Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSanders stays, so his movement can live on by dragging Biden leftward
Bernie Sanders vowed to attend the upcoming Democratic debate after a string of primary losses, and posed questions for his rival.
Would he stay or would he go? For now, he stays, determined to fight on and try to drag the Democratic frontrunner, Joe Biden, to the left, so that even as Sanders race effectively peters out, his movement goes on.
Although Sanders said he was winning the ideological debate against the moderate Biden, and the generational debate in terms of older voters pouring to the polls for his rival, he acknowledged he was losing the electability debate for the party nomination to fight Donald Trump in the November election.
Sanders said he had spoken to a number of voters who supported his policy proposals but backed Biden because they feared Sanders, a self-declared democratic socialist, could not defeat the president.
So as voters waited with bated breath to see if he would quit after crushing defeats in primaries in the last 10 days, he vowed to attend the scheduled debate against Biden in Arizona on Sunday night, effectively confirming his campaign goes on.
The Vermont senator then previewed the issues he will hammer on in the coming days.
Joe, what are you going to do to end the absurdity of the United States of America being the only major country on Earth where healthcare is not a human right? Are you really going to veto a Medicare for All bill if it is passed in Congress? Sanders rhetorically asked, referring to his promise of government-provided health insurance for everyone.
Then he added, defiantly: On Sunday, I very much look forward to the debate in Arizona with my friend Joe Biden, Sanders said.
The candidate then left the hastily arranged press conference without taking any questions.
It was a diehard move, which may give his fervent supporters solace even as it dismays the Democratic party leadership, which is keen to unite and gear up to face Trump together.
Full story: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/11/bernie-sanders-stay-in-drag-biden-left-movement-lives-2020-democratic-election
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,822 posts)They arent. They are voting for Joe by huge margins.
Bernie is nothing more than a spoiler at this point. Again.
Ffs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,467 posts)I am not a Sanders supporter-never have been; but I think Biden has indeed been pro big corporations, such as DuPont (a disgusting and poisonous corporate giant), as well as colleges snd universities which have grown fat on the student business, and the big bank industry which destroyed our economy for a decade.
The fact that we have credit card rates of up to 30% interest and people who cannot bankrupt out of ruinous student debt and even have their social security checks reduced for student loan payments is a Biden responsibility.
Sanders got shot down because of the electability issue of a Democratic Socialist and how the would make us a Democratic Socialist party - a mill stone round the necks of all our candidates for office. We were in danger of losing the House we had just regained after losing it a decade ago when Biden was Vice President.
Joseph Biden is far from an ideal candidate but for the above reason is preferable to Sanders.
Many of us no longer have a margin in our lives and we are soon to face the full force of pandemics for which we are unprepared and climate change which can devolve into a living horror.
I am not willing to stick my head in the sand and go all rah rah for any presidential candidate. Biden however will receive a lot of support as president; Sanders might continue to be at war with the party even if he should get elected-which I doubt he can, and would surround himself with the authoritarian people he has drawn to his campaigns.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)think...clearly with this negative post, you are anti-Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(23,012 posts)A clear minority of Democratic primary voters, in every contest held to date, are picking their candidate primarily based on issues. An overwhelming majority are picking their candidate based on who they think is more likely able to defeat Trump in the Fall. The exit polls however continually show, for example, that clear majorities of Democrats voting in the primaries favor Medicare For All and other policies favored by Sanders, such as measures to address income inequality, college loan debts, the environment etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)matter as it won't pass in Congress.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,135 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thucythucy
(8,742 posts)To say that Sanders voters are going with the issues, while Biden voters are going with "electability" is both an oversimplification and a grand example of the kind of arrogance and condescension that the Sanders campaign has been dishing out for months.
This is especially bothersome when you consider that Sanders lost--by enormous margins--the African American vote which is the bedrock core of the Democratic Party.
Could it be that Democratic voters looked at Sanders and saw the same old same old campaign speech from four years ago, saw him choosing Green Party ideologues who helped put the current monster in the White House as his closest staff and advisors, saw him refusing to be an actual Democrat while taking advantage of the Party's infrastructure, saw someone who called for the first African American president to be opposed in the 2012 primaries, saw someone pushing legislation that advanced the interests of gun manufacturers and the NRA (while refusing to deal with gun violence overall, especially in minority communities) and said: pass?
No no, it has to be "electability" versus "issues."
