Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI think it's fine for Sanders to stay in the race....
.... if he treats it like a national platform to push his agenda and not as a platform to tear down Biden as a person.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,467 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(70,178 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,664 posts)This isnt helpful
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demguy81
(93 posts)Yes, it was a convoluted press conference from Sanders. But, the questions he asked were interesting. If he is pressing Biden to lean left (without unnecessary personal attacks), it will be Biden's time to shine. Bernie should bow out after losing next week's primaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)get to dictate terms or make demands.
There is no prize for participation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(15,922 posts)pushing Joe to move left as long as he refrains from attacking him. We shall see how it all plays out in the next week.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)Joe to go against all the people who DID NOT VOTE FOR BSs agenda.
We voted for Joe. Not Bernie. Bernie lost. He does not get a prize for participation, any more than any of the other candidates.
And besides, we know where it leads when BS tells us he's improving us. We've seen it before.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(15,922 posts)has to actually listen to him. Im just saying I dont mind if he stays in another week as long as he stops the negativity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
djg21
(1,803 posts)Trump again wins by virtue of only the electoral college or only by a small majority of the popular vote. Then you can think about all the never-Trump republicans and middle-of-the road voters that were alienated by Bidens move to the left in order to placate Bernie, WHO DECISIVELY LOST THE PRIMARY, and has no business making any demands.
This happened in 2016 and will happen again if we let it. Bernie should drop out, and Biden should refuse to participate in any further debates. Enough. Bernie is an asshole. Im sick of him, and Im sick of his supporters making lame excuses for him and justifying his conduct, which is not in the interests of the Country or the Democratic Party.
Oh I forgot. BERNIE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT. Why should we expect him to act as one?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I dont think he should stay in past next week. I wish he would have dropped out today, but he didnt. Well see what the next week brings.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demguy81
(93 posts)Having the last debate, having Bernie lose the next primaries, and then a reconciliation between the two candidates and their supporters and to build a platform that will decimate Trump. It will require the cooperation of both groups. Any talk of "we won get lost" or "Bernie or Bust" is unhelpful.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)And this isn't, "we won, get lost." This is "Joe won. Get on his bus. Just like the rest of us did when our candidates lost."
Why is BS different?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demguy81
(93 posts)Will it happen? I think so, but I've been wrong before. I think the issue is that (whether rightly or wrongly), there is a perception that Biden's side represents the establishment, and Bernie's side represents an insurgency. Getting those sides together is going to require work. I am a Bernie voter who will enthusiatically endorse Biden, but I can't speak for others who might need more time. A lot will ride on Bernie, he's got to do better than he did in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)And we know that "work" means concessions. But that means concessions to the "insurgency" that has been soundly rejected by voters.
So why is BS entitled to this "work"? Liz isn't. Amy isn't. Kamala isn't. Mike and Pete and Andrew aren't. Why is BS?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demguy81
(93 posts)If BS and his supporters getting special treatment leads to a greater probability of beating Trump, then I'm all for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)There is nothing in history to suggest that appeasing BS leads to better outcomes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demguy81
(93 posts)A lot will ride on Bernie doing the right thing next week, and a lot of BS ideas are popular, even if he is a terrible messenger. All should ride on the GE, take from BS what will help in the GE, and politely dismiss what won't. In turn, BS should be a surrogate for Joe, talking about their friendship and Joe's character.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MontanaFarmer
(743 posts)2 hours of attack footage against Joe, it's going to backfire on him tremendously. He's currently well- liked by dem voters, but that's going to change if he does what he did 4 years ago. 35% is all he'll ever get in a democratic primary (not caucus). A revolution, that isn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)now. We have serious work to do and the survival of the Democracy depends on it. We don't have time for this shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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still_one
(96,555 posts)why ones positions are the best ones?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)His staff pretty clearly believes that going hard negative is the only way to turn his campaign around. They're not about to bail on that now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)Cancel the debate ...Corona virus is too dangerous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(15,922 posts)did cancel the audience at the debate. So thats something, at least.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demguy81
(93 posts)I might be in the minority, but I think the crowd takes away from substance and awards crass personal attacks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(15,922 posts)Its not professional wrestling.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,311 posts)Better to get it out in the open now and deal with it before Trump gets a hold of it which he surely will. As far as the debate goes, there will not be a live audience so I think there will be minimal risk.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)Now,I despise him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,311 posts)Just because he will probably be the nominee should not make him immune from criticism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(29,813 posts)Sore loser gonna sore.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,630 posts)But Sanders isnt a D and he doesnt really care about whats best for the Party. In fact, hes pretty much declared war on the Party.
Does Sanders seriously think that regurgitating the talking points weve heard for six years Sunday is going to change a single vote in his favor? Hell, most voters have his stump speech down cold.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapfog_1
(30,168 posts)claimed victory in the polling (the exit polls were overwhelmingly for us) and then went on a long rambling attack on Biden... basically asking Joe to have a plan to fix every social and economic "injustice" in the world... and quoted a number of questionable statistics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Chainfire
(17,757 posts)Keeps Democrat politics in the headlines. It is probably not bad even if they are in a pissing contest. I don't think that it hurts the cause for the battle continue until the convention.
I would like to see Biden campaigning against Trump, as if he is the nominee, and not worry too much about Sander's campaign.
I will tell you this though, if we can't beat Trump, with any candidate, after his mishandling this present crisis, we are doomed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(14,695 posts)... was the prospect of Biden disappearing from TV until.... oh.... July? Or even later if Trump refuses to debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mvd
(65,453 posts)I appreciate the kind words I got from Biden supporters. It is hard when you realize your candidate basically has no chance.
I think the debate would be good if it is a productive exchange of ideas.
And if in the next couple weeks Biden gets an even more insurmountable lead (very likely), time for Sanders to give it up. The movement is not just about Bernie. Hopefully most Bernie supporters are like me and support Biden while keeping things like Medicare for All in the spotlight.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,588 posts)sanders not dropping out may help Biden. sanders keeps on losing primaries by large margins nnly strenghten's Joe's position https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/11/no-surprise-bernie-sanders-is-still-all-about-himself-never-party/
Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....
Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.
Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sundays debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,822 posts)Why do you think he would stop now?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)when they realize that he has in fact lost right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tercules
(32 posts)that it ends up a brokered convention. Even with the sizable plurality Biden would probably have, I can see Bernie lunging at his last chance at the ticket by going into full attack mode on Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden