberalArkie

(16,614 posts)
10. Pot does lower blood pressure a little bit but it also raises the heart rate quite a bit with me.
Mon May 11, 2015, 07:43 AM
May 2015

I can not tolerate the increased heart rate.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
17. Kind of like watching a scary movie.
Mon May 11, 2015, 08:57 AM
May 2015

EVERYTHING YOU DO in life changes your blood pressure, including going to the doctor to have your blood pressure checked. It is a normal function of the body.

ret5hd

(21,320 posts)
3. Another take: Pot deaths up 1000% !!!
Mon May 11, 2015, 06:43 AM
May 2015

(i'm assuming percentages work that way when you start from zero)

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
11. Actually...
Mon May 11, 2015, 07:48 AM
May 2015

If it's from zero, technically it's an infinite percentage increase (divide by zero)...

War Horse

(931 posts)
7. I remember stories about a cannabis death during the late 90's,
Mon May 11, 2015, 07:26 AM
May 2015

I think it was. A guy was allegedly hit on the head by large quantities of hash, and subsequently died. But it was probably just an Internet myth

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
18. An internet myth? From the 90's? You're talking AOL there, buddy!
Mon May 11, 2015, 09:39 AM
May 2015

I'm surprised you managed to get a page to load up in order for you to read that story.

Fozzledick

(3,890 posts)
20. I think I read it in High Times in the mid-70's
Mon May 11, 2015, 02:22 PM
May 2015

A crewman on a smuggling trawler was down in the cargo hold when they hit some rough waters, and two tons of stacked 50 lb bales came crashing down on him.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
8. I once got into an auto accident because I was stoned.
Mon May 11, 2015, 07:29 AM
May 2015

There were no other cars involved, and neither I nor my passenger were hurt.
But it was kind of a bad accident and it only happened because I was totally baked.
Ironically, it happened in Death Valley.

I think it's just as bad to say or attempt to imply that "there are no harmful effects to marijuana use," as it is to go all Reefer Madness and Devil's Weed. Like everything else, moderation is the key, and there is a proper time and place. Driving is not one of those times or places. It impairs your senses and judgement, and that's kind of the point, isn't it?

This, from someone who has smoked weed if not daily, certainly weekly for about 40 years now...

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
14. The point isn't to say it's harmless.....
Mon May 11, 2015, 08:06 AM
May 2015

it's to compare the level of danger with other substances.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
15. Perfect response!
Mon May 11, 2015, 08:16 AM
May 2015

And I totally agree with that approach.

Of course, the OP is titled "Pot death toll still at zero."
So I do think there is a purposeful implication there that it is harmless.

Roy Rolling

(7,194 posts)
9. Cannabis deaths
Mon May 11, 2015, 07:42 AM
May 2015

Individual humans sometimes have the strangest allergies, and a reaction to cannabis by someone is not out of the question.

But "overdose" death is extremely unlikely unless there are preexisting conditions.

So a cannabis death here or there is not to be unexpected, but to call that a result of a dangerous substance is not a reasonable conclusion. Cannabis is used in millions of doses without consequence and is 99.99999% safe, and cannot be logically compared to other substances like alcohol with proven scientific fatal overdoses.

malthaussen

(17,752 posts)
12. You know, the bullshit about pot proves RWers are not totally rabid capitalists.
Mon May 11, 2015, 08:01 AM
May 2015

It is an anomaly. The profits and taxes that would be made legalizing pot are enormous, and you would think your true-blue capitalist would consider that above all things. The irony is that compared to the big vices like tobacco and alcohol, marijuana is positively benign from the standpoint of physical health. While "vested interests" could be used to explain the anti-pot crusade (booze and tobacco companies not wanting competition, etc -- and also the collateral links to the MIC and the prison and health industries), capitalism can usually find room for new products when the potential for profit is as high as it is with pot. Kind of a mystery, to me. I suspect the reasons are not wholly related to economics.

-- Mal

malthaussen

(17,752 posts)
16. Sure, but that could have been done with other things.
Mon May 11, 2015, 08:25 AM
May 2015

Bog knows, the amount of time and law enforcement resources spent on enforcing "vice" laws is enormous. But after all, we disposed of Prohibition after damage had been done in creating organized crime despite the fact that rigorously-enforced Prohibiition laws could criminalize a large portion of the population. Whereas we have not nationally repealed laws against marijuana and other non-harmful drugs despite similar damage. And it's not like the ruling class was inconvenienced by Prohibition and therefore protested enough to force repeal.

However, the difference could be that in the period of Prohibition after the Depression, we had less surplus labor to warehouse in prisons than we did when marijuana became a scheduled drug. Obviously the later '30s are a different period from the early '70s. Even if this were the case, though, I still find it curious that true capitalists have been willing to forego the profits which would accrue to legalization for so long. But then, we've had prostitution laws much longer, and there's surely a lot of money to be made there.

-- Mal

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