I've never smeared you with name-calling and insults. What makes you think you have the right to do that to me?

Or am I wrong?

Charming. All I can say is that I've never attacked you like that. I've only disagreed with and ridiculed candidates, political messages, pundits, spokespeople, editorialists and their crap... but I've NEVER attacked you. Not once.

I do not deserve to be called names by you.

Snark is elegant and harmless. Bullying, threatening, doxxing, stalking, swarming and other tactics that berniebros use and not okay.

It is a low form of cynicism that serves only to belittle its object. If you don't know that perhaps you shouldn't be using it.

Really its the same rule as foreign phrases.

Its called punching down.

But tell me, do all comedians use snark?

actions are way beyond snark.

I sincerely wish you do not post my Senator along side Sanders as your preferred choice. For one she left the race and I am heartbroken.

Fact is he called her a liar.

So ... it is no more myth than la cosa nostra being a myth as told by Carlo Gambino.

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On a side note, I'm guessing he meant "loss" and not "lose".

hateful, angry, or in anyway indicative of the supposed phenomena?

But .... his bias is evident

Because that's all I see in the tweet.

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Sid

So, the argument still stands. This particular author thinks that the other candidates coordinated their campaigns solely to make Sanders look like a loser on Super Tuesday.

Amirite?

Especially after the campaign just hired a senior advisor who has to almost immediately apologize for a history of highly questionable tweets.

That's a detail that analyzing twitter users isn't going to disclose. The Sanders' campaign's problem starts with the senior staff. They are clearly more antagonistic than the staff of any other candidate.

Coming from sanders surrogates....I rest my case!

Especially when she and Sanders have been considered allies for years. For her to make that public, there is zero doubt in my mind that it was a huge problem and she took it very seriously.

I do. It’s a nightmare, and it does not cut both ways, to degree or amount. I have experienced it, I have watched it. Trends are driven by hashtag campaigns that spew venom and disseminate lies. Biden supporters do it to an extent, but frankly as the article says they’re just not as organized nor as predominant.

And that’s not a good thing.

The author is trying to bury the obvious in numbers. Look at all the twitter followers Bernie has!

The author ignores the fact that a lot of the problem is at the top of the pyramid and won't show up in numbers. Sanders' senior staff and most-prominent surrogates are the ones perpetuating the stereotypes.

And they are as obnoxious and rude as their reputation. Truthfully I don't really have any opinion of Bernie except a bad one because of his supporters, the ones I know in real life.

Its not a conspiracy.

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a life time experience. I have worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to earn this trip. Too bad that sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help trump. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders by Russia to suppress the African American vote just as was done in 2016

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to pretend these things never happened.

I saw far to much of Bernie Bros in the real world at the national convention. In the real world, real campaigns get their delegates to a national convention because these delegates are official representatives of their candidate.

Bernie's staff are retweeting twitter accounts with offensive handles. Like this one.

"Why don't Democrats care that Biden has dementia?"

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such as Krystal and Saagar, Moore, Kulinski, Cenk and every other online TV chatterhead who treats Bernie's every pronouncement as gospel and people who are in the same ideological neck of the woods as threats, pretenders and traitors. Or snakes. Yeah, that's it, snakes.

Fuck them.

I have seen nastiness on all different sides of this campaign season. People fight dirty in politics. It has been going on for years. And yes, it is worse online due to the online disinhibition effect. Some people online feel free to be insulting bastards because they are anonymous. Not everyone is nasty, but the Internet tends to bring out the nastiness in many people.

I have been on jury duty quite a bit lately, it is coming from from supporters of all of the candidates.

I hope people will reign in their dark sides more and decide not to post negative comments. Who ever wins the nomination will have to unite us to defeat Trump! Let’s not make their job harder.

In the real world, the difference is pretty stark, particularly at the top of the campaigns. The problem starts with Sanders' staff, not a bunch of random twitter users, which the author conveniently ignores.

Elizabeth Warren, an ally of Sanders for years, was quite clear in calling out Sanders supporters for their behavior. She clearly thinks it's a problem or she wouldn't have been so adamant about it.

