The belief that their revolution is so wonderful that everybody needs it.

Any pointing out of deficiencies in their vision (either the goal or the means by which is will supposedly be achieved) cannot be real. No, it has to be an attack by nefarious villains, who must be defeated at any cost.

This black and white thinking is why revolutions so often lead to violence.

YEs, it existed, lol. In nearly every group I've been in, and that numbers in the high hundred by now, there has been a progression from friendly to polarized and self-destructed. Someone should do a study on that behavior

when he renegged on producing his medical records after stating he would. Keeping promises is a good thing breaking them not so much.

Now I'm trying to remember why.

Now he will have money to continue his campaign but he will have no chance at
the nomination.

AS I said elsewhere, it's amazing how easily people are radicalized over the internet.

A good friend of mine, a business owner and not exactly poor, has gone all-in and while more reasonable than most, seems more like he's in the midst of a mid-life crisis than anything else (so bad, his wife divorced him not long ago). Another, a history professor, who teaches black history of all things, seems beside herself that blacks didn't all jump for Sanders. She tries really hard to pick her words carefully, but one can read the message loud and clear. It's very strange, but makes me understand how groups like ISIS can grab up disaffected western kids so easily and talk them into atrocities.

Good chance he will lose Washington too.

but he lost the primary. Yes we did vote in a primary that Hillary won. We eliminated the caucuses, thankfully.

I suspect Biden will get the lions share of the delegates from Washington.

in the minds of voters. For several reasons.

For one, policy prescriptions touted by candidates never materialize (if they materialize at all) in the same form once a candidate is elected; people are looking for general outlooks and alignments on issues rather than specific proposals, which they mostly don't read or understand anyway.

Second, we've seen what poor character in the White House actually looks like now. Hillary Clinton warned that Trump was "temperamentally unfit" for office in 2016, but few believed or cared. Now we do.

Finally, leaders can't lead if they don't have the proper character and temperament. We're seeing it play out in the Sanders campaign right now. (Actually, saw it in 2016, but few believed it or cared.)

Character has always been at the top of my list for candidate assessment. Today, it is more critical than ever.

One of my Sanders supporting friends posted a meme about how the media overhyping the corona virus must be hiding some shenanigans in the primary.

I usually try to stay out of it but I couldn't stand by and let that bullshit stand. It was undermining both the legitimacy of the election AND the importance of the CV virus.

I told her to get a grip because a pandemic that could kill millions might actually be newsworthy.

Joe Biden, who "obviously has dementia" can nevertheless orchestrate this corona epidemic to suppress primary votes.

A brilliant idiot.

I don't consider myself a Bernie groupie, but I do believe that he's closer to Elizabeth Warren's overall platform. It might not require a revolution, but we do need dynamic change.

But I'm not here to convert anyone, but to make this important point: We all have hot buttons. Mine is the way Biden supporters claim that a win for Biden means that the movement is toward moderation and away from a revolution. I'm here to say, no it's not. A win for Biden means that we all want to beat Trump. Any other interpretation is counter-productive to our goal for unity.

And have only posted positive things about Liz, while she was running. I agree massive change is required. A win for either candidate means we want to beat Trump.

It just distresses me that these folks can't separate themselves from the noise.

I feel much safer talking here, as almost everyone is of fair mind. I get being passionate, but there is a line in the sand, beyond which is, frankly, craziness. It's amazing how easily radicalized people are over the internet

The moderation system, for all the flak that it gets, does a solid job of keeping the worst of it at bay, in my opinion.

Some would prefer a free-for-all and claim the system turns DU into an echo chamber, but I appreciate a place that is different from social media, different from the comments sections of newspapers and websites, and generally much more tolerable than just about anywhere else. The worst of the nuttiness accomplishes nothing and even if the system is sometimes a bit overzealous, it still allows for an exchange of ideas without the inevitable downward spiral into absurdity that every other site seems to produce.

I really wish more social media used some sort of flag/voting system like exists here to reduce the worst of the crap

Folks told me I was wrong. Surely people learned their lesson in 2016.

NOPE.

I just hope that Sanders is crushed tonight and we can put this crap behind us as quickly as possible.

Those traits of the BS followers you described aren't those of progressives. It's literally in the name, progressives aim for progress in various fields for the sake of improving the conditions of the people. They don't throw away any kind of improvement if they didn't get exactly what they wanted. They are open to the arguments of others and willing to accept better solutions. None of that describes BS.

There was another thread here about an article by a BS follower and it was so incredibly bitter and ugly, lashing out at all the Dems. And something like that is published on the eve of an important election day. Irrational behavior, the need to vent your frustration and engage in vindictiveness take priority instead of trying to persuade new voters.

You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.

They tend to be as obnoxious and willfully blind as Trump supporters. So annoying and counterproductive.

concerns me is Sanders backers will stay home in November if he is not the nominee or they vote for Trump. No matter what I will vote for the Democratic nominee.

and will vote. Some won't. A few never actually vote, nor intended to, but like stirring shit. (Very low percentage, but these are likely the ones causing the most trouble for everyone)

I believe there are alot of rational, decent people out there who don't give a rat's ass about what label on them, as long as the guy is also a rational, decent guy. I wish Nixon hadn't soured the phrase "Silent Majority", but the reality ism all the militants online (and that includes all of us, btw), constitutes a fraction of the real voting population.

