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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

tman

(1,139 posts)
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:47 PM Mar 2020

Party leaders shouldn't be using words like "Shut down this primary"

I was with Biden from the start but these words by Clyburn just play into the narrative the "the party" is in control.

You can make the same point without gifting your opponents fresh talking points and thereby showing a little humility and respect to the voters we'll need to defeat the sack of shit currently in the white house.

Just sayin'

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Party leaders shouldn't be using words like "Shut down this primary" (Original Post) tman Mar 2020 OP
Agree blm Mar 2020 #1
I thought the same thing SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #2
Agreed. TomSlick Mar 2020 #5
You know, we're all hoping that, though. Or at least I am - PatrickforO Mar 2020 #3
It's a bad look, especially when you should be aware the candidate losing is ready to pack it in RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #4
Clyburn was just following Bluewater's lead. squirecam Mar 2020 #6
Rep Clyburn isn't the only one. James Carville just said it again earlier on MSNBC, and many others onetexan Mar 2020 #7
I think the idea is that people in states who haven't voted yet should have the right to cast their totodeinhere Mar 2020 #13
When its this obvious theres really no need onetexan Mar 2020 #14
No, there is a need. Everyone should have a chance to vote. totodeinhere Mar 2020 #15
No one is preventing anyone from voting. No one is guaranteed their candidate will ehrnst Mar 2020 #29
they can vote for whomever they want stopdiggin Mar 2020 #16
I didn't like that the party leaders said it it looked like Biden was losing steam, Meadowoak Mar 2020 #8
It was and they did. nt sheshe2 Mar 2020 #9
just so. (nt) stopdiggin Mar 2020 #17
The major factors in determining voter turnout levels are age, income, and level of education. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #21
So you don't think that the voters actually chose Biden, but that the party leaders "steered" them ehrnst Mar 2020 #33
I might agree if there was no prior history. boston bean Mar 2020 #10
I just hope in our desire to wrap things up TDale313 Mar 2020 #11
Joe was the frontrunner for long time before voting began. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #22
He might have said it out of concern about the impact of Blue_true Mar 2020 #12
Agreed ibegurpard Mar 2020 #18
I read BS was going to suspend his campaign.. so Cha Mar 2020 #19
I think this is when the campaign's should focus on uniting and winning in November. herding cats Mar 2020 #20
Yep ibegurpard Mar 2020 #23
Yes it is time, but you know that as long as the primary goes on the attacks will continue. Squinch Mar 2020 #27
I sure have mixed feelings about this. But you comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #24
I agree with Clyburn Sunsky Mar 2020 #25
We have one job to do in this election. All of us. Together. We all Squinch Mar 2020 #26
Carville Needs to Shut the F up. Indykatie Mar 2020 #28
I think that sort of messaging pinkstarburst Mar 2020 #30
Give Sanders a little time. Heck, he was the 'frontrunner' just 11 days ago and pampango Mar 2020 #31
At it's worst, it's merely irrelevant for the fundamental reason it won't happen. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #32
 

SCantiGOP

(14,238 posts)
2. I thought the same thing
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:50 PM
Mar 2020

I understand what Rep Clyburn was saying, but if my state hasn’t voted yet, don’t tell me you are going to shut the process down. That is up to the candidates and the voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatrickforO

(15,109 posts)
3. You know, we're all hoping that, though. Or at least I am -
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:51 PM
Mar 2020

that Biden will win so decisively that he can start campaigning against Trump.

We've got to get rid of Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
4. It's a bad look, especially when you should be aware the candidate losing is ready to pack it in
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:51 PM
Mar 2020

Bad politics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
6. Clyburn was just following Bluewater's lead.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:52 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,896 posts)
7. Rep Clyburn isn't the only one. James Carville just said it again earlier on MSNBC, and many others
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:56 PM
Mar 2020

This is about party unity to defeat the Idiot. If the math is insurmountable what good is it to continue, making it unnecessarily more difficult for Biden to have to fight both fronts - primarying and strategizing to win the GE. It costs time, money and resources to run campaigns. Let Biden focus solely on the endgame now that he's the prohibitive nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,306 posts)
13. I think the idea is that people in states who haven't voted yet should have the right to cast their
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:51 PM
Mar 2020

vote regardless of the fact that the ultimate result is a foregone conclusion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,896 posts)
14. When its this obvious theres really no need
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:54 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,306 posts)
15. No, there is a need. Everyone should have a chance to vote.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:58 PM
Mar 2020

That is what our representative democracy should be about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. No one is preventing anyone from voting. No one is guaranteed their candidate will
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:25 AM
Mar 2020

be on the ticket by the time your primary comes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopdiggin

(12,821 posts)
16. they can vote for whomever they want
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:16 PM
Mar 2020

"regardless of the fact that the ultimate result ..."
Primaries will still take place.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Meadowoak

(6,216 posts)
8. I didn't like that the party leaders said it it looked like Biden was losing steam,
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:58 PM
Mar 2020

(paraphrasing) that they would steer it back to him. I think that should be left up to the voters, no wonder half of our country doesn't bother to vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(87,476 posts)
9. It was and they did. nt
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:02 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
21. The major factors in determining voter turnout levels are age, income, and level of education.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:34 PM
Mar 2020

Not words spoken by politicians.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
33. So you don't think that the voters actually chose Biden, but that the party leaders "steered" them
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:56 AM
Mar 2020

to vote for Biden, as if they didn't have free will?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boston bean