As someone noted below, if it's between some guy at Salon with a clear agenda (he is unabashedly a Sanders supporter) and Elizabeth Warren, the choice is clear.

I personally know bernie supporters who are being bernie bros. It's very negative - so negative it's totally turned me off to him and his campaign. We need a movement based on positivity. We are all tired of negativity. There's a reason he's losing and it isn't media coordination or any other conspiracy. People don't like him or his supporters or his movement.

people keep asking what bernie should do. here's a thought-
can twitter.
get your paid staff off twitter.
tell your followers to stay off twitter.
fucking do something.
step up to the moment, if ya still can.

Sometimes the process of candidate selection can get ugly, when I've mentioned that some blows from the more popular camp toward Bernie supporters in general here on DU land a bit below the belt, most often replies to this consist of:

… this is the biggest joke I've seen. I've so far supported Kamala, then Pete, and no Joe, and not once do I recall fellow supporters of these candidates acting the way that the Berners continue to. If I see one more person on Facebook or Twitter accusing every other candidate's supporters of wanting everyone to die because Bernie = M4A, I will scream.

Choices, choices.....

but everything I saw Bernie did great!

Those weren’t Twitter bots or intruders. Those were Bernie delegates. That’s pretty hard data.
Watch them on video and remember:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/jul/25/democratic-convention-marcia-fudge-booed-bernie-sanders-video

Bernie bros exist and were booing John Lewis, Elijah Cummings and Stacy Abrams

at our black leaders, huh? I remember watching it on TV. It was utterly distressing.

This can’t be allowed to happen again. And it can be accomplished. Sanders has to be told that he must instruct his delegates to behave. If they don’t, he looses his committee positions and any other privileges he might have in the Senate.

My whip was great and let us know 20 to 30 minutes in advance of these stunts. I was shocked to see the text about John Lewis being booed.

and BWAHAHA!

The other side does it too and we aren't that bad.

In reality they are acting like fucking assholes.

I counted five disruptions. The crowd was "thrilled." Joe implored them not to become a Trump rally, to let them get out without harm.

They're disgusting, and Bernie should disavow and disown them. LOUDLY.

Those disruptors suck. And, accomplish nothing.

Well, I have to admit, I just saw the myth throwing a tantrum as well.

... couldn't have been nicer.

At one point I got a little overwhelmed with the crowd (I'm a senior and 'had to remove myself from the throng - everyone parted the way for me. So polite - as all Bernie get togethers I've ever attended - in 2016 and the present campaign.

I can't imagine who these supposed nasty followers are - I guess they must be some online trolls if they even exist and aren't people from other campaigns or foreign bots.

They're quite real and they're a problem for his campaign.

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I supported him in the primaries last time- still follow him and a lot of people who are supporters on Social Media. My personal impression is there is a difference in the level of vitriol... but even if that’s overblown and just a perception problem... it feels real enough to enough people that it should have been addressed in a tangible way if the Sanders campaign was ever going to break through what appears to be their ceiling. It’s telling that a lot of us Warren supporters, who ideologically are closer to Bernie, are not exactly rushing to join his camp. The snake emojis didn’t help.

They started with the typical "how bad Joe Biden is," and the differences between him and Sanders. But then it quickly devolved into the "Biden has dementia" BS, and how bad his mental capacity had gotten (they were commenting that Joe had at one time allowed children to "inspect" his leg hair - yeah right...:grr

However, it was a comment made by one of the three before the Biden bashing that really caught my ear. Apparently, this person had a local band, and since his "spring break" had been canceled (for obvious reasons,) he decided to spend the time going from "L" station to "L" station, and "plaster" each station with stickers promoting his group. There only a few problems with this plan:

1. It's illegal (I think there is a word for this - vandal-something...)
2. Those stickers are very hard to remove.
3. This person is showing NO consideration for the CTA personnel who will have clean-up his mess.

As I was getting off the bus, I made this comment to a senior citizen who was coming off the same time:

THESE are the kind of people that believe everyone should trust their judgement?!?!?

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Other campaigns (with the exception of trump) do not threaten reporters

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