Democratic Primaries
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I didn't lose many friendships after the 2016 election. My circle of friends doesn't include many conservatives, and the conservatives I count as friends are generally of the more rational variety who have no use for Trump.
But I seem to be losing friendships over this year's primary.
Many of my friends like and support Bernie Sanders. That's not usually a problem, but a handful have gone from Sanders supporter to Sanders cult follower. They've accused me on Facebook of blindness and stupidity for not seeing things exactly as they see them, of being a DNC operative, and of not being a True Progressive.
I'm very progressive. But I'm also a realist.
When, during an argument, I pointed out that equating Biden with Trump is like saying that because Mars and Pluto are both further from the sun than you, they're in the same orbit. The person I was arguing with said a comparison between Hitler and Francisco Franco would be more accurate. I stopped the argument at that point; there's no point holding a discussion with such a person.
I've been voting in presidential elections since 1988. I've never encountered anything like this. The whole "my candidate or no candidate" attitude strikes me as unhealthy.
Anyone else experiencing this?
Added on edit - this isn't happening to me very often, but that it's happening at all is disturbing enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)Must be just you..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I've had Bernie people deleting me on Facebook for supporting Biden and insisting he's basically "blue Trump."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)People deleting you from Facebook...do you know people in America actually die of completely manageable diseases due to lack of access to healthcare? Democrats could have fixed that long ago, but here we are..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tritsofme
(18,523 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)Fucking medicine. Maybe youre just on a whole different level.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Turin_C3PO
(15,889 posts)The lack of affordable healthcare coverage is a scandal, not a joke.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)and so is this constant implication that every other candidate but Bernie's supporters want people to die because we're somehow not for universal health care. It's really getting old and it warrants a little snark.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandiFan1290
(6,403 posts)Glad it's gone
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)
and now you move the goalpost to justify his crazy followers when someone else says they're doing it too.
Keep on moving the goalpost. Just don't think the rest of us don't notice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(64,334 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(49,724 posts)and I've never seen anything like it either. I think some of the madness of the past few years is spreading.
One woman said that a good friend of 15 years was accusing her non Bernie supporting friends of being DINOs and even Trump supporters. It has taken on a very cult-like feel to it and it is extremely disturbing.
I'm avoiding discussing the primaries with my Bernie supporting friends, though one is now on board for Biden. I can't wait for this to be over and hopefully sanity will return to the Democratic party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)Its a winning policy that we should have delivered. Its the sanest argument in America..Medicare for all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(49,724 posts)with Medicaid expansion would bring healthcare to everyone. If private insurance companies can't compete, they will die off and we will have single-payer. Meanwhile, with a public option, Medicaid, and Medicare, the government can set limits to what hospitals and doctors can charge for services. Hopefully, the same will finally be true for drug companies as well. If we can win back the senate, we can finally get legislation through to control drug prices. We need solid majorities in both houses.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)Couldnt get it done..a public option wasnt moderate enough, when, in truth, it would have been wildly popular.. We didnt have the courage to fight for it. Gave the riches in a sell out to the insurance corporations. Shame on us.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(27,255 posts)Just sixty votes, giving each senator a veto. The public option was included in the House version but Joe Lieberman and a few others wouldn't vote for it in the Senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(49,724 posts)and at least two Blue Dog Dems voted against the public option. We need a bigger majority and for longer than two years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)And brought a whole bunch of Dems with him. They needed to seize the moment and push forward for a public option. I believe Obama had the popularity to get it done, but the fight for it just wasnt there, but what was there was plenty of $$$$ from the insurance corporations.
The Medicaid expansion was great but easily shot down by the SC. Old news, I know, but lack of good healthcare is a scandal in America and always has been.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(49,724 posts)with a lot of Democrats and by the mid-terms, he lost a lot of his popularity within his own party. Some of that was because the ACA didn't go far enough (not Obama's fault) and some people were still resistant to government run insurance and the individual mandate. It was a really hard sell and it took a lot of guts for Obama to keep pushing it.
