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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

still_one

(96,050 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:17 PM Mar 2020

More evidence why Sanders is not the person for the nomination. He cannot unify the party

THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT IS NOT THE ENEMY!!!

It should be quite evident that not only he cannot move beyond his base, and he is actually losing people from that base




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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More evidence why Sanders is not the person for the nomination. He cannot unify the party (Original Post) still_one Mar 2020 OP
to ideologues we sure are, I don't care if they take their ball home and whine beachbumbob Mar 2020 #1
It should be quite evident that not only he cannot move beyond his base, and is in fact losing still_one Mar 2020 #3
yep, its a tiresome song and dance beachbumbob Mar 2020 #5
He's the opposite of that and it's by design showblue22 Mar 2020 #21
There's an almost historic chance for party unity here and he's blowing it off. LisaM Mar 2020 #2
Did Sanders miss his opportunity to unite our country?? asiliveandbreathe Mar 2020 #4
Yup all about him, cannot accept defeat. He's a severe narcissist sunonmars Mar 2020 #7
Funny ... DaDeacon Mar 2020 #6
When a campaign strategy is to declare war against 70% of the Democratic party, you should not still_one Mar 2020 #8
strawman argument nothing I said. DaDeacon Mar 2020 #11
My point is he is attacking what he terms as establishment Democrats, and whether he has voted with still_one Mar 2020 #18
I hope Biden tells Bernie No showblue22 Mar 2020 #23
+1 -K&R onetexan Mar 2020 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Mar 2020 #17
Fighting against the Democrat party is disappointing. To Democrats. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #9
The party is fighting itself. DaDeacon Mar 2020 #12
That's what happens when you take a no compromise approach dansolo Mar 2020 #31
Negotiating like your opponent?!?!? Seems fair. DaDeacon Mar 2020 #35
Susan Collins gets no respect Hav Mar 2020 #24
The big problem is that he can't change his stump speech. Laelth Mar 2020 #10
What liberal policy is the center party fight for?!?! DaDeacon Mar 2020 #13
Bernie promised us that he would fight for THE WHOLE CHICKEN. Laelth Mar 2020 #19
Instead of fighting, I'd like to see more working dansolo Mar 2020 #32
Two replies but no answer. DaDeacon Mar 2020 #36
The ACA was a major accomplishment. President's since Wilson have been trying Blue_true Mar 2020 #40
Agreeded friend...however DaDeacon Mar 2020 #41
he's not even a member! samir.g Mar 2020 #14
And Biden has the momentum ibegurpard Mar 2020 #15
Here on DU, progressives are "vile scumbuckets", "leftist dirtbags" and ... philly_bob Mar 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #22
A typically mean, taunting, schoolyard reply philly_bob Mar 2020 #25
Yes, he has won. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #27
That I will do, if Biden gets nom. philly_bob Mar 2020 #34
If you won't vote against Trump, then you are a vile scumbucket dansolo Mar 2020 #33
In fact.. just the opposite. Cha Mar 2020 #20
It's a lifelong habit dalton99a Mar 2020 #26
To misidentify the enemy renders one incompetent, reckless, dangerous Ponietz Mar 2020 #28
more important than that... lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #30
... William769 Mar 2020 #37
I dunno BidenBacker Mar 2020 #38
The Establishment Didn't Destroy Bernie Sanders. He destroyed himsel Gothmog Mar 2020 #39
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
1. to ideologues we sure are, I don't care if they take their ball home and whine
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:19 PM
Mar 2020

I laugh at any one who thought for 1 milisec that sanders was an uniter, he has been anything but one his entire political life

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primary today, I would vote for:
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still_one

(96,050 posts)
3. It should be quite evident that not only he cannot move beyond his base, and is in fact losing
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:20 PM
Mar 2020

support from that base


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
5. yep, its a tiresome song and dance
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:21 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
21. He's the opposite of that and it's by design
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 05:08 PM
Mar 2020

In his early writing he said he would be proud if he was the spoiler.

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LisaM

(28,460 posts)
2. There's an almost historic chance for party unity here and he's blowing it off.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:19 PM
Mar 2020

I'm not surprised, but I'm disappointed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. Did Sanders miss his opportunity to unite our country??
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:21 PM
Mar 2020

Is this another "it's all about me" moment?..WTH….

Democratic voters want to DUMP tRump..WTH Bernie????

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

sunonmars

(8,657 posts)
7. Yup all about him, cannot accept defeat. He's a severe narcissist
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:22 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DaDeacon

(984 posts)
6. Funny ...
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:21 PM
Mar 2020

Joe Mansion and even Susan Collins get more respect on the forum than a guy who votes with party consistently and fights for labor rights. Sorry, he disappointed you but we'll see you Sunday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(96,050 posts)
8. When a campaign strategy is to declare war against 70% of the Democratic party, you should not
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020

lecture people about respect


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DaDeacon

(984 posts)
11. strawman argument nothing I said.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:27 PM
Mar 2020

Please respond to my post if you need to replay to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

still_one

(96,050 posts)
18. My point is he is attacking what he terms as establishment Democrats, and whether he has voted with
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:06 PM
Mar 2020

Democrats the majority of time is not the point. Painting establishment Democrats as the problem is a divisive tactic

From my perspective he has every right to stay in the race as long as he wants, but in my view he would be far more persuasive if he pursued why his views were the way to go, instead of using establishment as the problem

This is comparable to how the republicans perverted the liberal word
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
23. I hope Biden tells Bernie No
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 05:10 PM
Mar 2020

at the debate. Biden brought out millions of new voters who don't want Bernie's platform. Biden should say that exactly to Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to still_one (Reply #8)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. Fighting against the Democrat party is disappointing. To Democrats.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:24 PM
Mar 2020

But I can empathize with non-Democrats who support fighting the party for the sake of a sacred cow that no longer gives milk.




I s'pose Sanders simply hasn't earned the collective respect you reference and bemoan with such alleged sincerity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DaDeacon

(984 posts)
12. The party is fighting itself.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:33 PM
Mar 2020

The left of the party (not far left) and it's center to right-wing parts DO not agree. Unity is not one side being made silent for the other. It is coming together to unite cause with need.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

dansolo

(5,379 posts)
31. That's what happens when you take a no compromise approach
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:42 AM
Mar 2020

You Sanders supporters treat negotiations and compromise just like Republicans do. Moderate Democrats are more than willing to incorporate more liberal policies. I don't see any indications that you are willing to do the same.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DaDeacon

(984 posts)
35. Negotiating like your opponent?!?!? Seems fair.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 04:42 PM
Mar 2020

I'm not an absolutist but you bargain from where you want to end and compromise to an agreed middle. If you want a $10 raise you dont start by saying "I'll take $5 boss"

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
24. Susan Collins gets no respect
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 05:14 PM
Mar 2020

She's a joke. No one buys what she pretends to be and everyone here hopes she gets voted out.

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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
10. The big problem is that he can't change his stump speech.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:27 PM
Mar 2020

He’s been running against the Democratic Party for so long that it’s like he doesn’t know what else to say. It’s sad, really, because the Democratic Party is now sufficiently liberal (once again) to be open to Bernie’s policy proposals, but Bernie is still stuck in the 1990s, and he’s running against the party that actually wants to accomplish his policy goals.

Sad. Truly.

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DaDeacon

(984 posts)
13. What liberal policy is the center party fight for?!?!
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 PM
Mar 2020

I'm asking honestly?