Because only a fool would oppose "the revolution" on the issues.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(23,012 posts)I am not dividing people into Biden or Sanders camps and/or ascribing different levels of sophistication to anyone. I have simply been following exit polls released from all of the primaries, such as these:
A government plan for all instead of private insurance,
Support/Oppose:
VT: 73%/23%
ME: 69%/28%
TX: 63%/33%
MN: 62%/35%
CO: 57%/36%
CA: 57%/36%
NC: 55%/41%
OK: 53%/43%
TN: 52%/44%
AL: 51%/43%
VA: 52%/45%
MA: 50%/45%
@CNN
Exit Polls
https://cnn.com/election/2020/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)Jill Stein was the spoiler last time. Bernie only ran in the primary last time and he conceded the primary and endorsed Hillary at the convention too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thucythucy
(8,742 posts)but someone who weakens the chances of booting Trump out of office in November.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)that he cannot count on the sustainability of his agenda or his supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)This isn't about BS anymore. He lost. The party doesn't owe him a participation prize any more than they owe one to all the other candidates who have dropped out.
The voters have chosen to go for realistic and attainable goals rather than talking about things that will never pass.
BS needs to stop dividing the party at this time when we need unity more than at any other time. I would say he needs to take a page from Pete and Amy and support the party, but that'll never happen. So at the very least he needs to stop acting like any of this is about him anymore.
It isn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(10,156 posts)and the 50 million that have insurance they cannot afford to use
if you as a biden supporter are saying you don't care about that, you are doing him no favors
biden says his public option will help with the not insured and underinsured, now is the time for him to expand and explain that plan to win Bernie supporters over
when people are literally dying of perfectly manageable medical problems and you accuse us of "dividing the party" it is insulting
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(52,770 posts)I don't care about a candidate who tosses out words but never comes up with a practical way of making a dent in those numbers.
I do care about the fact that the guy who DOES have a plan to do something about those numbers has won the primary, and someone is trying to derail his GE campaign.
Why don't YOU care about that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)The Voters in all these States Voted FOR Joe Biden not Sanders.
Get it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sop
(11,216 posts)for many of them. Hillary adopted a lot of Sanders' policy prescriptions, but it didn't do her any good with his hardcore followers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)Exactly! Hillary gave concessions and they didn't appreciate It one bit.
Same page, sop!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)There is 0% chance of this Congress passing a Medicare for all bill. There is a zero chance of Biden vetoing a bill that will never exist. This is a dumb talking point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sop
(11,216 posts)"Senator Sanders, how can you honestly look Americans in the eye and say any of your plans will be passed by Congress?"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SWBTATTReg
(24,116 posts)that you want? If you don't get these first, then it's kind of moot, isn't it? Let's first concentrate on winning and kicking the orange anus out of office and then get down to work.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapfog_1
(30,168 posts)because the longer Bernie is around, running his attack ads on Joe, the more center and center right votes Joe needs to attract for the election in November.
Bernie people may not "vote blue no matter who"... especially if Bernie keeps having his surrogates write negative things about Joe.
We need to get behind Joe now.
Especially with the global pandemic, we need one voice to contrast with Trump. Not two. We need to show the "alternative President you can have next January if you get out and vote in November"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)He can not demand anything. Hillary made massive concessions and the convention was still a shit show. This time, it's a massive blow out, a landslide. If Bernie wants concessions. he needs to politely ask, not demand.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)If that is a shit show then we need more of them.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/how-big-is-hillary-clintons-convention-bounce-226545
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecdab
(930 posts)his movement, those beatings are just going to make him and his movement seem a whole lot less relevant than they really are. Bernie's not doing anybody any favors by hanging around in this race - including himself and his supports. He's not building leverage, he's throwing it away.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,770 posts)play the elder statesman role while retaining some perception of relevance. Or he can wait for the bloodbath that is coming and that will crush any perception of his relevance.
That he is choosing the latter is so irrational!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)30% coalition. With no plan B
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)All speculative too. When is M4A going to pass Congress? Not in this term.
Bernie would have won if the voters were for this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,588 posts)sanders not dropping out may help Biden. sanders keeps on losing primaries by large margins nnly strenghten's Joe's position https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/11/no-surprise-bernie-sanders-is-still-all-about-himself-never-party/
Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....
Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.
Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sundays debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)Donald Trump...he needs to get out. He has won what three states? And that is all he is likely to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)I particularly oppose the way that Sanders and his camp oppose a public option and expanded Medicaid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)Joe's doing just fine (actually a LOT more than just fine) right where he is. Just stay put and appeal to the broad swath of Americans who are somewhere in the middle and win the election in a landslide. Then after he gets in, tack left and start implementing liberal policies that help the vast majority of people.
Americans prefer having "socialism" spoon-fed to them...they don't like having their mouths forcibly held open and having it poured down their throats.
Besides, another 10 months of coronavirus and market meltdowns and they'll probably be begging for it.
Stay the course, Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Bernie now thinks M4A will pass in Congress. OMFG He is truly... .' Are you really going to veto a Medicare for All bill if it is passed in Congress'.' 'Not me, shush.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)if they want 4 more years of trump or not. If they do, screw them. We can do without you and you have no input in the future period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
William769
(55,830 posts)He's staying on to feed his ego.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's not just a label to dirty.
Definitely classes in the principles and practices of liberal democracy would be desirable as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden