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Normally going to a national convention is a once in a life time experience. I have worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to earn this trip. Too bad that sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help trump. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders by Russia to suppress the African American vote just as was done in 2016

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In 2020, the level of vitriol directed at Bernie and his supporters is shocking. And it's not from random internet trolls, it's from actual surrogates and reporters, like Chris Matthews talking about executions in central park, or comparing Bernie's campaign to the Nazis invading France.

He and Bloomberg are the only candidates who have been remotely vetted, and Bloomberg has basically collapsed, while Bernie jumped to the top of the polls. Everyone else has gotten the kid gloves treatment from the media and also from the other candidates.

Prove it.
Show us the links to him releasing his medical records after his MI.

Not hard to google.

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Sanders in October (when he said Joe Biden should release his records!)

"I think when you're running for President of the United States the American people have a right to know the condition of your health. I think that is a standard that should be applicable to all candidates."

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And the link DanTex provided proves that.

He doesn't seem to realize that those aren't medical records.

It's not something good. Very Trumpian

He said he would release his full medical records, but then backtracked after his MI.

That's fact, not fiction.

after his MI, he refused to release those medical records.
You can deny it all you want, but the fact is he backtracked after the MI.

Anyone can google Bernie's medical records.

that's a matter of record.
Deny all you want, but he did backtrack.

Saying it again and again doesn't make it true. Sorry.

Google also says you're wrong.

not his medical records.

Thank you.

He has not released his full medical records as he said he would before his MI, that says a lot.

he was trying to convince a reporter that he was TOTALLY healthy after his cardiac arrest.

Apparently since then, something changed his mind about the wisdom of "full disclosure," or "what people deserve to know."

Bernie Sanders says he won't release full medical records

Biden has released a three-page letter from a doctor. That's all, that's it, nothing more:

Three page letter: https://go.joebiden.com/page/-/CiU2iAa4Ig_ j5EQzueoad.pdf

Bernie released three pages of physician letters, as documented by DanTex.

Your issue seems to be that Bernie needs to provide more medical reports because of his heart attack when he has already provided at least as much as Biden.

Bernie proves every day that he is in good health with the relentless pace he keeps. He speaks at rallies with thousands and thousands of people--recently over 13,000 in Washington. The pace at which Bernie campaigns puts any other candidate to shame. If (and this is a big if) they could get the numbers of people to show up like Bernie does, it's doubtful they could match his pace.

Here are Biden's campaign events:
https://go.joebiden.com/page/-/CiU2iAa4Ig_ j5EQzueoad.pdf

Here are Bernie's:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/berniesanders/events/

There's no comparison. Biden's leisurely campaign events cannot equal Bernie's strenuous schedule. You want an extended report testifying to Bernie's physical health? Bernie proves his health and stamina every single day of this campaign.

Biden's medical report is incomplete and I want to see a complete cognitive workup by a neuropsychologist and a psychiatrist. The man literally does not even know where he's at: there was the embarrassing incident last summer when he thought he was in Vermont and he was in New Hampshire. Here's what he said:

He was in Keene, NH: "I love this place. Look, what’s not to like about Vermont in terms of the beauty of it? And what a neat town...everybody has been really friendly. I like Keene a lot."

Even worse, the previous week he mixed up Burlington, VT and Burlington, IA.

The list of Biden's mental confusion and brain freeze-ups could go on for pages. I want to see medical reports clarifying just what his problem is.

So to summarize:

--Bernie and Biden have released the same amount in terms of a medical report
--Bernie proves every day that he has good health and stamina by executing an intensive campaign schedule while Biden ambles to an event here and there, usually with a fraction of the people that Bernie deals with.
--Biden shows us on a regular basis that there is something wrong with his cognitive abilities. It is, therefore, Biden who needs to show supplemental medical reports.

I guess he decided those standards don't apply to him...

Something must have turned up in his records that made him decide that it would be bad for his campaign.

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with "whataboutism." Address the points I made.

Address his demand that Biden release his records, then refused to release his own after stating that "full disclosure" should be the standard for everyone...



You were talking about "mental deficiencies?"

because Biden originally promised a more extensive release of medical records. Google it and you will find several stories that say this.

So it is Biden who is the hypocrite here as he failed to live up to his promise. I think you're using this as a distraction from Biden's failure to come across. It's a common enough tactic these days. Accuse someone else of what you yourself have done.

In any event, even if that were not the case, there are so many mental failings that I do not see how Biden could ever win against Trump. These instances are on-the-air failures and they will be powerful fodder for republicans to cast doubt on Biden being able to lead the country.

on his announced assurances that he would live up to the standard that HE stated all candidates should live up to. You are attempting, and not succeeding in distracting from the gap between what Sanders said he would do, and what he did.

What you're attempting is exactly that, using Whataboutism. You can google that and find several websites that explain this.

And the implantation of two stents in a blocked artery," last October.

Bernie Sanders walks back promise to release 'comprehensive' medical records

You're not convincing anyone that those are medical records, let alone "comprehensive ones" like he stated all politicians need to produce for "full disclosure."



The White House hopeful addressed his health Thursday in Iowa ahead of his first appearance in an early voting state since suffering a heart attack earlier in the month. The 78-year-old Vermont senator has repeatedly promised to release his health records at some point, but he outlined a likely timeline in an interview with The Associated Press.

“I want to make it comprehensive,” Sanders said in explaining the delay. “The answer is I will, probably by the end of the year.”

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It's only people trying to smear Bernie that don't understand that. Or pretend not to.

to release his own "full disclosure" doesn't lend one credibility.

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doesn't make it true.

Especially when there's video of him calling on others to do so while he promised to himself...

