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The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 08:43 AM Aug 2017

Hi, I'm actually GliderGuider, who posted below

I ran afoul of the admins over a political issue (what else), so I had to start a new handle. Life goes on.

The update is that my beloved is in her end crisis. The cancer moved far faster than we were prepared for, and appears to have taken out a lot of her digestive system. 24 hours ago she was good enough to go see our family doctor, now she's too sick to take an ambulance to emergency. She can't hold down food or liquids, even water. She is is vomiting every ten minutes or so, and is throwing up what appear to be pieces of stomach tissue. Since she was still depending on oral pain meds, and doesn't have approval for injectables yet, that is a problem. Between bouts of vomiting I'm trying to keep enough oral hydromorphone in her to ease the discomfort. This is an extremely rapid and merciless crash.

I'm becoming a psychopomp whether I want to or not. Please ask the universe to ease her passage.

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Hi, I'm actually GliderGuider, who posted below (Original Post) The_jackalope Aug 2017 OP
I'm so sorry. This sounds horrific. sweetroxie Aug 2017 #1
Hospice is looped in, and they're being helpful The_jackalope Aug 2017 #4
Best to die at home then in a cold hospital room kimbutgar Aug 2017 #17
I am asking the universe to ease your pain as well. FM123 Aug 2017 #2
Thank you. I'm doing OK right now, but the stress is going to torpedo me in a day or two. nt The_jackalope Aug 2017 #5
I am sorry for both your suffering........ samnsara Aug 2017 #3
That's what I wish for her as well. The_jackalope Aug 2017 #6
Prayers Hayduke Bomgarte Aug 2017 #7
Been wondering about you both . I know the background you have posted . Hope by now she is getting lunasun Aug 2017 #8
I am so sorry, GG - but I know when my late husband was so desperately ill (and did NOT want Leghorn21 Aug 2017 #9
That does work if you can't keep anything down, but best to start out slow ... mr_lebowski Aug 2017 #31
Oh my... cilla4progress Aug 2017 #10
Strength to you both, GG & T_j. appal_jack Aug 2017 #11
I'm so sorry to hear this radical noodle Aug 2017 #12
I am so sorry. LiberalLoner Aug 2017 #13
I walked this path. WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2017 #14
A rectal infusion of the drug might avoid vomiting. Read up and start with quarter dosage. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #15
So deeply sorry volstork Aug 2017 #16
Om Mani Padme Hum WhiteTara Aug 2017 #18
Peace world wide wally Aug 2017 #19
That is so horrible Moral Compass Aug 2017 #20
May she cross easy, and may you find peace. nolabear Aug 2017 #21
Most of us will walk this path if not already HAB911 Aug 2017 #22
Really sorry to hear this. Ligyron Aug 2017 #23
My heartfelt sympathies to your spouse and you Plucketeer Aug 2017 #24
I'm so very sorry. If you have decent insurance that covers prescriptions, Aqtiq lollipops catbyte Aug 2017 #25
Very sorry to here this May she pass quickly and softly dbackjon Aug 2017 #26
My deepest sympathies and condolences to you both. Moostache Aug 2017 #27
heaven knows we liocked horns on occasion, but DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #28
GG, jack, Bodhi.... You will be ok. You will make it through. pangaia Aug 2017 #29
Ask for this Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #30
I am so sorry. Duppers Aug 2017 #32
I took her to emergency yesterday at 1:00 PM The_jackalope Aug 2017 #33
My heart is hurting for you both. babylonsister Aug 2017 #34
I spoke with the hospice coordinator yesterday, and I'll be talking to her again today. The_jackalope Aug 2017 #35

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
4. Hospice is looped in, and they're being helpful
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 08:54 AM
Aug 2017

It's just that this all went pear-shaped so damn fast, we didn't have all the pieces lined up. We're doing it on the fly. I've got a headset on and working the phone as I type. I expect I'll be able to get a palliative care doctor over here today.

My wife doesn't want to go to emergency because of the risk that they'll admit her. I know that sounds odd, but it's very important to her that she not be under institutional control during these final days or hours. I know why that's so important to her, and I agree with her.

The situation is fluid, and we're playing it out in real time.

kimbutgar

(23,254 posts)
17. Best to die at home then in a cold hospital room
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:38 AM
Aug 2017

My Dad died in a cold hospital room. He told me to go home because he didnt want me driving at night then he passed. I always regretted that I didn't bring him home. 19 years later my mother ended up in the hospital she got stabilized and I got to bring her home where she passed 10 days later In her home with me holding her hand. So peaceful.

My sympathies and my thoughts are with you.

samnsara

(18,282 posts)
3. I am sorry for both your suffering........
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 08:47 AM
Aug 2017

...Godspeed to your beloved for a safe passage unto the next phase of her existence....

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
6. That's what I wish for her as well.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 08:57 AM
Aug 2017

We have both sensed that there is a large and happy welcoming committee assembling on the other side. Keeping my fingers crossed.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
8. Been wondering about you both . I know the background you have posted . Hope by now she is getting
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 09:10 AM
Aug 2017

more morphine and an emergency call was answered
Yes I will ask and also ask peace for you. Little time left hold her with love

Leghorn21

(13,736 posts)
9. I am so sorry, GG - but I know when my late husband was so desperately ill (and did NOT want
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 09:18 AM
Aug 2017

to be hospitalized), I just inserted his morphine tablets up his butt. The hell with "protocol".

Caregiving is the hardest job we'll ever have...but you'll do a fine job, though it may not feel like it right now.

