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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:47 PM Mar 2020

Can't blame Bernie. He is doing what he does best.

He is leveraging what little influence he has left to its maximum, while he still can.

Bernie is smart enough to know that his "the people" vs "establishment" narrative has fizzled. The Primary results are clear on this. He is now falling back on the "we won on ideological grounds" narrative, which is also unfounded, but this is not yet as obvious as the failure of his populist message. This will become obvious in time, but not yet. Bernie still has space to maneuver, but it is shrinking, and fast. The next debate gives Bernie the opportunity, possibly his last one, to solidify the grounds for demanding and getting concessions from the Democratic Party to include items from his agenda in its platform. This is why he is pushing so hard right now. This will surely change, commensurate with Bernie's ability to retain relevance in this race.

He is unlikely to succeed to the degree he did in 2016. In fact, he is unlikely to retain sufficient relevance to last him until the convention. My sense is, the sooner he makes an endorsement deal with Biden, the better off Bernie's position will be in the end. My guess is, Bernie will endorse Joe by April. Possibly a day or two after Warren's endorsement, but that's a whole different calculus.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Can't blame Bernie. He is doing what he does best. (Original Post) beastie boy Mar 2020 OP
I think Satan will be driving a Zamboni before Bernie endorses Biden. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #1
You are not giving Bernie, or Satan for that matter, enough credit. beastie boy Mar 2020 #4
Bernie has already said he will support Biden if he is the nominee. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #6
Supporting isn't quite the same as endorsing. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #8
Ok. He endorsed Obama twice and HRC. I'm sure he will endorse Joe. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #9
he will surely endorse Biden. He has no choice. The question is when and how. beastie boy Mar 2020 #12
There's a very narrow window of opportunity where he can influence his disappointed fans... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #17
I suspect that this time (unlike '16), there will be far fewer loyal soldiers by Bernie's side than beastie boy Mar 2020 #18
He will showblue22 Mar 2020 #16
exactly, he has never played nice with others beachbumbob Mar 2020 #11
Trying to save face. Biden has progressive and pragmatic proposals, I hope the Democratic Party emmaverybo Mar 2020 #2
Who Cares? Cozmo Mar 2020 #3
the last big public chance to show off his personality. I suspect ratings will be high nt msongs Mar 2020 #5
Demanding a participation trophy. Squinch Mar 2020 #7
Commentators keep on proposing logical, even kind reasons, for what BS will so. empedocles Mar 2020 #10
I agree, he'll stay in the race in order to get concessions in the platform. betsuni Mar 2020 #13
Staying in the primaries and losing by large margins may backfire Gothmog Mar 2020 #14
I can blame him. In fact I do and always will. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #15
Sure, Bernie will try to rebuild the house after he tries to burn it down. So nice of him. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #19
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,902 posts)
1. I think Satan will be driving a Zamboni before Bernie endorses Biden.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:48 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
4. You are not giving Bernie, or Satan for that matter, enough credit.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:53 PM
Mar 2020

Although I am not completely discounting Bernie's belligerence winning over his intellect. Irresistible force vs immovable object. Hard to predict.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,202 posts)
6. Bernie has already said he will support Biden if he is the nominee.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:55 PM
Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,902 posts)
8. Supporting isn't quite the same as endorsing.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:56 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,202 posts)
9. Ok. He endorsed Obama twice and HRC. I'm sure he will endorse Joe.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:56 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
12. he will surely endorse Biden. He has no choice. The question is when and how.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:07 PM
Mar 2020

Will it be before or after Bernie's endorsement becomes meaningless? Will it be a strong endorsement that moves his followers to Biden's side in a meaningful way, or will it be lip service to nominally fulfill his "duty" to the party he claims to be a member of?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
17. There's a very narrow window of opportunity where he can influence his disappointed fans...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:31 PM
Mar 2020

There's a very narrow window of opportunity where he can influence his disappointed fans. But after that window is closed, it's too late. By then, the disappointment of his "fans" will have already curdled... it will turn into anger and bitterness and resentment... and a strong desire for revenge.

Based on the fact that Bernie is doing absolutely nothing to rein-in the anti-Democrat and anti-Biden rhetoric and lies and smears coming from his top campaign staff (and other trusted high-level surrogates) he's given me zero reason to expect any genuine or sincere or robust endorsement of Joe Biden.

Lip service only, then he'll disappear... leaving his "soldiers" without a leader, and they'll just go rogue. All I'm saying is, we've seen this before... more than once he's made it very clear that he has no allegiance to, and that he's no friend of Democrats or the Democratic party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
18. I suspect that this time (unlike '16), there will be far fewer loyal soldiers by Bernie's side than
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:44 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie's loyal soldiers would lead you to believe. What leads me to this conclusion is that Bernie keeps losing popular support, and unlike Trump's, his base is not rock solid. His base support had not hit bottom yet, which makes me suspect that Bernie's supporters are still in the process of reassessing their loyalties.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
16. He will
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:09 PM
Mar 2020

But he will go to Vermont and write a book first.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
11. exactly, he has never played nice with others
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:06 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,147 posts)
2. Trying to save face. Biden has progressive and pragmatic proposals, I hope the Democratic Party
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:50 PM
Mar 2020

will not give Bernie an outsized influence on the party platform.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
3. Who Cares?
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:51 PM
Mar 2020

He just needs to fade away. The only thing he is good for is to piss people off. For that he gets a gold star. We do not need him, he's working against us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(70,178 posts)
5. the last big public chance to show off his personality. I suspect ratings will be high nt
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:54 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(52,770 posts)
7. Demanding a participation trophy.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:55 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
10. Commentators keep on proposing logical, even kind reasons, for what BS will so.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:57 PM
Mar 2020

This approach does not seem to have worked through the latest primaries, the BS campaign for the last year some, or the 4 years before that.

It may be that BS, like trump [who he resembles in many startling ways], has just one basic gear - ATTACK!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(27,258 posts)
13. I agree, he'll stay in the race in order to get concessions in the platform.
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 07:31 PM
Mar 2020

Which will consist of making it sound more like his stump speech. Throw in a few more "billionaires" and "fair share" and "the one percent." The fifteen dollar minimum wage, higher taxes on corporations and the wealthy, universal health care, income equality, criminal justice reform -- most of what he and his supporters think are his unique issues are already in the 2016 platform anyway. We all have to pretend they're not for some reason. If I have to listen to him going through the list of usual Democratic policies that he claims only he talks about or wants, I will scream.

I just can't see him concede until forced to at the last possible moment. Grudgingly. Then he'll disappear after the convention, like last time, to write a book. It's a pop-up book for juicebox revolutionaries, "My Big Bernie Movement Book." Look for it on Amazon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(154,588 posts)
14. Staying in the primaries and losing by large margins may backfire
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 04:56 PM
Mar 2020

sanders not dropping out may help Biden. sanders keeps on losing primaries by large margins nnly strenghten's Joe's position https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/11/no-surprise-bernie-sanders-is-still-all-about-himself-never-party/

Sanders’s remaining in the race should serve several salutary purposes for the party and the country. First, seeing him lose overwhelmingly week after week will dispel the notion that the Democratic Party has moved left, or that he is in a dominant position to negotiate with the overwhelming winner. It’s not clear why the Biden camp should “give” Sanders anything.

Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....

Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left — hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) — will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.

Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sunday’s debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,822 posts)
15. I can blame him. In fact I do and always will.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 04:57 PM
Mar 2020

Don't fucking tell me I can't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
19. Sure, Bernie will try to rebuild the house after he tries to burn it down. So nice of him. n/t
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:45 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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