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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:48 AM Mar 2020

Biden, not Sanders, gains in popularity after Warren drops out: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Elizabeth Warren’s departure from the Democratic presidential race appears to have benefited front-runner Joe Biden more than Bernie Sanders, her liberal ally on many issues, according to a Reuters/Ipsos national opinion poll released on Monday.

The poll conducted from Friday to Monday showed that 47% of registered Democrats and independents said they would vote for Biden if their state’s nominating contests were held today, up 7 points from a similar poll that ran just before Warren suspended her campaign last Thursday.

Thirty percent said they would vote for Sanders, a senator from Vermont, unchanged from the previous poll.

The results suggested that Warren’s supporters, rather than gravitating toward Sanders, have fallen in line with Biden, who shifted the dynamics of the race with a commanding victory in the South Carolina primary, followed by wins in most of the Super Tuesday nominating contests last week.
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Biden, not Sanders, gains in popularity after Warren drops out: Reuters/Ipsos poll (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2020 OP
Funny how the Sanders people were banking on Warren supporters to jump to Bernie. honest.abe Mar 2020 #1
Calling Warren a liar on national TV didn't help. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #9
We just want to win! world wide wally Mar 2020 #2
I take it that you are a former Warren supporter. :) Sloumeau Mar 2020 #3
Actually, I was with Biden from the start. Warren was my second choice world wide wally Mar 2020 #4
Yes, I switched from Warren to Biden Tumbulu Mar 2020 #26
I was a strong Warren supporter. Now I support Biden. In 2016 I supported Bernie in tblue37 Mar 2020 #28
Warren supporters, like me, have different motivations from Sanders supporters apnu Mar 2020 #5
Yes. 100% yes Patiod Mar 2020 #25
"Joementum": An irresistible force. oasis Mar 2020 #6
um... Let's not use that term apnu Mar 2020 #8
"Joementum". Joe Biden, a true Democrat gives it a new meaning. oasis Mar 2020 #13
I prefer not to have to think of Joe Lieberman. Mickju Mar 2020 #21
Oops OnDoutside Mar 2020 #7
These are generally moderate or swing states. apnu Mar 2020 #11
He can't. He's known he was running for the last 4 years, and it's the same old Bernie patter. Here OnDoutside Mar 2020 #12
Bernie Thinks He Could Win Without Indies and More Centrist Dems Indykatie Mar 2020 #15
This strikes are the heart of his leadership. apnu Mar 2020 #16
He couldn't even get the youth vote out last week !!! They were supposed to be his rock, and he OnDoutside Mar 2020 #18
Generals always try to fight the previous war apnu Mar 2020 #17
Well said. I guess we'll find out in time when the dust settles, just exactly what the hell they OnDoutside Mar 2020 #19
I'm a Warren supporter who has joined the Biden train IronLionZion Mar 2020 #10
The Warren Voter Demographics Include Many Highly Educated Women and Academics Indykatie Mar 2020 #14
Reuters spins it as they've "fallen in line" with Biden. Hortensis Mar 2020 #20
I was accused of "smoking that Good Sh*t" when I predicted this on March 2. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #22
lol.. Mahalo for the link, SunSeeker! Cha Mar 2020 #24
Thank you, Elizabeth supporters! Cha Mar 2020 #23
Exactly DarthDem Mar 2020 #27
 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
1. Funny how the Sanders people were banking on Warren supporters to jump to Bernie.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:49 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. Calling Warren a liar on national TV didn't help.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:25 AM
Mar 2020

And then his patronizing and dismissive response to Warren confronting him... that wasn't a good-look for him.

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Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
3. I take it that you are a former Warren supporter. :)
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:11 AM
Mar 2020

Yep, it seemed like more Warren supporters jumped to Biden here on DU than to Sanders. Why do I say that? because after Warren quit, the percentage of people identifying with Biden here on DU seemed to rise more than the percentage that identified with Sanders. The ratio of Biden to Sanders supporters on DU is currently more than 2 to 1.