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I think that Sanders supporters have a higher bar.

Bernie Sanders keeps medical records top secret

“People do have a right to know about the health of … someone running for president … we will make all of our medical records public.” he said.
Well, maybe not. On second thought (or perhaps third) Sanders released letters from three of his doctors, but said he will not make all his medical records public. Because, he said, “you can start releasing medical records and it never ends.”

Those aren't medical records, those are Dr.s letters saying he is fit.

For enough money, I can get a Dr. to say I'm no 74 years old.

then refused to make good.

And you are frantically copying and pasting talking points that the media is "smearing" him for reporting what he said, then that he backpedaled.

Sanders in October (when he said Joe Biden should release his records!) "I think when you're running for President of the United States the American people have a right to know the condition of your health. I think that is a standard that should be applicable to all candidates."

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He released letters from doctors and not his medical record like he said he would.

Doctors take letters very seriously, it’s not just some stationery with a stamp on it. You wouldn’t know that from the media bashing him but it’s true.

You'd think he'd be eager to show evidence that he's as healthy as he claims - if only to show up everyone else by releasing his comprehensive medical records. It sounds like something turned up in those records that would make "full disclosure" bad for the campaign. Hence the full reverse, and the testiness with the media when they hold him to his word.

Especially since he was calling for Biden to release his medical records....

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Asked what the standard should be for presidential candidates when it comes to releasing such information, Sanders replied, “I think when you’re running for President of the United States the American people have a right to know the condition of your health. I think that is a standard that should be applicable to all candidates.”

In October, however, Sanders told CNN’s Sanjay Gupta that he would be releasing his medical records related to the heart attack and the implantation of two stents in a blocked artery.

“The people do have a right to know about the health of a senator, somebody who’s running for president of the United States — full disclosure,” Sanders said, pledging to release his full medical records.

In a separate interview with ABC News, Sanders again pledged to release his full medical records “as soon as we can.”

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So, Dan, what part of that is "bashing?" The part that points out where he said one thing, then did another, and makes it embarrassing for you to keep saying he "doesn't change" and he never says one thing then does another?

That sounds a lot like my Trump supporting relatives talking about the "media bashing Trump" when they reported that he said were airports in the Revolutionary War.

"Because, he said, “you can start releasing medical records and it never ends.”

The evidence would appear to support an answer of, "NO!"
This is post truth "alternative facts" world we're dealing with?

a very important belief they have.

Direct evidence that Sanders did indeed promise something, then didn't deliver, when Sanders claims to never do that, is causing desperate attempts to redirect, and to deny the facts by saying that the media is persecuting Sanders when they report his contradictory words and actions.

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If anything, sanders supporters are even nastier than in the last cycle. The concept that a campaign that has supporters who brought a coffin to a Biden event want to complain about rude behavior amuses me

Basically proves my point.

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Not that it matters. Again, the game of blaming Bernie or Warren for what random people with no connection to the campaign do is silly. The anti-Bernie lies and smears come from established media figures like Chris Matthews, as well as surrogates like James Carville or the guy in the OP.

if we want.. or anything.. this is Democratic Underground Political Discussion Board.

..every time it doesn't go your way.
He agreed to the new rules he/his team helped craft....now he'll live by them..or lose by them

..delegates in the primaries should be the nominee.
That's not the rule though. 1700, 1810, 1899 doesn't cut it. It's 1901

The rule is 1991 delegates....so if Bernie has anything less.. he is NOT the nominee.
Dan...it's easy math and simple rules your preferred candidate agreed to.
If he doesn't have 1991 at the end of the primaries, 1st round.....it's game on at the convention.

That's got nothing to do with changing the rules.

It's up to the delegates and the supers. The question is, will they respect democracy or not.

I think they should. So does Bernie.

The Senator isn't a Democrat.....he's an Independent... so why is it important?

The rules are 1991 to win. If your guy has 1991 going into the Convention...he's the candidate. No need for round 2... No SD's(Bernie is an SD as you know) vote in round 1.
If the leader is under 1991 whatever candidate in R1....then round 2... then it gets fun.

Bernie tried to get the SD's to switch the results in '16...you know that race you don't want to re litigate.....but this time....not so much???
Can't have it both ways...there's a word I'm looking for.....hmmm.....oh I know...hypocrisy

I think they should. So does Bernie. We'll see.

Dan says we can't re litigate '16.....the crap the Senator tried then has nothing to do with now....yeah I saw the idiocy in that also

would mean having to also acknowledge an enormous flip-flop on the part of his prefered candidate, who he continually states "does not change."

Nobody else is asking for that.

....The rules. Sanders gets 1991 delegates he wins...17-18-1957....he doesn't.
Them's(yep, redneck) the rules he agreed to...as a temporary Democratic candidate.....OR there's another option.
Get out of the rules he doesn't abide by... and Win on his own...surely you must have enough support to win alone instead of pulling down Democrats that can beat the orange asswagon.

Everyone agrees we should follow the rules. The question is how are the delegates are going to carry out those rules.

They could respect the Democratic will of the voters and unite behind the candidate with the most pledged delegates. Or they could not do that and fracture the party, effectively handing Trump a second term.

pledged delegates."

Pretending not to know what the question was...

Weren't you complaining about that in this very thread?

Hasn't worked, yet, but you keep on trying.

matter of "litigating" unless you are saying it's untrue.

And his disciples, Brave, brave Sir Robin, are without compare.

I have seen no improvement in the behavior of sanders supporters and I have seen no attempt by sanders or his campaign to control such bad behavior

And it's shit like this how they do it. It's freaking mind games. Thanks for sharing your personal story here.