Disclaimer, I liked her more than Joe for President. Thanks for this.

Great minds think alike.

I love Pete too and he can help in as many ways.

Amy doesn;t offer alot to the ticket that a Kamala Harris would, not saying she is a bad choice

With Amy we will pick up those states we need.

with both of them?

and current polling shows that it is already leaning Democratic. It is a solid blue state, no help is needed there.

and two Senators. Sounds solid blue to me.

It was very close. So yes, we do need help there and in the Midwest.

Follow the 2018 formula and we win this.

It is a blue state with only 10 electoral votes. Wouldn’t it be better to have someone who can help in a purple state with more votes like Florida?

Florida is Lucy with the football. Rethug governor. Always close. Always losing it.

The Midwest has Democratic governors outside of Ohio. They can be swayed if we run the campaign we ran on, and won, in 2018.

Amy is going to bring us the midwest moderate women we need to win.

So not exactly “Lucy and the football “

And what problems does Biden have with moderate suburban women that Klobuchar will make up for?

They will be enthusiastic to vote for the ticket if she’s on it. Because of moderate policies, views, etc.

If you put AOC on the ticket, they wouldn’t respond to her. They would run away.

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And you didn’t answer my question. Is there any evidence to suggest that Biden needs help appealing to suburban women?

As the article explains:

It’s an opinion piece and the author doesn’t cite any data to back up their opinion.

Plus experience is irrelevant. But Harris also comes from a blue state so she doesn’t help on a geographic basis either.

than Biden does already?

Amy appeals to the moderate suburban women. The women we won in 2018 and need again.

winning moderate suburban women.

like Obama did? Or in Virginia? Or North Carolina? Or Philadelphia? Or Florida?

That’s why they call it a ticket.

Clinton didn’t.

And what problem does Biden have with women?

Moderate suburban women won 2018. They like Amy.

Give me a break.

can he bring them the way Obama did?

So this is the new hurdle for Joe to clear before he can be the Nominee? "Can the candidate bring out the AA vote like Obama did?"

And BTW - Hillary got the Mothers of the Movement endorsement.

He's doing FAR better than Bernie right now on that, to the point where Bernie has written off MS, and the voters there....

Never said it was.

since the discussion is about the general not the primary.

I get it.

since you asked about Sanders when the whole thread is about beating Trump.

Tag UR it.

You’re it

Tag UR it.

the assumption that the African American electorates trend the same everywhere doomed us in 2016. Detroit and Milwaukee in particular were keys to the margin of victory, and there was clearly an enthusiasm gap among black voters in those cities in 2016 vs. 2012. The same approach that works in South Carolina and Alabama doesn't work the same in the Upper Midwest, where the potential black vote is often younger and more alienated.

I think Amy Klobuchar is an excellent senator, but her support among black voters isn't as strong even in Minnesota. These factors should be weighed in building a ticket.

Excellent analysis

when he entered the race, so alot of his AA support is contingent on that.

Biden's appeal to PoC is he is viewed as the other half of the Obama/Biden ticket.

In order to keep that appeal he must choose a 'replacement Obama', ie a younger PoC, preferably a woman.

I don't see why a repeat of history would win.

If Biden is the nominee he absolutely should pick a progressive who is either a woman or person of color.

The bigots will vote for Trump no matter what. Stop pandering to them and start paying attention to the growing progressive base in the party - that's the way to win.

They had someone moderate they could support. So your post is way off base.

Amy appeals to the Midwest voters we need. She will make a great VP.

Joe/Amy 2020.

I think she would be a great pick. She gave a hell of a speech on the Monday before super Tuesday and has done well in debates too.

Amy has performed almost zero percent with POC. The MN NAACP had called for her immediate suspension from the race. Black people voted for Joe out of faith. If he were to nominate a woman like Amy with no support in the Black community, they would see that as a betrayal. You would potentially leave a lot of Pete supporters feeling very lethargic and uninspired after Amy lied about Pete in the debates with the whole "would rather be watching cartoons" story. There is unity at the moment, but it could be shattered with the wrong pick. Amy is far too contentious to be a good VP pick.

from her prosecutor days. She did not appear to have enough black support to even carry her through to Iowa. I think she would be a decent choice, compared to other less-experienced names being floated, but I'm not sold on her over Amy as a vote-getter.

mushy middle.

I don’t think Amy brings in any voters. It should be a progressive WOC, or at least a moderate WOC. People of color are the base of our party and should be represented on the ticket.

Sarah Palin? Why the gratuitous insult? You certainly could make a case for choosing someone else for veep but Amy is highly intelligent, experienced and a very good speaker.

AND she's been very well-vetted.

Sarah but Sarah was the cause of McCains collapse and failed run. Yes, Amy is far more intelligent, but in the end, what crashed McCains race? Sarah Palin. If you pick someone with 0% of Black support you run a high risk of tanking your own campaign. That is the analogy.

who will be deterred by Amy on the ticket in November.

But there are moderate suburban women who will love her.

It’s the 2018 formula, stupid !

The Minnesota NAACP demanded that Amy drop her race because of her track record as a prosecutor and one young gentleman in particular who she would not allow him to go to his mother's funeral.

Do you really want to go through a general election having this drudged up in commercials?

POC gave Biden the springboard to Super Tuesday thanks to Jim Clyburn. Amy had almost zero Black turnout at her events in SC and left early without completing tours of a county that was set up for her because she felt it was a lost cause.

Harry Reid had to call out Amy for the way she was treating staffers when he was the Majority Leader of the Senate.

