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LAS14

(14,695 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:43 PM Mar 2020

I think it's fine for Sanders to stay in the race....

.... if he treats it like a national platform to push his agenda and not as a platform to tear down Biden as a person.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I think it's fine for Sanders to stay in the race.... (Original Post) LAS14 Mar 2020 OP
Maybe it will be different this time. Squinch Mar 2020 #1
Sure it will comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #5
Right? The first time it was bad. This time it's unforgivable. Squinch Mar 2020 #6
he promised not to hit me again lol nt msongs Mar 2020 #11
Exactly. He really loves us. "He's just holding Joe's feet to the fire for Joe's own benefit." Squinch Mar 2020 #12
Agree... although I think he said that Biden doesn't care about the young people... Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #2
I tend to agree. Demguy81 Mar 2020 #3
Lol. But he won't. And don't look now but he has lost. He doesn't Squinch Mar 2020 #7
I don't mind him Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #14
He lost. His agenda lost. If he "pushes Joe left" that would require Squinch Mar 2020 #18
I'm not saying Joe Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #19
he won't Cha Mar 2020 #38
You will mind if djg21 Mar 2020 #23
Well, Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #25
It's going to be a process of Demguy81 Mar 2020 #17
What makes you think so? What in the man's history leads you to that conclusion? Squinch Mar 2020 #21
I am saying this is what should happen. Demguy81 Mar 2020 #22
But again, no other candidates' supporters are expected to "require work." Squinch Mar 2020 #24
Because I want to win in November. Demguy81 Mar 2020 #30
I don't see how it does. Or why anyone would think it does. Squinch Mar 2020 #31
We're better united than divided. Demguy81 Mar 2020 #32
If he spends the debate giving Republicans MontanaFarmer Mar 2020 #4
Joe should bow out of the debate. He has more important things to do with his time Squinch Mar 2020 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Mar 2020 #15
I agree. I would also add not tear down the Democratic Party. Isn't the point to convince people still_one Mar 2020 #8
He's not about to change strategies now. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #9
Check out twitter and see what his campaign is doing...they are tearing down Biden. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #13
The DNC Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #16
Should have done this a long time ago. Demguy81 Mar 2020 #20
Yeah, I don't like debate audiences. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #26
They are giving the Biden campaign a preview of what they can expect from the Trump campaign. totodeinhere Mar 2020 #36
Bullshit attacking our nominee hurts our election efforts. I disliked Bernie before. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #37
No, constructive criticism of our nominee will only make him stronger in the long run. totodeinhere Mar 2020 #39
Well, his remarks awhile ago shows he's going to be attacking Joe Biden LakeArenal Mar 2020 #27
Nope. What Sanders is doing is not good for the D Party or our nominee. stopbush Mar 2020 #28
today he gave his stump speech lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #33
Sanders staying in the race Chainfire Mar 2020 #34
Yeah.. Part of the feeling that prompted me to start this thread... LAS14 Mar 2020 #35
Yes, that point is important mvd Mar 2020 #40
STaying in the primary race and losign by large margins may actually help Biden Gothmog Mar 2020 #41
He has used his candidacy as a national platform to attack the Democratic Party and it's leadership. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #42
He won't and I think it gives false hope to his followers who will be even more angry and bitter Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #43
Aaaand he siphons off just enough delegates... Tercules Mar 2020 #44
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
1. Maybe it will be different this time.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:44 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
6. Right? The first time it was bad. This time it's unforgivable.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:48 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(70,178 posts)
11. he promised not to hit me again lol nt
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:56 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
12. Exactly. He really loves us. "He's just holding Joe's feet to the fire for Joe's own benefit."
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:59 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(34,664 posts)
2. Agree... although I think he said that Biden doesn't care about the young people...
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:45 PM
Mar 2020

This isn’t helpful

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demguy81

(93 posts)
3. I tend to agree.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:46 PM
Mar 2020

Yes, it was a convoluted press conference from Sanders. But, the questions he asked were interesting. If he is pressing Biden to lean left (without unnecessary personal attacks), it will be Biden's time to shine. Bernie should bow out after losing next week's primaries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
7. Lol. But he won't. And don't look now but he has lost. He doesn't
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:50 PM
Mar 2020

get to dictate terms or make demands.

There is no prize for participation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
14. I don't mind him
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:02 PM
Mar 2020

pushing Joe to move left as long as he refrains from attacking him. We shall see how it all plays out in the next week.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
18. He lost. His agenda lost. If he "pushes Joe left" that would require
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:09 PM
Mar 2020

Joe to go against all the people who DID NOT VOTE FOR BSs agenda.