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world wide wally

(21,813 posts)
4. Actually, I was with Biden from the start. Warren was my second choice
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:15 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tumbulu

(6,433 posts)
26. Yes, I switched from Warren to Biden
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:11 PM
Mar 2020

I cannot really articulate my opinion of Bernie. I do blame him for Trump being in office. And so despite being progressive, it is more about character.

And then, when the African American Community spoke. I listened. And acted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tblue37

(66,035 posts)
28. I was a strong Warren supporter. Now I support Biden. In 2016 I supported Bernie in
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:17 PM
Mar 2020

the primaries, Hillary in the general.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

apnu

(8,790 posts)
5. Warren supporters, like me, have different motivations from Sanders supporters
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:21 AM
Mar 2020

We are progressive, we are feminist or allies. But we also are party people (by direct membership or association). Liz has done her time as both a progressive voice and a solid party supporter. She gets along with and has good relationships with liberals and moderates and can steer the conversation towards progress. A progress we all agree on, no matter where we fall on the political spectrum. She's the best of both worlds Democratic and Leftist Progressive.

Sanders is an outsider trying to pack the room with his people and displace us. That his progressive goals mirror Warren's is not in question. On policy we agree, but policy is only part of the game. How we get there and who we bring along with us is as important. Sanders and his people seem to not understand this. They are in the W mode of "my way or the high way". This is not how politics actually works. Its how revolutions work, its how wars work, but not democracy.

Winning is easy, leading after is harder. I simply don't think Bernie can lead. He's done nothing to convince me otherwise. I think this is why people are now flocking to Biden as the last option of leadership. They know he's moderate, but they also think they can work with him, to help steer him towards progress.

Bernie gives none of those vibes. He's uncompromising and a hard case. That has its uses, but as POTUS of the whole country? Having to work with Congress and the Courts that are not, nor ever will be, ideologically aligned with him? Nope.

Democracy works when we can compromise, when it fails its gridlock on the best of days, on the bad days, its war. Literally, war.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
25. Yes. 100% yes
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:08 PM
Mar 2020

Middle aged and older woman are the back bone of the party. Those of us who were EW supporters and who knock on doors and attend long boring committee meetings were not likely to go with "Burn It Down" Bernie.

Plus there "ok Boomer" replies on social media didn't do much to win us over either

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oasis

(51,572 posts)
6. "Joementum": An irresistible force.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:21 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

apnu

(8,790 posts)
8. um... Let's not use that term
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:23 AM
Mar 2020

It comes from Joe Lieberman and that was a disaster.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oasis

(51,572 posts)
13. "Joementum". Joe Biden, a true Democrat gives it a new meaning.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:50 AM
Mar 2020

This is the 2020 Democratic Party Primary. Not too many here would ever confuse Biden with Lieberman.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mickju

(1,811 posts)
21. I prefer not to have to think of Joe Lieberman.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:49 AM
Mar 2020

He is a repulsive creep in my opinion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

apnu

(8,790 posts)
11. These are generally moderate or swing states.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:29 AM
Mar 2020

Bernie has issues with his right flank. His "my way or the highway" hard headed approach to progressivism isn't pulling middle of the road people to him.

He can do this, if he takes the time to convince moderates that his policies solve their problems. But he's repeating 2016, that is trying to pack the Democratic room with enough of his people to win, and ignores people already in the room. This rankles everybody in the room, no wonder rank and file Democrats are sprinting to Joe right now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(20,646 posts)
12. He can't. He's known he was running for the last 4 years, and it's the same old Bernie patter. Here
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:39 AM
Mar 2020

we are at Half Past March, and he's done nothing to appeal to Moderate Dems, Independents, moderate anti-Trump Republicans and Black voters. Fail to prepare, Prepare to Fail.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indykatie

(3,852 posts)
15. Bernie Thinks He Could Win Without Indies and More Centrist Dems
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:09 AM
Mar 2020