(36,491 posts)
10. I might agree if there was no prior history.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:02 PM
Mar 2020

We don’t have time to screw around this year.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
11. I just hope in our desire to wrap things up
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:02 PM
Mar 2020

We’ve made a wise choice. It’s been a bit of whiplash from “this thing’s wide open” to “this things over” I think it essentially is... but Joe was pretty under the radar until, like, a week and a half ago? And yeah, people know him (mostly for being Obama’s VP) but he’s about to go under the microscope big time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
22. Joe was the frontrunner for long time before voting began.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:43 PM
Mar 2020

He suffered the slings and arrows inherent to that position. I doubt there's anything new to throw at him. Just more, a lot more, of the same.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. He might have said it out of concern about the impact of
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:49 PM
Mar 2020

COVID-19 and it's dangers in large gatherings. But he should have made that clear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ibegurpard

(16,856 posts)
18. Agreed
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:19 PM
Mar 2020

It just feeds into the persecution and grievance narrative so many Sanders supporters claim

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(305,401 posts)
19. I read BS was going to suspend his campaign.. so
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:19 PM
Mar 2020

if that's true.. there would be no need for a debate for one thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

herding cats

(19,612 posts)
20. I think this is when the campaign's should focus on uniting and winning in November.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:33 PM
Mar 2020

Which doesn't mean ending anything just yet. It's about being adults and focusing on the ultimate end goal.

Seriously, next Tuesday is more than soon enough for these final decisions. It's important to let people accept where things are with dignity. We're all human beings here.

Right now there needs to be a pivot in messaging. No more attacks, there's zero to be gained by such and much to be lost by damaging our candidate. That's all that needs to change.

Joe showed how that's done tonight. Let's all follow his lead. Also, ignore the bots on social media. Being vile is literally what they get paid to do.

Let's focus on our blue wave in November!


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ibegurpard

(16,856 posts)
23. Yep
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:04 AM
Mar 2020

Biden's got momentum and it's happening organically. Anyone who continues with now pointless attacks (both on Biden and Sanders and their supporters) has an agenda that isn't focused on the goal of winning in November. People like that can and should be shut down and it can be done without tarrring entire groups of people for what they say and do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Squinch

(52,739 posts)
27. Yes it is time, but you know that as long as the primary goes on the attacks will continue.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 04:33 AM
Mar 2020

That's why Clyburn is right.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,467 posts)
24. I sure have mixed feelings about this. But you
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:50 AM
Mar 2020

might be right.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sunsky

(1,876 posts)
25. I agree with Clyburn
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:02 AM
Mar 2020

Time to unite and focus on beating Trump.
My primary (FL) is next week and even though I've early voted, I have no issue with the primary coming to an end. TrumPutin is banking on division within our party. Bernie will earn my respect and will show that he has learned from the 2016 primary debacle, if he unites early behind the Democratic electorate's clear choice. However I don't think he will.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,739 posts)
26. We have one job to do in this election. All of us. Together. We all
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 04:30 AM
Mar 2020

need to get over our feelings and get that job done.

Bernie's followers are no different from any of the rest of us who backed other candidates. We have all had heartbreaks.

But so what? We all quickly pivoted in order to get our one job done. It's time for the Bernie people to do the same.

No one wrung their hands over our feelings, and we really don't have time to wring our hands over the feelings of the Bernie people.

We need to all grow up, pull together and get Filthy Donnie out of office.

I agree with Clyburn. Time to pivot to the general election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Indykatie

(3,853 posts)
28. Carville Needs to Shut the F up.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 05:26 AM
Mar 2020

Why call for Bernie to drop out when there's another primary next Tuesday where he is also expected to do poorly? He needs to have that opportunity or his supporters will claim he could have caught Biden if he hadn't drop out so fast. Next Tuesday Florida and AZ will put it away definitely for Biden so why rush to call for Bernie to drop out before then.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pinkstarburst

(1,548 posts)
30. I think that sort of messaging
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:39 AM
Mar 2020

is really going to harm us in the general by alienating voters who are not Biden supporters. Look, I know everyone wants to pressure people to "vote blue no matter who" but the reality is there are voters out there who are frustrated that the issues they care about are being addressed by certain candidates and not by others. The last thing we need is to have the primaries shut down before half the country even gets a chance to cast their vote (silencing their voices--you think that will increase the chances they will fall in line and turn out in November--dream on), and especially after Bernie's chances were soaring and Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and the other endorsements almost overnight seemed like everyone in the establishment teaming up together to work against Bernie. I get that you win some you lose some. I get why they made the choices they did, but all I'm saying is, if you are that Bernie supporter... I can see where you might be feeling like the last few weeks were really rigged against him. And I don't think more calls from the establishment to shut down the primaries are going to help.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pampango

(24,692 posts)
31. Give Sanders a little time. Heck, he was the 'frontrunner' just 11 days ago and
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:39 AM
Mar 2020

Biden was relying on his 'firewall' in SC to rebound - which he has done spectacularly.

If the debate on Sunday and the primaries next Tuesday go Biden's way, which they show every indication of doing - I think Sanders will do the right thing.

I don't know how the party could 'shut down this primary' unilaterally. I suppose they could cancel all future debates but the primary elections are still going to happen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. At it's worst, it's merely irrelevant for the fundamental reason it won't happen.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:51 AM
Mar 2020

I get people wanting to pick up this particular ball, run with and pretend a touchdown is imminent, but it's little different in tone, tenor and sentiment than someone saying, "it really should stop raining..."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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