We voted for Joe. Not Bernie. Bernie lost. He does not get a prize for participation, any more than any of the other candidates.

And besides, we know where it leads when BS tells us he's improving us. We've seen it before.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
19. I'm not saying Joe
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:10 PM
Mar 2020

has to actually listen to him. I’m just saying I don’t mind if he stays in another week as long as he stops the negativity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
23. You will mind if
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:37 PM
Mar 2020

Trump again wins by virtue of only the electoral college or only by a small majority of the popular vote. Then you can think about all the never-Trump republicans and middle-of-the road voters that were alienated by Biden’s move to the left in order to placate Bernie, WHO DECISIVELY LOST THE PRIMARY, and has no business making any demands.

This happened in 2016 and will happen again if we let it. Bernie should drop out, and Biden should refuse to participate in any further debates. Enough. Bernie is an asshole. I’m sick of him, and I’m sick of his supporters making lame excuses for him and justifying his conduct, which is not in the interests of the Country or the Democratic Party.

Oh I forgot. BERNIE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT. Why should we expect him to act as one?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
25. Well,
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:42 PM
Mar 2020

I don’t think he should stay in past next week. I wish he would have dropped out today, but he didn’t. We’ll see what the next week brings.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demguy81

(93 posts)
17. It's going to be a process of
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:07 PM
Mar 2020

Having the last debate, having Bernie lose the next primaries, and then a reconciliation between the two candidates and their supporters and to build a platform that will decimate Trump. It will require the cooperation of both groups. Any talk of "we won get lost" or "Bernie or Bust" is unhelpful.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
21. What makes you think so? What in the man's history leads you to that conclusion?
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:14 PM
Mar 2020

And this isn't, "we won, get lost." This is "Joe won. Get on his bus. Just like the rest of us did when our candidates lost."

Why is BS different?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demguy81

(93 posts)
22. I am saying this is what should happen.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:30 PM
Mar 2020

Will it happen? I think so, but I've been wrong before. I think the issue is that (whether rightly or wrongly), there is a perception that Biden's side represents the establishment, and Bernie's side represents an insurgency. Getting those sides together is going to require work. I am a Bernie voter who will enthusiatically endorse Biden, but I can't speak for others who might need more time. A lot will ride on Bernie, he's got to do better than he did in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
24. But again, no other candidates' supporters are expected to "require work."
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:41 PM
Mar 2020

And we know that "work" means concessions. But that means concessions to the "insurgency" that has been soundly rejected by voters.

So why is BS entitled to this "work"? Liz isn't. Amy isn't. Kamala isn't. Mike and Pete and Andrew aren't. Why is BS?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demguy81

(93 posts)
30. Because I want to win in November.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:49 PM
Mar 2020

If BS and his supporters getting special treatment leads to a greater probability of beating Trump, then I'm all for it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
31. I don't see how it does. Or why anyone would think it does.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:50 PM
Mar 2020

There is nothing in history to suggest that appeasing BS leads to better outcomes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demguy81

(93 posts)
32. We're better united than divided.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:56 PM
Mar 2020

A lot will ride on Bernie doing the right thing next week, and a lot of BS ideas are popular, even if he is a terrible messenger. All should ride on the GE, take from BS what will help in the GE, and politely dismiss what won't. In turn, BS should be a surrogate for Joe, talking about their friendship and Joe's character.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MontanaFarmer

(743 posts)
4. If he spends the debate giving Republicans
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:46 PM
Mar 2020

2 hours of attack footage against Joe, it's going to backfire on him tremendously. He's currently well- liked by dem voters, but that's going to change if he does what he did 4 years ago. 35% is all he'll ever get in a democratic primary (not caucus). A revolution, that isn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
10. Joe should bow out of the debate. He has more important things to do with his time
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:52 PM
Mar 2020

now. We have serious work to do and the survival of the Democracy depends on it. We don't have time for this shit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Squinch (Reply #10)

 

still_one

(96,555 posts)
8. I agree. I would also add not tear down the Democratic Party. Isn't the point to convince people
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:52 PM
Mar 2020

why ones positions are the best ones?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
9. He's not about to change strategies now.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:52 PM
Mar 2020

His staff pretty clearly believes that going hard negative is the only way to turn his campaign around. They're not about to bail on that now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
13. Check out twitter and see what his campaign is doing...they are tearing down Biden.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:01 PM
Mar 2020