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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
19. Bernie promised us that he would fight for THE WHOLE CHICKEN.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:50 PM
Mar 2020

That’s why I voted for Bernie in the TX primary. I would have voted for Elizabeth, but her campaign was not viable at that time. Bernie’s was. They both promised to fight for THE WHOLE CHICKEN.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287643537

Now, no other Democratic candidate is promising to fight for THE WHOLE CHICKEN. That’s not what I said in my post, above. I argue that the Democratic Party is now, once again, liberal enough to be OPEN to the idea that the people deserve THE WHOLE CHICKEN. That’s all I said (other than the fact that I think Bernie’s shooting himself in the foot by running against the only party that is open to his agenda).

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
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dansolo

(5,379 posts)
32. Instead of fighting, I'd like to see more working
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:48 AM
Mar 2020

Fighting is the easy part. Getting the legislation passed is not. Bernie wants to be president because it gives him the perfect scapegoat opportunity. He can sit back and not worry about doing the difficult job of crafting legislation, and getting support in Congress to get it passed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DaDeacon

(984 posts)
36. Two replies but no answer.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 04:44 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
40. The ACA was a major accomplishment. President's since Wilson have been trying
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:05 PM
Mar 2020

to get some form of national healthcare. The ACA provides a framework from which we move to the next level.

I believe that the Coronavirus is a major opportunity to reform healthcare delivery in this country to make it less expensive and all encompassing. We need a person that can take advantage of that opportunity, I believe that Joe Biden can.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DaDeacon

(984 posts)
41. Agreeded friend...however
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:41 AM
Mar 2020

This is kinda been the crux of my support for Sanders. Because Democrats allowed for sweeping compromise while holding all the levers of government at the the time the ACA was watered down into a mass insurance company discount deal as opposed to a ture universal healthcare plan. Was it helpful yes. Did it accomplish its goal no. We keep walking into negotiations with the wolf as sheep hoping we can convince them to have chicken tonight instead of lamb. Lol
Our progressive roots as the Modern Democratic party should be at the foremost of all policy. People, labor, and environmental concerns. We are losing our way because its becoming about power without a focus on what we need the power for. Compromise is a tool to establish framework from where to build. The ACA as a framework was flawed because it allowed for a mandate of coverage as opposed to a foundational understanding as healthcare as a right.
Sanders doesn't have a book full of plans or the support of all the party, or the charisma but he has the one thing that has been missing form the party since the election of Bill Clinton. A policy focused on labor over wallstreet. Raising the minimum wage, true universal healthcare, and college education as a fundamental has high school. If Biden was to win the nomination I need him to accept that many supporters from the left need those causes championed and not with half measures but with good foundations to build on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

samir.g

(836 posts)
14. he's not even a member!
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:36 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ibegurpard

(16,840 posts)
15. And Biden has the momentum
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:44 PM
Mar 2020

I don't see that changing. It's happening organically. Sanders is in a much worse place now than he he was at this point in 2016. Why would you want to jeopardize this by going scorched earth on him. It's happening. Let it happen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

philly_bob

(2,427 posts)
16. Here on DU, progressives are "vile scumbuckets", "leftist dirtbags" and ...
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:56 PM
Mar 2020

as bad as Trump. Now THAT'S how to unify a party!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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philly_bob

(2,427 posts)
25. A typically mean, taunting, schoolyard reply
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 12:13 AM
Mar 2020

Not intended to unify the party, even after Biden has apparently won.

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HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
27. Yes, he has won.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 12:18 AM
Mar 2020

And Bernie has lost. Vote blue in November. The end.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

philly_bob

(2,427 posts)
34. That I will do, if Biden gets nom.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:04 AM
Mar 2020

There's still a debate and convention to go.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

dansolo

(5,379 posts)
33. If you won't vote against Trump, then you are a vile scumbucket
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:52 AM
Mar 2020

I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves a progressive would not vote against Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(304,721 posts)
20. In fact.. just the opposite.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 04:59 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(84,048 posts)
26. It's a lifelong habit
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 12:14 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ponietz

(3,257 posts)
28. To misidentify the enemy renders one incompetent, reckless, dangerous
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 12:24 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapfog_1

(29,992 posts)
30. more important than that...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:59 AM
Mar 2020

all those "young voters" he talks about... they either don't vote or didn't vote for Bernie this go round.