I remember it got so bad that many Democratic members of congress didn't even want Obama to come to their states and campaign for them. Seems really strange today, being he is one of the most popular leaders in the world and certainly the most popular Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)Thats why it was unpopular. The parts people liked were the Democratic additions. A public option would have saved it. Weve got to learn to fight for what is right.
Of course Ill vote for Biden because 4 more years of trump would be the end of us all, but Ive pretty much given up ever seeing a fair and just healthcare system in my lifetime. Im a liberal past my time..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(49,724 posts)We are so far behind other developed democracies. I think we've reached a point where people will not settle for the same old crap. They just can't afford to.
Did you know that as Vice President, Joe was going to sell his house to pay for his son's cancer treatment? If the Vice President's son can't afford his hospital bills, who can?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(49,724 posts)If not for us, for our children and grandchildren!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)To better days indeed...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(49,724 posts)They are my primary concern these days!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)And twins to boot. What fun! My youngest turns 13 this summer. They grow up so fast.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatSeg
(49,724 posts)I wish I'd had grandchildren when I was younger, so I could enjoy them longer, but they were worth the wait, plus twins was a bonus. I live in an in-law apartment so I see them often. My apartment looks like another playroom!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mountain grammy
(27,273 posts)How cool.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(34,644 posts)Lots and lots of twitter posts about how people have lost friends.
JUST IMHO
It says a lot about a movement/cult that has no room for anyone but one of their own. This is not who we are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(15,889 posts)are pretty rational. They include my mom, who is a loyal Democrat. So, in total, I know seven of his fans and theyre happy to get behind Biden when the time comes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(38,516 posts)to learn, like adults do after they lose at one stage, to switch gears and go for the party package in the next stage.
First ask them to prove they've registered to vote. If they haven't, then you can see more clearly who they are. Many "cultist" candidate followers just want to extol the rightness of their candidate but don't actually take the trouble to vote, for whatever excuse; imo, people can still vote while they struggle; they should see voting as part of their struggle.
The way I see it, the General Elections separates those who can move forward, from those stuck in their rightness. It separates the adults from the grownups.
imo
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lulu KC
(4,193 posts)and don't include any politics on Facebook, where I do have some Bernie supporting friends. (And very conservative relatives)
The thing that really seems to separate those who are from those who are not from the people I know personally is a grasp of the seriousness of 2016 Russian interference, and all the repercussions since then--from Mueller through impeachment right up until the Trump talking points being used by supporters of Bernie today. Right now.
They still seem to think that corporate interests are our biggest problem. I only wish they still were. Those were the good old days.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(18,148 posts)The Sanders supporters I know this year that are nutz - a small percentage of the Sanders supporters I know - aren't close friends and I just don't get into discussions like that, as I already know how it ends.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)But first, write a post that anyone who doesn't respect my politics is not a true friend and I warn you that I will unfriend you if you try to give me a guilt trip for not agreeing with you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(64,334 posts)I think it's actually a little better this time around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)by telling them she voted for Sanders just to avoid the arguments.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Freedomofspeech
(4,378 posts)they are totally brainwashed....I just do not get it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AlexSFCA
(6,270 posts)we had a couple that we learned were supporting trump. Immediately cut all ties after the election night. We have friends who are Sanders supporters but we dont talk much politics with them, they are far more reasonable anyway but it annoys me that they dont like my role model, Hillary. They say something about Third Way, I didnt even know it was a thing. Hillary is one of the most progressive democrats weve ever had.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
It's upsetting, I won't get into the details.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)one learns how to dodge the fruitless political argument. My advice is, don't engage. Talk about your kids, your pets, your favorite sports team, the Oscars, local restaurants, your favorite new book. It's difficult, especially if you're active on social media, but "avoid" is the only option.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HeartachesNhangovers
(832 posts)which means that politics isn't the first topic (or the tenth) that comes to mind when I'm interacting with other people. There are just so many more interesting things to talk about. I don't know how most people I know vote, or even what party (if any) they belong to. This year doesn't seem any different.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided