I think those of us in NJ should be able to have a say - our primary is in June.

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a shit about flyover Montana unless they are complaining about how we have two Senators or looking for a place to go on vacation, but I'd like to have a choice too.

You are down as a definite "No".

The only ones who haven't dropped will when they are ready to call it. Two weeks ago people were calling for Biden to drop out.



Put me down for whatever. Doesn't seem like a valuable use of time but it's your list so go for it.

It's a all in fun with a few serious undercurrents.

But I did take the pledge! I am serious about supporting whomever wins the Michigan Primary.

Bullock, Tester - jiminy h Christmas - Montana just might go blue this election . . . if we give it a chance.

about once a week to let people know that we are here, like it or not there are two Senate seats in the state and one of them can be flipped to blue with a little interest from those who bitch about how we have two Senators.

Grrr.

We flipped the 7th district after decades with Malinowski. Our county seat (I'm a democratic committee member here) is now blue (Mayor, Majority Council).

I suspect that our rural 'horse country' county has more in common with Montanan's than we do Queens.

There's a tension between the natural resource extraction industries which includes ranching and the conservationists and tourists. And a lot of it involves federally administered lands, Indian Reservations and private property which includes acreage owned by large corporations. It's a complex situation and it's all teetering on ecosystem collapse. Oh and we are also the headwaters for about 1/2 to 2/3 of the country's fresh water.

It is something people should think about when considering public lands use and longevity as stable ecosystems.

People come from eastern cities and have no idea what they are looking at when they get here. Some don't even know the difference between elk, deer and moose. They will often mistake one for the other. That is an example of what is heard many times a day when the tourists show up. I shows the disconnect when it comes to the government's role in all of this and the imperative about whom we elect.

We might be separated twins.

Assuming that Warren is still in the race, she has my vote.

So, in any case, I will put you down as a "no".

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Fine.

Just don't call for the loser of the March 10th Michigan Primary to drop out then and you will be fine in my book.

Hey, I understand it's asking a lot for people to say right NOW whether the loser of the Michigan Primary should drop out.

Something tells me though that AFTER Michigan a lot more people will be doing exactly that.

People are funny like that, so few have the courage of their convictions.

THAT is what you are deflecting away from answering.

"Win or lose Michigan doesn't matter"

Oh, but I think it will matter. A lot.


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Posters here on DU have gone on at length how important those industrial mid-west states Trump won in 2016 are in the 2020 General election.

How well a candidate does in red states like Missouri and Mississippi that we have no chance of winning in the General Election should carry less weight than how well candidates do in those Mid-West "blue wall" states so vital to beat Trump.

So, I am putting you down as a "no" then.

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If a candidate losing Michigan, but wins Ohio, PA, Wisconsin, and Minnesota... they are stronger in "midwestern states".

Picking ONE midwestern state, at the exclusion of the other midwestern states, makes no sense.

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The overall race is all that matters.

Noted.

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I will call for the loser of the March 10th Michigan Primary to drop out for the good of the party AND I will change my candidate preference to the winner.

And I will wholeheartedly support that candidate all the way thru the 2020 General election if they become the nominee.

Like I said, I have the Courage of my Convictions.

Let the process continue, so we can really see who is the choice of the electorate. I think that answer will be clear after Michigan, though.

While I just switched from Liz, I think she should drop out now. She has no path to the convention, and should join with her fellow Democrats. 20% of something is better than 100% of nothing

That's fine.

As long as people don't call for the loser to drop out after the Michigan Primary.

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Maybe Warren since she is supposedly "reassessing" her campaign. Sanders and Biden has both already said they are going to take this to the convention

how many people here on DU will call for the loser of the March 10th Michigan Primary to drop out of the race right now?

Will you be taking the pledge? Yes or No?

I was glad Pete and Amy did when they did but the candidates have poured their hearts and souls into their campaigns. I don't think I am in a position to tell any of them when to drop out

Here's the thing, I think Joe needs to discipline himself and demonstrate it to the public. He's now the front runner, let's see how he handles that. I want to see exceptionally executed interviews and public appearances.

I suspect that if Joe sweeps the March 10 states, that Bernie will likely reevaluate his campaign. But until then, or even after; the Sander's and the Biden camps need to co-pilot the landing. There's not a switch that can be flipped to win the other camp over. That's going to take time, it's going to take work. a lot of it. We need each other.

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Will you call for the losers of the march 10th Michigan Primary to drop out.

Yes or No?

Whatever delegates he is short in Michigan will be made up by the bushels in Mississippi.

However, if Bernie loses Michigan, he should drop out. He will have no path beyond it.

Neither will be dropping out. And why should they? When there are only two, one will be the winner.

That's really, really simple, isn't it. And that's where we'll be, once Elizabeth Warren withdraws, which should be today or tomorrow.

Then there will be two.

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And clear the way for the candidate that can to defeat Trump in the General election.

It's THAT simple.

So I will put you down as yet another Biden Supporter voting "NO, the loser of the March 10th Michigan Primary should not drop out."

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because he’s already behind, and falling further behind is basically the end of his campaign.

If Biden loses, he shouldn’t, because he’s ahead and will likely move further ahead with delegate gains in the other Mar 10 and Mar 17 primaries.

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I will put you down as yet another "no" vote then since you said "no" for Biden.

Pinning people to a position BEFORE the March 10th Michigan Primary is the purpose of this thread.

People equivocating or having one set of rules for Sanders and another for Biden are exactly the things I had hoped to put on record.

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You sir, are a Stable Genius.

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The rest of us will live in the real world.



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I respect peoples opinions.

