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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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William769

(55,783 posts)
1. Why did this sink into oblivion so quickly?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 12:00 PM
Mar 2020

It's only 12 minutes and I highly suggest you all listen to it.

He is a progressive (Sanders type) that is talking sensible. He will probably not be well liked on his side but sometimes the truth hurts and you need a wakeup call.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(69,980 posts)
3. IMO he lost because he has spent his entire life attacking those he needed nt
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 01:14 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(153,883 posts)
4. The Establishment Didn't Destroy Bernie Sanders. He destroyed himself. https://
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:31 PM
Mar 2020

I never considered sanders to be a serious candidate. sanders has zero major legislative accomplishments in part because none of his fellow Democrats really want to support his agenda. I do not understand sanders' political revolution and how this revolution would somehow force congress to adopt his agenda. The only thing that is clear is that sanders attacks on other Democrats and the Democratic Establishment have backfired




If you look back at Sanders’ share of the vote in each primary, he hasn’t actually lost ground. In Iowa and New Hampshire, he got a quarter of the vote. In Nevada, he got a third. In South Carolina, he got a fifth. On Super Tuesday, he stayed in the same range, drawing about a quarter of the vote in the states he lost and a third of the vote in the states he won. What hurt him was that Biden increased his share of the vote, while Sanders didn’t. As other candidates dropped out, their voters went to Biden, not Sanders. And one reason for this pattern is Sanders’ constant message of antagonism. He has cultivated enemies instead of friends. Now he’s paying the price. …..

Sanders’ first defeat, on Feb. 29 in South Carolina, was a warning that he needed to assuage fears about his candidacy. Instead, he celebrated those fears as proof of his success. On March 1, he proudly told a crowd in San Jose, California, that the turnout at his rallies was alarming the establishment. The next day, in St. Paul, Minnesota, he repeated that message. When Sanders was informed that fellow candidates Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar were dropping out and endorsing Biden, he said it was no surprise, since the corporate elite was out to get him. And when Maddow asked Sanders whether he was specifically running against “the Democratic Party establishment”—not just a generic “political establishment”—he replied: “Democratic establishment. Yes.”

At his rallies, Sanders has continued to call for a “political revolution.” And he has added another villain to his list of enemies: the stock market. When the market surged after Super Tuesday, Sanders, far from welcoming this news, cited it as evidence of Biden’s corruption. “We’re taking them all on,” he said of the companies whose valuations had increased. “The stock market went up this morning ’cause they thought that Biden did well.” Sanders told Maddow that “the health care industry and the drug companies did very well” because “Biden had a good day.” And he warned these companies that if he got his way, their stocks would suffer. “I got some bad news for those guys,” he said. “Don’t count your chickens until they’re hatched.” ….

Meanwhile, Sanders has escalated his talk of conspiracies. On Sunday, he claimed that “the establishment put a great deal of pressure” on Buttigieg and Klobuchar to “force” them out of the race. “What was very clear from the media narrative and what the establishment wanted,” he told George Stephanopoulos, “was to make sure that people coalesced around Biden and try to defeat me.” On Wednesday, after his defeats, Sanders again rebuked “the Democratic establishment” and insisted that “our campaign has won the ideological debate.”

What Sanders fails to understand is the connection between his defeats and his rhetoric. It wasn’t the media or the Democratic National Committee that turned Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and millions of voters against him. It was Sanders. His relentless message of conflict, along with his expanding list of putative enemies, attracted a fraction of the electorate but alienated everybody else. As the primaries narrowed to a two-man race, his base was no longer enough to win. The establishment didn’t destroy Bernie Sanders. He destroyed himself.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. I'm just glad he won't have a chance to "destroy" the Democratic party...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:45 PM
Mar 2020

... he's made it very clear over the years that he has nothing but the greatest contempt for the party and wants to "burn it down" in order to "save it" (so to speak).

All I'm saying is that this is his LAST chance to run for president and this will probably be his LAST term as a senator (if he feels healthy enough to even finish it). I hope he and Jane enjoy retirement.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
5. "Not enough people voted for him"?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:43 PM
Mar 2020

What kind of silly notion is that?

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
7. Pakman spam...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:00 PM
Mar 2020

you've posted nothing but links to Davik Pakman videos at DU for almost 5 years. Over 1500 posts, every single one of them an OP with a link to a David Pakman video.

In the name of transparency, do you work for Pakman?

How is your posting at DU not commercial spam?



Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TheFarseer

(9,466 posts)
9. Really?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:49 PM
Mar 2020

OP did not link to a commercial for probiotics or the Shamwow. Pakman makes really good points that I bet you would agree with.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
10. It's not the content, it's the pattern...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:06 AM
Mar 2020

I don't even watch the Pakman videos, but I know that any thread that pops up from this poster will be nothing more than a link to a Pakman video.

No engagement. No discussion of the videos. The poster has never posted a reply to one of their OPs. They simply dump a link to every video that Pakman posts on Youtube.

Again, how is that not commercial spam?

Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. I know! And I normally don't like Packman. (Kick again!)
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:48 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
15. Pakman is hated by the true hardcore Bro's on social media & LWNJ sites. They call him a neoliberal
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:06 AM
Mar 2020

shill and a sell-out, lololol.

The have lost all tether to reality. I try and engage with some and teach them about Sweden and social democracy vis-a-vis democratic socialism and they just rant on how I am lying and Sweden is 100% socialist and I am delusional and/or a shill for the DLC (which doesn't even exist anymore, I was 14 years old when it folded, and had not lived in the US for over 12 years, ffs.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JCMach1

(27,952 posts)
11. Corona, 60 Minutes disaster, and he has run like it's 2016
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 03:09 AM
Mar 2020

It wasn't and his campaign should have realized that ...

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

betsuni

(27,255 posts)
13. David is right here.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 07:01 AM
Mar 2020

But David, I'll never forgive you for believing and repeating bullshit propaganda about Hillary Clinton. Why did you do that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(20,645 posts)
14. Many of us have tried to explain exactly this, what Pakman is saying, for months, without success.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:32 AM
Mar 2020

David Pakman is 100 correct, and well done to him for being so frank. I hope it reaches as many of his Bernie supporting listeners as possible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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