We have to be smart, put our feels away, and look at why and how a VP nod for Biden is going to affect an election. Biden's pick is going to be crucial to his general election as Joe has not committed to a second term if he were elected.

Joe has to be smart about his pick and who could carry a second term. With zero percent support from the AA community, picking Amy could tank his candidacy.

And the same tired stories about staff is bs.

The letter also characterizes Klobuchar as a boss who was “there for [staffers] after a loss in the family,” and someone who “pushed [them] to be better professionals and public servants” — two statements that contradict allegations published in the Times that Klobuchar made employees pay back money earned during their paid parental leave in certain situations, and that staffers cried “all the time” over Klobuchar’s treatment of them.

You're not paying attention. Yes, he has POC, but you don't understand the dynamics. He could blow all that goodwill by picking the wrong VP. Joe has STATED he won't commit to a second term. Why would you pick someone with 0% credibility with POC as your VP who would be running for a second term?

We cannot be short sighted about this and neither can Joe.

We have to get out of our feelings and be smart.

We need to win the 2018 electorate. That’s moderate suburban women.

Joe has not committed to a 2024 run. His VP will be lifting up the mantle. You put in a person who the NAACP and BLM are demanding she drop out as a candidate, what's it going to be like in 2024.

We have to get out of our feelings and be smart. I promise you, Trumps team is.

Amy had nothing to do with the trial.

https://www.hennepinattorney.org/news/news/2020/February/myon-burrell-statement

The context is important. This case is being politicized because it first arose when Amy Klobuchar was the Hennepin County Attorney. The case, however, involves the murder of an 11-year old girl, and the person who has been convicted twice of committing that murder. Amy Klobuchar was not the trial attorney on the case. It should not be treated like a political football. This office will continue to focus on the facts and will not let the politics of the moment influence that review of the facts.

It also should be noted that the second trial - the conviction for which Mr. Burrell is now in prison - was obtained by this office after Amy Klobuchar had left this office and with no input from her. So, any complaints should be directed to this office, have nothing to do with Sen. Klobuchar, and it is inappropriate and unfair to try to make them an issue in the current presidential race.

Take it from Pete's campaign what lies, gaslighting, and doubt does to a campaign.

Next thing is that Trump is pushing HARD for the African American community with swag shops and merchandise. If Democrats play tone deaf to the African American community, then it will be over.

Again, we have to get out of our feels and be pragmatic. Why give the Trump camp any ammunition?

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"Zero support" could in part be chalked up to that. No one seriously thinks she's an enemy to the black community over one controversial case. Any downsides she has in regard to minority communities could be more than overcome with her potential ability to help Joe draw in and keep the vast mushy middle suburban and working class white vote.

The NAACP and BLM disagree with you 100%. She's been a senator for how long? Decades? And she's not well known? No one knew Pete and was bombarded with negative stories about POC and he did better than she did.

We have to get out of our feels about this and be smart.

The context is important. This case is being politicized because it first arose when Amy Klobuchar was the Hennepin County Attorney. The case, however, involves the murder of an 11-year old girl, and the person who has been convicted twice of committing that murder. Amy Klobuchar was not the trial attorney on the case. It should not be treated like a political football. This office will continue to focus on the facts and will not let the politics of the moment influence that review of the facts.

It also should be noted that the second trial - the conviction for which Mr. Burrell is now in prison - was obtained by this office after Amy Klobuchar had left this office and with no input from her. So, any complaints should be directed to this office, have nothing to do with Sen. Klobuchar, and it is inappropriate and unfair to try to make them an issue in the current presidential race.

I'm not saying Amy is guilty.

Look at what happened to Pete.

He had 76% approval of the POC in SB. Yet, you would think by the coverage and the information that he was a down and out racist.

Biden has not committed to a second term. Do you pick someone that's known and less controversial or not known with a lot of mud that can be slung whether it's true or not. We know Trump doesn't play fair. Insisting that he should wont change the trajectory.

He still lost. Because we appealed to moderate suburban women.

Run a moderate woman on the ticket and we win. Run AOC on the ticket and we lose.

Stacy Abrams is probably the most likely VP pick at this point. She's definitely no AOC.

Doesn’t have the national experience.

You want Amy. That's your choice to feel that way. I've stated why she's not a good choice. The great thing about America, we can disagree.

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Intelligent, qualified, experienced and ready to step in are qualifications for a veep I think are extremely important for a veep choice for a 77 year old president. Amy would be a terrific choice in my opinion.

Amy only drew white people to her SC events. She placed last with POC. Take some time to understand the Black community. The same community that boosted Joe on a path to defeat Sanders and Trump.

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because she excited their base, but absolutely was not ready to actually be president, which is the first requirement of the job.

Then you claim you didn’t connect her to Palin. Come on....

Don’t hurl a bomb then not claim it.

If you can't see that I'm comparing hurting Joe's chances of winning the nomination and you want to insist I'm talking about her intelligence, that's on you.

Amy would hurt Joe Biden's ticket and that's what I'm talking about.

That’s on you.

If you can't see that Amy poses a problem for a Biden ticket I can't help you.

I'm a Pete supporter and would say the same thing about Pete.

The goal is to beat Trump. Not satisfy feelings personal feelings.

Insisting it has to be a white lady from the midwest for the women vote is disingenuous. The VP will be a person of color and a woman. It needs to be. The Democratic party almost burned to the ground and gave Sanders a win.

Geez.

I would say the same thing about him! This isn't about being emotional. It's about being logical and thinking about not just 2020 but also 2022.