This attack ad does Biden no favors. Instead, I would like to hear from Biden about how he would manage a pandemic if he were president. Biden should be talking issues.

I'm sure it won't be his only ad and he'll cover other topics besides BS' lies that need to be confronted.
But you can't put every topic into 30 seconds.

100% Agreed

Joe said he would increase them. While I wish they both were attacking tRump with more ferocity, there is still a primary race going on.

In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: "Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Sanders also voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted.

...now is that Biden voted for the AUMF (not Iraq War resolution)

This is 2020, time to worry about the problems in 2020 than complain about decades ago.

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This ad takes on Trump by pointing out how his campaign thrives on chaos. It aims high to deflect a low blow.

Regarding the pandemic, Biden has addressed this in a recent townhall or debate. He has direct experience mobilizing the government as he has done for SARS and MERS. He will take a science-based approach.

Bernie’s using Obama in an ad, he put out a misleading ad using Biden’s words out of context—Biden was commenting on Republicans, not articulating his own stance. He was using sarcasm and
Bernie spun it. If Biden did not fight back against that propagandist trash, I’d be angry.

What is Biden supposed to do, look the other way and let the lie sink into people's heads?

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thus ensuring trump for another 4 years.

Is what that seriously bogus BS ad "quoting" BO purporting to to endorse BS, then... yes.

IS scorched earth. Absolutely. Definitely. Positively. Certainly.



Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Either way they are stronger together & can't be bought!!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

Is Bernie SoArING now?

as a cheap shot, it’s him employing a scorched-earth tactic.

... let’s see how that work# out.

This is not a good issue for sanders when sanders is guilty of the exact same conduct in the real world

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That is sad

He has been talking about parring down or eliminating Social Security for 30 years. You talk about how American's don't even have $400.00 dollars to prepare for a pandemic? Well, fuck. Don't you think Social Security would go a long way to help Americans weather out a pandemic?

I will watch the debate to see what Biden has to say on this matter. So sick of the triangulation method that is more of a strangulation when it comes to helping the American people.

Please provide references.

Has to be true!

The Sanders campaign is trying to make an outright lie stick.

Same schtick!

Would be helpful if you read the other thread to see how this one ended.

between two people?

And you're not trying too hard to find the information on Biden's social security position. It is not difficult to google. I'm sure it will come up in the next debate.

It's not difficult...

I think you may have heard what you wanted to... because of this:



https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

If we keep making it an issue I am sure the subject will come up in a debate for clarification.

Sometimes an ice cream cone is just an ice cream cone. Nothing sexy about it.

Why did you reference it as some sort of support for your claim?

it too. Only after the fact did it occur to me that she was being flippant.

rather than what was said.

Really? That's your logic? I can't be a cool kid because I don't follow your interpretation of a cool kid?

I stand by what I saw and what I heard. Just because it doesn't meet your expectations, doesn't make it untrue.

“When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well,” he told the Senate in 1995. “I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’ benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government. And I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time.” (A freeze would have reduced the amount that would be paid out, cutting the program’s benefit.)

“The truth is the last election did one thing,” Biden continued. “I do not know whether it really made you guys a majority party for long. I do not know. We will find out. I know one thing it did. What it did was it made sure that there was nobody left on the left in my party who, in fact, said we do not care about moving the budget toward balance.”

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/

Please seek out facts.

I'm not sure why you're resisting what is easily found on several sites. He's been trying to freeze or cut Social Security since 1984. The point you should be pushing as a Biden supporter, if you want to be taken seriously, is that he has changed his position. But if you're going to pooh-pooh facts that can be easily researched, then I have to question whether you really want to discuss the issues, or are you gaslighting for him?

That's how it became "for thirty years" and how people "heard it on MSNBC".

Do you remember who that was?

Do you mean, he was a Centrist but his views have changed considerably over time, more to the Left? Or do you mean he started as Leftie and has become more Centrist?

I agree with the first seven points and suggest he yells it from the rafters.

The examples they provided in the article of Biden looking at situational options in the past like a temporary freeze don't reflect his current positions.

"According to NBC News, Biden's 2007 presidential campaign featured more of a centrist view on fixing Social Security"

"In 1995, then-Delaware Sen. Biden fought hard for serious federal deficit reductions and even pushed toward a balanced budget. Among the cuts Biden proposed was the idea of freezing Social Security's outlays -- i.e., no longer passing along cost-of-living adjustments."

Etc.

Endless bureaucratic red tape, paperwork and hassles. It's not only your income, but your
resources that get "means tested". If you like our messed up income tax system, you'll love
"means tested" Social Security. It will become another welfare program that Rs will go after.

And now he has enough money to actually air it on TV.

Although unnecessary. People know Joe. He will never cut SS or Medicare. Seniors have known Joe and his politics and 95% of them won't fall for Bernie's lies.

I believe in everything Donald trump hates. Anything he wants to do, I want the opposite.

No matter what clip anyone pulls from the past, my goal is to beat trump.

Again, "Hate Trump, vote for Joe" is not a positive statement about Joe.

That’s what Bernie’s dismissal will require it seems. That’s sad.

Can't believe some posters in this thread. DU's ignore feature is so sweet.

Sanders 14%.

Big blanking change!

Makes me think that Kellyanne Conway is an advisor to the Sanders campaign with her "alternative facts."

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Go Joe!

He will force Joe to develop a rapid response team to counter misleading or outright false accusations against him. Consider this the Spring Training for his newly forming War Room.

Of course, compared to what Trump and the Republicans are gonna do in the general election season Bernie is like facing a minor league AA team compared to the GOP major leagues when it comes to attacks.

I am glad that Joe is responding to there ads

it will be fun to watch Biden who's now being accused of being a Republican sellout "centrist" suddenly become a left-wing radical "socialist".

Sure hope Joe's War Room boys can switch-hit.

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This method was in effect a cut to social security. I remember when that got placed on the bargaining table. I was terrified.

Moving to chained cpi — not insisting on continuing to do it wrong, and we’re on SS. But do it with Democratic majorities so we can readjust bennies as needed should the changeover hurt recipients.