Cancel the debate ...Corona virus is too dangerous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
16. The DNC
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:04 PM
Mar 2020

did cancel the audience at the debate. So that’s something, at least.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demguy81

(93 posts)
20. Should have done this a long time ago.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:13 PM
Mar 2020

I might be in the minority, but I think the crowd takes away from substance and awards crass personal attacks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
26. Yeah, I don't like debate audiences.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:43 PM
Mar 2020

It’s not professional wrestling.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,311 posts)
36. They are giving the Biden campaign a preview of what they can expect from the Trump campaign.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:52 PM
Mar 2020

Better to get it out in the open now and deal with it before Trump gets a hold of it which he surely will. As far as the debate goes, there will not be a live audience so I think there will be minimal risk.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
37. Bullshit attacking our nominee hurts our election efforts. I disliked Bernie before.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 05:13 PM
Mar 2020

Now,I despise him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,311 posts)
39. No, constructive criticism of our nominee will only make him stronger in the long run.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 05:17 PM
Mar 2020

Just because he will probably be the nominee should not make him immune from criticism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(29,813 posts)
27. Well, his remarks awhile ago shows he's going to be attacking Joe Biden
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:45 PM
Mar 2020

Sore loser gonna sore.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopbush

(24,630 posts)
28. Nope. What Sanders is doing is not good for the D Party or our nominee.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:47 PM
Mar 2020

But Sanders isn’t a D and he doesn’t really care about what’s best for the Party. In fact, he’s pretty much declared war on the Party.

Does Sanders seriously think that regurgitating the talking points we’ve heard for six years Sunday is going to change a single vote in his favor? Hell, most voters have his stump speech down cold.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapfog_1

(30,168 posts)
29. today he gave his stump speech
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 01:48 PM
Mar 2020

claimed victory in the polling (the exit polls were overwhelmingly for us) and then went on a long rambling attack on Biden... basically asking Joe to have a plan to fix every social and economic "injustice" in the world... and quoted a number of questionable statistics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to LAS14 (Original post)

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
34. Sanders staying in the race
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:44 PM
Mar 2020

Keeps Democrat politics in the headlines. It is probably not bad even if they are in a pissing contest. I don't think that it hurts the cause for the battle continue until the convention.

I would like to see Biden campaigning against Trump, as if he is the nominee, and not worry too much about Sander's campaign.

I will tell you this though, if we can't beat Trump, with any candidate, after his mishandling this present crisis, we are doomed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LAS14

(14,695 posts)
35. Yeah.. Part of the feeling that prompted me to start this thread...
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 02:48 PM
Mar 2020

... was the prospect of Biden disappearing from TV until.... oh.... July? Or even later if Trump refuses to debate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mvd

(65,453 posts)
40. Yes, that point is important
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 05:21 PM
Mar 2020

I appreciate the kind words I got from Biden supporters. It is hard when you realize your candidate basically has no chance.

I think the debate would be good if it is a productive exchange of ideas.

And if in the next couple weeks Biden gets an even more insurmountable lead (very likely), time for Sanders to give it up. The movement is not just about Bernie. Hopefully most Bernie supporters are like me and support Biden while keeping things like Medicare for All in the spotlight.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(154,588 posts)
41. STaying in the primary race and losign by large margins may actually help Biden
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 04:57 PM
Mar 2020

sanders not dropping out may help Biden. sanders keeps on losing primaries by large margins nnly strenghten's Joe's position https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/11/no-surprise-bernie-sanders-is-still-all-about-himself-never-party/

Sanders’s remaining in the race should serve several salutary purposes for the party and the country. First, seeing him lose overwhelmingly week after week will dispel the notion that the Democratic Party has moved left, or that he is in a dominant position to negotiate with the overwhelming winner. It’s not clear why the Biden camp should “give” Sanders anything.

Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....

Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left — hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) — will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.

Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sunday’s debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,822 posts)
42. He has used his candidacy as a national platform to attack the Democratic Party and it's leadership.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:00 PM
Mar 2020

Why do you think he would stop now?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
43. He won't and I think it gives false hope to his followers who will be even more angry and bitter
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:01 PM
Mar 2020

when they realize that he has in fact lost right now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tercules

(32 posts)
44. Aaaand he siphons off just enough delegates...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:39 PM
Mar 2020

that it ends up a brokered convention. Even with the sizable plurality Biden would probably have, I can see Bernie lunging at his last chance at the ticket by going into full attack mode on Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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