So how is it that when he can't even get them to turn out and vote for HIM, he feels entitled to direct the party platform because he, and only he, will get them to turn out and vote for someone they all despise almost as much as they dispise Trump?

Seriously... we should NOT count on the Bernie wing of the party this fall... if we do, we lose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
38. I dunno
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 04:49 PM
Mar 2020

but Bernie sure seemed to unify the "capitalists" on CNBC today.

All day long they were screaming for the federal government to help save their stock portfolios.

CNBC: "We need some socialism...NOW!"

I sure wish there was a deadly virus that only killed world-class hypocrites.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(153,883 posts)
39. The Establishment Didn't Destroy Bernie Sanders. He destroyed himsel
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:22 PM
Mar 2020

I never considered sanders to be a serious candidate. sanders has zero major legislative accomplishments in part because none of his fellow Democrats really want to support his agenda. I do not understand sanders' political revolution and how this revolution would somehow force congress to adopt his agenda. The only thing that is clear is that sanders attacks on other Democrats and the Democratic Establishment have backfired




If you look back at Sanders’ share of the vote in each primary, he hasn’t actually lost ground. In Iowa and New Hampshire, he got a quarter of the vote. In Nevada, he got a third. In South Carolina, he got a fifth. On Super Tuesday, he stayed in the same range, drawing about a quarter of the vote in the states he lost and a third of the vote in the states he won. What hurt him was that Biden increased his share of the vote, while Sanders didn’t. As other candidates dropped out, their voters went to Biden, not Sanders. And one reason for this pattern is Sanders’ constant message of antagonism. He has cultivated enemies instead of friends. Now he’s paying the price. …..

Sanders’ first defeat, on Feb. 29 in South Carolina, was a warning that he needed to assuage fears about his candidacy. Instead, he celebrated those fears as proof of his success. On March 1, he proudly told a crowd in San Jose, California, that the turnout at his rallies was alarming the establishment. The next day, in St. Paul, Minnesota, he repeated that message. When Sanders was informed that fellow candidates Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar were dropping out and endorsing Biden, he said it was no surprise, since the corporate elite was out to get him. And when Maddow asked Sanders whether he was specifically running against “the Democratic Party establishment”—not just a generic “political establishment”—he replied: “Democratic establishment. Yes.”

At his rallies, Sanders has continued to call for a “political revolution.” And he has added another villain to his list of enemies: the stock market. When the market surged after Super Tuesday, Sanders, far from welcoming this news, cited it as evidence of Biden’s corruption. “We’re taking them all on,” he said of the companies whose valuations had increased. “The stock market went up this morning ’cause they thought that Biden did well.” Sanders told Maddow that “the health care industry and the drug companies did very well” because “Biden had a good day.” And he warned these companies that if he got his way, their stocks would suffer. “I got some bad news for those guys,” he said. “Don’t count your chickens until they’re hatched.” ….

Meanwhile, Sanders has escalated his talk of conspiracies. On Sunday, he claimed that “the establishment put a great deal of pressure” on Buttigieg and Klobuchar to “force” them out of the race. “What was very clear from the media narrative and what the establishment wanted,” he told George Stephanopoulos, “was to make sure that people coalesced around Biden and try to defeat me.” On Wednesday, after his defeats, Sanders again rebuked “the Democratic establishment” and insisted that “our campaign has won the ideological debate.”

What Sanders fails to understand is the connection between his defeats and his rhetoric. It wasn’t the media or the Democratic National Committee that turned Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and millions of voters against him. It was Sanders. His relentless message of conflict, along with his expanding list of putative enemies, attracted a fraction of the electorate but alienated everybody else. As the primaries narrowed to a two-man race, his base was no longer enough to win. The establishment didn’t destroy Bernie Sanders. He destroyed himself.
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