He never had a strategy to attract anyone but those on the far left. In fact his 30% would have been enough to get to the convention with the most delegates had the field remained crowded through the March Primaries. It's why his campaign is so pissed that Amy, Mike and Pete dropped out before Super Tuesday. He didn't game plan that as a possibility. Now that he has gone on record saying the candidate with the most delegates should get the nomination he has no basis for a fight at the convention.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

apnu

(8,790 posts)
16. This strikes are the heart of his leadership.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:38 AM
Mar 2020

We Democrats know this is a coalition, and that's the only reason any of this works right now. Everything you said is excellent and accurate analysis of reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(20,646 posts)
18. He couldn't even get the youth vote out last week !!! They were supposed to be his rock, and he
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:56 AM
Mar 2020

couldn't even manage that. You're right, he did nothing to attract a broader coalition. He's either a shocking strategist, surrounded by shocking strategists, or this wasn't a campaign that was meant to win, perhaps even a campaign to split the Democratic Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

apnu

(8,790 posts)
17. Generals always try to fight the previous war
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:42 AM
Mar 2020

This is Bernie now. He fought his fight in 2016, came up short, and here he is with the exact same plan. The conflict is different, the ground is different, his tactics are out dated, and didn't work the first time.

To do any of this you have to show some tactical agility, which Bernie lacks. It's great being an independent hard case, that has its uses, but leading the American melting pot? His hard core 'revolution' is doing what most revolutions do, generate more enemies than allies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(20,646 posts)
19. Well said. I guess we'll find out in time when the dust settles, just exactly what the hell they
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:59 AM
Mar 2020

thought they were doing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

IronLionZion

(46,876 posts)
10. I'm a Warren supporter who has joined the Biden train
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:27 AM
Mar 2020

I bet there's a lot that Bernie's people were banking on that just isn't so, like having congress pass Medicare for all. It'll be hard enough to get votes for Biden's public option.

Pandemic is the main reason for me. In crisis, I want a battle hardened experienced leader even if he makes gaffes and is forgetful. He's got Obama's seal of approval.

And the worst of Bernie's bros are just plain deplorable and I'm tired of the excuses for their behavior.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Indykatie

(3,852 posts)
14. The Warren Voter Demographics Include Many Highly Educated Women and Academics
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:56 AM
Mar 2020

There was no way these voters were going to gravitate to Bernie. It was either folly or stupidity that had some people adding Warren's votes together with Bernie's votes to make the case that the total represented what the race would look like if Warren dropped out of the race. It now appears that a majority of Warren's voters moved to Biden after she left the race. Perhaps this is the election that will help those on the far left understand that the majority of the country aren't aligned with them. They will continue to whine and b*tch about the "establishment". That's part of the reason Bernie can expand his base of support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Reuters spins it as they've "fallen in line" with Biden.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:21 AM
Mar 2020

If anyone's pushing them, it's Sanders.

Just noted in Politico

Sanders doesn’t plan to limit rallies amid coronavirus outbreak. ... The Vermont senator’s aides in recent days have emphasized the length and frequency of his campaign events compared to Biden's, but Sanders batted away a question about whether his Democratic opponent is unable to handle the rigors of the campaign.

“No, no,” he said. “What we’re talking about is my schedule. … Joe Biden is a friend of mine, and Joe and I have disagreements on the issues. I do not make personal attacks on Joe.”


To the last. Obviously his viciously dirty attacks have been backfiring, and those of Senator Warren's voters who were drawn by her great can-do positivism are turning to Biden.

As for the main epidemic theme, Trump says he won't curtail rallies but for the first time has none scheduled. Sanders and Biden are continuing to campaign publicly at the height of the primary battle, consulting with "public health officials" where they're going, etc.
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SunSeeker

(53,507 posts)
22. I was accused of "smoking that Good Sh*t" when I predicted this on March 2.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 12:10 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Cha

(304,721 posts)
24. lol.. Mahalo for the link, SunSeeker!
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 04:18 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(304,721 posts)
23. Thank you, Elizabeth supporters!
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 04:13 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DarthDem

(5,351 posts)
27. Exactly
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:16 PM
Mar 2020

Thank you, supporters of Sen. Warren!

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