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cannabis_flower

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:17 PM Jun 2019

Joe Biden throws own campaign into turmoil after Harris attacks his record on race


Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN

Updated 10:48 AM ET, Fri June 28, 2019

Washington (CNN)Joe Biden stumbled into a potential campaign-defining moment Thursday that pitched his effort to win the Democratic nomination onto suddenly shaky ground.

Reeling from an attack by a much younger rival, Kamala Harris, the 76-year-old delivered an unfortunate soundbite at the Democratic debate that threatens to symbolize his biggest political liability.
"My time is up," he said, meaning to cut short one of his own answers but instead drawing attention to a question that haunts his campaign: Has his generation's time come and gone?
Harris' assault was breathtaking, appeared planned ahead of time and exposed a willingness to attack she had not previously shown in a campaign that started strong but has slumbered ever since.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/politics/first-democratic-debate-night-2-analysis/index.html
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Joe Biden throws own campaign into turmoil after Harris attacks his record on race (Original Post) cannabis_flower Jun 2019 OP
Eh. I thought it was a good move underpants Jun 2019 #1
it hurt Biden, but... KayF Jun 2019 #2
One Debate DownriverDem Jun 2019 #18
Joy Behar said that this morning on The View. I wonder who said it first? Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #3
Whether his time is up has nothing to do with an exchange w/another candidate in one debate. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #4
The hyperbole surrounding this is stunning. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #5
It could be his Howard Dean moment gldstwmn Jun 2019 #9
I didn't think the hyperbole could be elevated. Well done. NT SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #10
As I said I don't think it would be a fair assessment. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #12
It's an absurd assessment. First I have heard it. NT SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #13
Mmmhmmm... gldstwmn Jun 2019 #14
He seems to have recovered. His speech right now is powerful. nolabear Jun 2019 #6
Criticized his response last night, but he's kicking ass right now on TV. Hoyt Jun 2019 #7
let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #8
"Attack"? "Assault"? "Reeling"? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #11
Hyperbole all the way around. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #17
And his campaign in turmoil ... EffieBlack Jun 2019 #22
I feel like a loner. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #23
This interaction (I will not call it an "attack")... wysimdnwyg Jun 2019 #15
nice use of perjurative words in this cnn piece nt msongs Jun 2019 #16
Let's do a hit piece murielm99 Jun 2019 #19
His time is up. nt LexVegas Jun 2019 #20
The Importance of Trust in the Absence of Recall Panacea-monger Jun 2019 #21
 

underpants

(196,200 posts)
1. Eh. I thought it was a good move
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:19 PM
Jun 2019

It didn’t even cross my mind that it could be taken that way

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KayF

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2. it hurt Biden, but...
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:20 PM
Jun 2019

but that CNN writeup is over-the-top

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DownriverDem

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18. One Debate
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jun 2019

that Obama had was pretty bad and he came back. I wish folks wouldn't focus on who they like, but who can win the Electoral College which means state by state.

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Honeycombe8

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3. Joy Behar said that this morning on The View. I wonder who said it first?
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:20 PM
Jun 2019

But it is unfortunate.

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Honeycombe8

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4. Whether his time is up has nothing to do with an exchange w/another candidate in one debate.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:21 PM
Jun 2019

I don't get the connection the OP is trying to make.

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SouthernProgressive

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5. The hyperbole surrounding this is stunning.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jun 2019

Somewhat funny to watch. The media is desperate to generate a horse race. Both Harris and Warren are strong enough to make it a horse race without their bullshit. Same thing happened in 16 with the only difference being Sanders wasn't strong enough to make it a horse race on his own. Sad to see certain factions jumping on board with the shady tactics of the MSM.

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gldstwmn

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9. It could be his Howard Dean moment
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:26 PM
Jun 2019

which would be totally unfair.

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SouthernProgressive

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10. I didn't think the hyperbole could be elevated. Well done. NT
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:27 PM
Jun 2019
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gldstwmn

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12. As I said I don't think it would be a fair assessment.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:32 PM
Jun 2019
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SouthernProgressive

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13. It's an absurd assessment. First I have heard it. NT
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:34 PM
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nolabear

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6. He seems to have recovered. His speech right now is powerful.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:23 PM
Jun 2019

Joe just needs to get out and talk. He’s saying what will make many people think. And vote.

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Hoyt

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7. Criticized his response last night, but he's kicking ass right now on TV.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jun 2019

He's righting the ship, and then some.

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EffieBlack

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11. "Attack"? "Assault"? "Reeling"?
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jun 2019

Good Lord - she asked him a question ... He gave an inadequate answer.

I missed all the attacking, assaulting, and reeling...

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SouthernProgressive

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17. Hyperbole all the way around.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jun 2019

Assault and attack that left him reeling.

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EffieBlack

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22. And his campaign in turmoil ...
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jun 2019

Wow.



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SouthernProgressive

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23. I feel like a loner.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:06 PM
Jun 2019

I think Harris did very well for herself and Biden is doing well for himself. I really like them both and am big enough to understand some hits are going to come their way. Moreso for Biden right now. They are adults. In the end the voters will have their say.

I might actually get more worked up about these things if I didn't really respect and appreciate so many in our field. We are looking good. I understand how the media views their role. I don't like it but I do get it.

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wysimdnwyg

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15. This interaction (I will not call it an "attack")...
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jun 2019

It hurt Biden, and strengthened Harris, whose biggest selling point is her perceived ability to go after Trump in the debates. This said, Biden has time to recover. Today's speech, from what I'm reading (I haven't seen it, so reading about it on the Internet is my only source), is a good start. If Biden can perform strongly in the next debate, this will all be forgotten. If he has another night like this one, I think his bid is in trouble.

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msongs

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16. nice use of perjurative words in this cnn piece nt
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jun 2019
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murielm99

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19. Let's do a hit piece
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:51 PM
Jun 2019

on the front runner.

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LexVegas

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20. His time is up. nt
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jun 2019
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Panacea-monger

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21. The Importance of Trust in the Absence of Recall
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:56 PM
Jun 2019

I would never suggest that any Democrat polling over 1% shares the otherwise ubiquitous human capacity to lie. But, hypothetically, if Biden were misrepresenting his record on busing, the absence of a national right of recall would mean that the trust deficit would be far more important to any rational voter than his failure to have been woke way back.

Reasonable people can disagree on the best way to integrate schools, but voting an honesty moderate to a four-year contract that's all guarantees and no incentives is a big ask, regardless of what his positions theoretically are at the moment. We know that Democrats never lie, but the general electorate does not, and that's something we have to prepare for.

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