I'll be there and those of my friends who also support Sanders would not dream of doing anything other than enthusiastically supporting the nominee, regardless of whether it is Biden or not. Stakes are way, way, way too high. I've voted for Democrats at every level 100% of the votes I have ever cast and will not be discontinuing that trend.

Vote blue, folks

with Sanders voters also. I think the percentage who didn’t vote for Clinton will be lower this time with Biden. People now know how much of a danger Trump is.

Two of my closest friends are Sanders supporters - we are fellow activists and progressives. Interestingly, they were both with me on supporting Warren, but will not support Biden.

We have agreed not to talk politics until the primary is over now Liz dropped out.

Fortunately they are of the mind that reasonable people can disagree.

Other friends of mine, not so much.

1) actually work in the Democratic Party (on a local level) ???
2) do anything beyond their "political hobbyism" as author/professor Eitan Hersh would say
in his book Politics Is For Power ???

Odds are, they don't. Little wonder people won't vote for their candidate.

Their approach to politics and elections is dumping a truckload of sugar in the ocean and expecting syrup in return.

They'd do a lot better by sweetening the cup in their own communities first. If they really want to "take over" the Democratic Party, they might start by actually being IN the Democratic Party on a local level, and become district leaders/precinct captains.

1 - Yes, one ran for office in SoCal and lost, but inspired and helped 4 others of his group get elected. He was much older, and I suspect a (ironically) victim of "OK, Boomer-ism". And others are working for their campaigns in various capacities. One of whom was a delegate for HRC at the last convention. It should be noted, he didn't go all negative, he took it in stride and starting working on 2018. The Sanders friends are the ones having the hardest time dealing with all this, even though the majority have had their first choice knocked out.

2 - As I note above, several do. I've met several in our community who have put on events, and/or are local officials. But, obviously not all choose to get involved, and many just like to throw shit out there. I have not done enough this campaign beyond spending way more than I ever have on campaigns, but worked to help Obama win in Virginia in 2008. I now live in a liberal enclave in Atlanta

And many are not "friends", these are people, real friends, in cases, I've known for years, not just online, and are otherwise good people. When all the BS is over, they will likely resume being normal ... after a while.

But beyond that, I utterly agree with you. They need to be learning how to form teams, how to communicate effectively, and how to negotiate. All those things Sanders is poor at. While still pretty erratic at times, AOC seems to be cut from a better cloth, I hope as she matures into office, others follow her lead.

Never changing course except to move further right, never compromising their values no matter how twisted. We can’t stay united on the basic issue of healthcare for all Americans. Seems that should be a winner.. gotta wonder why we’ve lost on it..

my political beliefs & what I think is best for the country. I choose them, I don't fall in love with them, plan to marry them, don't think they are God or perfect. There seems to be a lot of supporters of both candidates who are rabid about their pick or no one else. I can't get that excited about it & won't blame communists, or the DNC or anyone else if my pick doesn't win. It is what is is, lets not get all up in peoples faces over it.

I respect anyone for picking whoever they like on his or her merits. But trying to make one's own candidate look better by making others look bad, doesn't work for me, no matter who does it. Note I was for Liz, but haven't started trashing all my FB friends because she withdrew.

Personally, I'd prefer Senate Majority Leader, or Commerce, so she can kick some ass. lol

Her takedown of Bloomberg was classic.

My first choice almost never wins, and I’ve been voting since the 80s. I just switch to the next closest candidate who combines my political preference with some level of demonstrated competence and move on.

But I'll add I agree with most of what you said.

That's why it's hard to watch. Not really fun to see teammates and allies bang their against the wall

Instead, when they post against Biden, I post this in response:

The real ones will come around sooner or later. Don't waste time trying to convince the true believers. Instead, focus on all the good you can do in the meantime. Be there for your true friends if and when you can. The rest will sort itself.

Nah, they'll either come around or they won't

After tonight it will be really obvious that Biden will be our nominee.

I can’t wait because then people here will quit wringing their hands about Bernie and his people. All you guys are doing is that your going to make them so mad they won’t vote at all or worse. It’s not just the Bernie Bro’s that are stirring up resentment.

The Russians/ Republicans don’t even need bots. We’re doing it to ourselves.

except that this will pale in comparison to what Trump's puppeteers will be engineering from the wings.

Vote for the candidate most likely to defeat the opposition in the general. The best candidate remaining is Joe Biden - he will kick the orange snot-rag from here until tomorrow. If we can't come together to vote out the worst president in the history of this country, we really don't deserve the opportunity we have been given. Get out the vote, please do not squander this opportunity, we may not get another.

Just 3 weeks ago Sanders was flying high and Biden was nearly left for dead. The turnaround has been so extreme and rapid that Im sure its difficult for many Sanders supporters to deal with it. Many probably were convinced Sanders was going to win this... now in just a couple of weeks that has all completely flipped.

most of the hurt feelings will pass by the time of the election. That’s just my gut feeling.

If he concedes and calls for unity, it will be over. If he goes into rage and says he will fight till the end, we'll have issues.

A lot of them didn’t. Maybe they felt betrayed by other Democrats acting like the enemy.

"The Voice of the People", and it turned out quite different than they expected it would be

My heart aches.

We're all supposed to be on the same team

Especially since I worked on his campaign last time. This time Warren. I pretty much don’t post on things in FB unless it’s neutral like about Trump.

In between campaigning these are really cool people that care about the environment and want to help people.