I'll put you down as a "no" vote then, all things considered.

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...otherwise the standard is BY DEFINITION different for the two candidates.

If the leader loses a single state, no they shouldn't drop out.

If the trailer loses the state, yes - perhaps they should drop out - because their ability to win overall just got smaller.


Your question operates from the premise that the two candidates are in an equal position and so answerers MUST play it "both ways". That's faulty logic.


Your question is the equivalent of this analogy:

Team A is ahead by a score of 6-2 after the 4th inning against Team B. Your question is basically "whoever loses the 5th inning should drop out!"

I'm putting you down for a strained, but very self-validating shoulder.

I'm doing that for the good of the Democratic party, for God, and for my little sister.

I'll recognize your self-righteous and borderline narcissism (and your dramatic lack of any evidence at all provided for so many vague and diaphanous allegations) for future reference.





(space provided free of charge below to continue pretense you are righteous, courageous and heroic... because if not you, who else will?)

People responding have had the Courage of their Convictions.

You seem to have gone in for ad hominem attacks.

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Idaho March 10 primary
Michigan March 10 primary
Mississippi March 10 primary
Missouri March 10 primary
N. Dakota March 10 (D) party-run primary, (R) caucus Jan-March
Washington March 10 primary
Florida March 17 primary
Illinois March 17 primary
Ohio March 17 primary
Arizona March 17 primary (D), none (R)
Georgia March 24 primary
Wyoming April 4 (D) caucus, (R) caucus Feb-March
Alaska April 4 (D) party-run primary, none (R)
Hawaii April 4 (D) party-run primary, none (R)
Louisiana April 4 primary
Wisconsin April 7 primary
Connecticut April 28 primary
Delaware April 28 primary
Maryland April 28 primary
New York April 28 primary
Pennsylvania April 28 primary
Rhode Island April 28 primary
Kentucky 19-May
District of Columbia June 2 primary
Montana June 2 primary
New Jersey June 2 primary
New Mexico June 2 primary
South Dakota June 2 primary

Biden currently has 566 delegates; BS has 501, per the Associated Press:
https://www.google.com/search?q=biden+delegate+count&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS877US877&oq=biden&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j0j69i60l3j69i65.1307j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The rule is whomever reaches 1991 delegates first wins the nomination. I heard earlier on MSNBC that Sanders agreed to this rule, so let it work itself out.

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And whether the loser should drop out.

So, I take it you are actually a "No" vote then?

You don't think the losers of the Michigan Primary should drop out?

Correct me if I am wrong on that.

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Currently Joe Biden is the leader of the party.

Noted.

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Today I’m just enjoying the results of a positive campaign. The only real loser was and will be Donald Trump. Last night was an intra not inter party. Sanders is still sitting at second place and hasn’t scored over the 30 percentile range. Trump and Giuliani are trying to fix that. Patience.

I live in a state that votes in late April and I believe I am as entitled to a say as those in Michigan or any other state. Why should one state get to decide?

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Those of us who live in states that have later primaries should have a choice of candidate. It is arrogant to deny us that. We need to rethink the whole scheduling of primaries, in my view, so that they are not so spread out, but until such a time as we do, everyone should have the same right to exercise their choice. If candidates choose to drop out at any time that is their choice, but they should not be pressured to do so before the primary season has ended.

Sanders should drop out unless he wants to bern it down as he will have no way of beating Biden mathematically.

Joe Biden looks to take 3 to 4 more states on the 10th. Michigan will go to Biden's column due to he and Obama saving the Auto industry there.

I could be wrong, but Biden has the wind behind his back. Voters in states coming up have seen already what has taken place.

I think it is better for both the party and the nation if Bernie (and anyone else with a deeply held cause) to stick with it to the bitter end.

The debate and opposition of ideas will make the parties positions clearer, the final candidate stronger and more vetted, and allow the losing side to feel like it got to have its say allowing us to unite more easily afterwards.

Once the convention happens and there is an official nominee I’ll switch my support to them and leave the primary behind. But until then it is those candidates’ right to be heard.

This race isn’t over till the convention.

Unless they were running for the president of Michigan.

I would be okay with him dropping out at that point against my wishes. Now, if one candidate wins both MI and WA by significant margins, I would say yes. But overall, I favor having a choice when it's my turn to vote, which unfortunately isn't until very late -- May 19.

Personally, I think our primary season is way too long and would serve us and democracy far better by being condensed into a 1-2 month period tops.

It's like a TV cliffhanger!

It's an establishment sport with teams owned by billionaires and played by millionaires.

When Bill was President?

I recall it was something to do with feet?

this year has been full of events for which there is no precedent, so we would be wise to throw conventional wisdom out the door.

Michigan doesn't provide that signal, all it does is either puts Sanders farther behind, or give him a little new hope.

If March 17 and March 24 reenforce what we are seeing today, then Sanders should end his campaign after the March 24 results. If Sanders is fighting back with a chance of taking the nomination, then the race should continue.

Biden doesn't need to win Michigan at all. He has a lot of pro-Biden states stacked up which are delegate rich and Sanders has no chance of winning any of those - like Illinois, Mississippi, Missouri, Florida and Georgia.

Sanders HAS to win Michigan and by a huge margin to make a small dent in Biden's insurmountable lead.

So, Biden can keep going if he loses Michigan but Sanders should drop out if he loses Michigan - there is no hope for him after that.

Having said that here's a Michigan spoiler alert...

Biden - 63%
Sanders - 37%

And to be fair if either does well today and poorly on the 17th or vice versa, he should not be expected to pull out. If either does well or poorly on both, then he should withdraw.

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