Keep us posted, please, and keep doing what you're doing -

HUGS

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
31. That does work if you can't keep anything down, but best to start out slow ...
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:31 PM
Aug 2017

Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) is one of the higher bio-availability via oral route opioids so you probably don't need to cut the dose TOO much when going the 'opposite' route (basically rectally admin ends up being pretty close to the strength of IV usage, though spread over much more time ... it's going direct to your blood stream). If you had to go that route I'd cut the dose in half to start to see how it affects her.

Sorry for your families suffering ... hope your pain is eased soon ...

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
11. Strength to you both, GG & T_j.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 09:27 AM
Aug 2017

I wish I could be of more help, but fwiw, there's someone way down south wishing you both as much fortitude & peace as possible.

-app

radical noodle

(8,578 posts)
12. I'm so sorry to hear this
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 09:50 AM
Aug 2017

Prayers (and purrs from my cats) that she will have a gentle journey and that you get the help you need. Love to you both.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,157 posts)
14. I walked this path.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:30 AM
Aug 2017

I am so sorry you're going through it. Hospice workers are angels on earth...they will really help you both through this difficult passage. My thoughts are with you. Message me if you want to vent.

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,893 posts)
15. A rectal infusion of the drug might avoid vomiting. Read up and start with quarter dosage.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:30 AM
Aug 2017

Drugs can be absorbed faster and more completely in the rectum sometimes.

But read up and get medical advice if you can, even over the phone.

HAB911

(9,360 posts)
22. Most of us will walk this path if not already
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:05 AM
Aug 2017

I just did with my older brother in Hospice

Peace to you both

Ligyron

(7,890 posts)
23. Really sorry to hear this.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:05 AM
Aug 2017

We used to dissolve that drug in water and inject because it breaks down very, very easily hence the "hydro" in hydromorphone. People drop Dilaudid right in the barrel of the syringe, suck up some water, shake, get the air bubbles out and inject in upper arm, where ever.

Can't throw that up.

I'm just telling you what I know...

Good luck.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
24. My heartfelt sympathies to your spouse and you
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:09 AM
Aug 2017

I know what you're going thru and I wish I had something stronger than an easy passing to offer. Peace

catbyte

(35,763 posts)
25. I'm so very sorry. If you have decent insurance that covers prescriptions, Aqtiq lollipops
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:39 AM
Aug 2017

would be very effective for her pain. The fentanyl is absorbed through the tissue in the cheek so swallowing & keeping down the meds isn't an issue.They're wicked expensive, though. I used to be on them for pain control, but I lost my great prescription drug benefits when I retired so I had to find something else much less expensive. Again, I'm so very sorry. I've seen family members & my spouse of 30 years through terminal illnesses and it's just plain horrific. Please don't forget to take care of you.

Moostache

(10,161 posts)
27. My deepest sympathies and condolences to you both.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:42 AM
Aug 2017

I do truly hope that she finds respite and you find comfort in this terrible ordeal and when the storm has passed and the grief run its cruel and inevitable course, that you are able to reflect on the warm and happier times and hold those dear the rest of your days and that the memories and torment of the present slips effortlessly into a deep past to never be revisited.

DonCoquixote

(13,710 posts)
28. heaven knows we liocked horns on occasion, but
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:44 AM
Aug 2017

I would not wish this on anyone, especially as this is ery close to the fate I am trying to keep my mother from. Godspeed.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
29. GG, jack, Bodhi.... You will be ok. You will make it through.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:50 AM
Aug 2017

So will she....each in his or her way....

I do not know her.. or you, really. But, I will carry each of you today, lightly, one on each shoulder...





Eliot Rosewater

(32,536 posts)
30. Ask for this
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:55 AM
Aug 2017
GENERIC NAME: PROMETHAZINE SUPPOSITORY - RECTAL (proe-METH-a-zeen)

BRAND NAME(S): Phenergan, Promethegan


guaranteed to do wonders on nausea and is a suppository

Duppers

(28,246 posts)
32. I am so sorry.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 01:18 AM
Aug 2017

I've thought of your wife's health for months but am now at a loss for words. I hope she is resting without pain now.

Hugs.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
33. I took her to emergency yesterday at 1:00 PM
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:30 AM
Aug 2017

In the emergency department she was treated with IV Dilaudid and anti-nausea medication. That helped. Then they admitted her to the hospital at 2:30 am and her care fell apart. No further pain management or anti-nauseants, with no prospect of any until after 9:00 am. Plus she contracted diarrhoea from somewhere. She ended up almost as sick as she was when she went in. She is apparently too sick for the hospital to manage effectively. Even worse, they were talking about a multi-day stay which she was not prepared to accept. So she took some of her own Dilaudid and called me to bust her out. At 6:00 am I got her home. She says if she's going to suffer she wants to do it at home where she has more freedom to act, and things happen on her schedule rather than when the institution gets around to it.

She is emphatic about not allowing herself to be put under institutional control of any sort - even something as benign as a voluntary hospital admission. If she decides to leave the world, she doesn't want anything standing in her way. I am, as always, in full agreement, and as a loving partner wholeheartedly support her in determining the course of her own life - or death.

So for the moment, life goes on.

Thank you everyone for your thoughts, suggestions and best wishes. It means a lot to have this place to come to and vent.

babylonsister

(171,599 posts)
34. My heart is hurting for you both.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 06:22 AM
Aug 2017

Any chance of getting hospice involved? They helped my mom, and can prescribe what may be needed.



The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
35. I spoke with the hospice coordinator yesterday, and I'll be talking to her again today.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 07:03 AM
Aug 2017

She understands our situation, and is extremely compassionate. However, we need a palliative care doctor to visit before they can prescribe. I'm going to start shaking the hospice tree today to see if one falls out.

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