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elleng

(135,883 posts)
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:43 PM Aug 2015

Martin O’Malley Rails at Democrats for Debate Schedule ‘Rigged’ to Aid Hillary Clinton.NYT

Martin O’Malley had one clear chance to make waves within the Democratic National Committee, and he seized it, delivering a fiery speech Friday that condemned his party’s leadership for what he called a process “rigged” to help Hillary Rodham Clinton — namely, curtailing the number of presidential primary debates.

Accusing party leaders of trying to keep Democratic ideas hidden as the Republican presidential candidates spew “racist hate” from their debate lecterns, Mr. O’Malley, the former Maryland governor and mayor of Baltimore, questioned the decision to hold “four debates and four debates only” before the first four states finish voting.

“This is totally unprecedented in our party’s history,” Mr. O’Malley said. “This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before. Whose decree is it exactly? Where did it come from? To what end? For what purpose? What national or party interest does this decree serve? How does this help us tell the story of the last eight years of Democratic progress?” . .

While Mr. O’Malley has been deeply critical of the party for weeks over the debate schedule, this was a frontal attack on the party’s leadership from its own stage. Without endorsements or many major donors, Mr. O’Malley has little to lose.

But he was giving voice to a complaint that a growing number of party committee members have been making privately. Those members, mindful that Mrs. Clinton’s standing in some polls has sagged lately, have been concerned about a process that could ultimately do the party a disservice.

But delivering such a raw speech startled Democrats at the party’s summer meeting, although it was met with cheers from the crowd.

Mr. O’Malley, a lifelong Democrat and onetime chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, seemed comfortable playing the insurgent as he took the stage.

He urged Democrats to draw a sharp contrast with the discourse among the Republican presidential candidates. “Silence and complacency in the face of hate is not an honorable option,” he said, alluding to Donald J. Trump’s divisive remarks about immigration and women. “We must stand before the American people and show them we have a better way.”

Mr. O’Malley pointed out that the New Hampshire debate, the only one to be held before that state’s primary, was set for a weekend in December, when many people will be distracted with Christmas shopping and family obligations. (“At home we would call that too cute by half,” he told reporters after his speech.)

Later, he acknowledged that he was not the only liberal candidate in the race, but trumpeted his accomplishments in Maryland, including signing a law extending in-state tuition rates to college students who are in the country illegally.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/28/martin-omalley-rails-at-democrats-for-debate-schedule-rigged-to-aid-hillary-clinton/

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Martin O’Malley Rails at Democrats for Debate Schedule ‘Rigged’ to Aid Hillary Clinton.NYT (Original Post) elleng Aug 2015 OP
He asked, Why is there a "decree of silence"? HappyPlace Aug 2015 #1
I loved that evil eye JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #5
He did GREAT, HappyPlace!!! elleng Aug 2015 #6
Why is it considered rigged? Specifically? randys1 Aug 2015 #2
Rigged against everyone not named JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #4
Would like to see that. I dont doubt there is some truth to the accusation, I just didnt randys1 Aug 2015 #7
Except the Republican Party JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #8
Eggs dont fair well in clown cars, they break pretty easily LOL randys1 Aug 2015 #10
Ha! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #12
There were like 26 debates last time around in 2007-8. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #9
I realize fewer debates favor the anointed one, but you say there were how many debates last time? randys1 Aug 2015 #11
We already had 9 at this point in 2007, 26 total. Link: HappyPlace Aug 2015 #13
A frontal attack on the party’s leadership from its own stage JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #3
 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
1. He asked, Why is there a "decree of silence"?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:46 PM
Aug 2015

And then got the evil eye from DWS.

He did good, didn't he Ellen?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
2. Why is it considered rigged? Specifically?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:46 PM
Aug 2015

I am merely asking, I want to understand how it is rigged and how it is different from past election cycles.

JustAnotherGen

(33,444 posts)
4. Rigged against everyone not named
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:50 PM
Aug 2015

Clinton

The fix is in randy - and I hope he doubles down!

You should see the footage of him leaving the stage at the DNC today. dWS was piiiiiiiissed!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
7. Would like to see that. I dont doubt there is some truth to the accusation, I just didnt
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:04 PM
Aug 2015

understand the specifics.

I also believe firmly that both parties do this all the time once they have decided on who they want to win.

JustAnotherGen

(33,444 posts)
8. Except the Republican Party
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:15 PM
Aug 2015

Didn't do this.

Only the Democratic Party is putting all of their eggs in one basket this election.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
10. Eggs dont fair well in clown cars, they break pretty easily LOL
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:16 PM
Aug 2015

I would LOVE to be in love with Hillary because she came out today and denounced wall streets influence and said she wouldnt take their money.

but that hasnt happened yet, until it does, Bernie is the man but Martin could be too I suppose

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
9. There were like 26 debates last time around in 2007-8.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:16 PM
Aug 2015

Rigged by having so few.

Few debates benefits the very powerful and influential frontrunner.

You didn't realize this?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
11. I realize fewer debates favor the anointed one, but you say there were how many debates last time?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:17 PM
Aug 2015

I just dont remember that

And this criticism implies it is rigged for reasons other than the number.

If you say Obama and company participated in 26 debates when he ran for prez the first time, I will believe you I guess but I sure as heck dont recall that

I guess I could google it.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_debates,_2008

You are right.

It might help the narrative if people who bring this up provide this link and remind people of this.

I dont recall watching anywhere near that many debates, but I can see they did happen

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
13. We already had 9 at this point in 2007, 26 total. Link:
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:24 PM
Aug 2015
2008 Democratic candidates
Debates

5.1 April 26, 2007 – Orangeburg, South Carolina, South Carolina State University
5.2 June 3, 2007 - CNN 7:00pm EDT - Goffstown, New Hampshire, Saint Anselm College
5.3 June 28, 2007 - PBS - Washington, D.C., Howard University
5.4 July 12, 2007–Detroit, Michigan
5.5 July 23, 2007 - CNN - Charleston, South Carolina, The Citadel military college
5.6 August 4, 2007 – Chicago, Illinois
5.7 August 7, 2007 – Chicago, Illinois
5.8 August 9, 2007 – Los Angeles, California
5.9 August 19, 2007 – Des Moines, Iowa
5.10 September 9, 2007 – Coral Gables, Florida, University of Miami
5.11 September 12, 2007
5.12 September 20, 2007 – Davenport, Iowa
5.13 September 26, 2007 – Hanover, New Hampshire, Dartmouth College
5.14 October 30, 2007 - NBC 9:00pm EDT - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Drexel University
5.15 November 15, 2007 - CNN - Las Vegas, Nevada
5.16 December 4, 2007 - NPR (radio only) - Des Moines, Iowa
5.17 December 13, 2007 – Johnston, Iowa
5.18 January 5, 2008 - ABC 8:45pm EST - Goffstown, New Hampshire, Saint Anselm College
5.19 January 15, 2008 - MSNBC 6:00pm PST - Las Vegas, Nevada, College of Southern Nevada
5.20 January 21, 2008 - CNN 8:00pm EST - Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
5.21 January 31, 2008 - CNN 5:00pm PDT - Hollywood, California
5.22 February 2, 2008 - MTV 6:00pm EST - MTV Myspace Debate
5.23 February 21, 2008 - CNN 7:00pm CST - Austin, Texas, University of Texas at Austin
5.24 February 26, 2008 - MSNBC 9:00pm EST - Cleveland, Ohio, Cleveland State University
5.25 April 13, 2008 - CNN 8:00pm EDT - Grantham, Pennsylvania, Messiah College
5.26 April 16, 2008 - ABC 8:00pm EDT - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_debates,_2008
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