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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:08 PM Mar 2020

Just pulled this flyer out of my mailbox. WTF???

It was an unsigned, undated, unmailed and otherwise unidentified sheet of paper printed in plain text and just stuffed in my mailbox by hand. First, excerpts from the content:

Hi neighbor,

I write this note regarding the upcoming New York democratic primary.

Like many of you, I've been closely watching the primary unfold. In particular, I've been paying attention to Joe Biden's public appearances for the past six months or so. And what I see brings me an acute sense of worry.

I'll never forget when my grandmother first started showing symptoms of Alzheimers. Small details of memory loss were brushed aside at first: forgetting what she had done the day before, taking longer than usual to recall my name, etc. It wasn't until several months later when symptoms worsened that we realized that these instances were the early signs of a deeper, more tragic problem.

It brings me no joy to say that I intuitively recognize these symptoms in Joe Biden.


snip...

I am not a doctor, but I know what it is that I see in Joe.

Many of us know and love people with Alzheimers/dementia.It's a brutal, unforgiving and tragic illness. From the bottom of my heart I hope Joe receives the treatment he needs. But I can't sit back and watch a candidate with symptoms that are all too familiar to me to become the guy we pitch up against Trump. Trump will be, and has already shown himself to be, merciless and offensive about Biden's increasingly apparent memory issues. The Joe Biden of 4 years ago could trounce Trump. But running the current Joe Biden against Trump would be handing easy prey to a bully.

I simply ask that you consider the risk of not only Joe's electability, but his overall ability.


Now, the WTF part: This shit is so patently provocative, it could only be the product of a troll farm. I live in Max Rose's district, the part of it that is made up of a quirky mix of staunch conservatives, liberal old-timers and lots of young people moving in. My first impulse, given the author's references to the Democratic primary and author's grandmother, was to attribute this pamphlet to a young supporter(s) of a certain Democratic candidate whose campaign is in a slump. Then I thought, nah. This shit is too stupid to take at face value. So I am not discounting the possibility of a Repub troll farm trying to undermine Biden and make it appear like Bernie deserves credit for it.

Has anyone in Brooklyn received anything that resembles this shit?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Just pulled this flyer out of my mailbox. WTF??? (Original Post) beastie boy Mar 2020 OP
Really disgusting. delisen Mar 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author showblue22 Mar 2020 #2
that's true.... getagrip_already Mar 2020 #13
Thank you . showblue22 Mar 2020 #23
Seeing as the report is from South Brooklyn, musette_sf Mar 2020 #14
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Aquaria Mar 2020 #49
I doubt it. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #15
Can you prove the statement you just made ??? SamKnause Mar 2020 #22
They peddled this stuff all last week. showblue22 Mar 2020 #25
Show me the proof. SamKnause Mar 2020 #26
Look at the account Briahnna retweeted. Also Bernie on fox showblue22 Mar 2020 #28
You have zero proof that anyone from Bernie's campaign put that in anyone's mailbox. SamKnause Mar 2020 #30
She's tweeting it putting it to his supporters to do whatever... showblue22 Mar 2020 #32
That' right! They are that foul showblue22 Mar 2020 #29
not making excuses for Sanders supporters stopdiggin Mar 2020 #34
report it to USPS handmade34 Mar 2020 #3
Indeed it is. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #5
Yes. This! hlthe2b Mar 2020 #10
+1 2naSalit Mar 2020 #18
If there's no stamp or cancellation.... SergeStorms Mar 2020 #27
Uh, not quite. Aquaria Mar 2020 #38
Also... Aquaria Mar 2020 #39
From the USPS website: SergeStorms Mar 2020 #50
Donald Segretti did this kinda' shite in 1972 DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #4
Chris Cillizza on CNN.com today writes about how Trump Sloumeau Mar 2020 #6
Let's put Joe and Don through a series of tests SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #20
I like to remind the traitor party putzes Aquaria Mar 2020 #31
Damn, that's harsh SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #46
I think that person was violating federal law. Jeebo Mar 2020 #7
Yes it is PatSeg Mar 2020 #11
This former postal worker can assure you that it is indeed against federal law. Aquaria Mar 2020 #35
Sounds like a Bernie Bro. Now they want free mail. lol. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #37
Someone committed a federal crime jberryhill Mar 2020 #8
Sounds like something Karl Rove would do PatSeg Mar 2020 #9
Yep. Or even trump or other Russian stooges. nt Kahuna7 Mar 2020 #12
The weird thing is, mine wasn't mailed out. It was just stuffed in the mailbox, no envelope or beastie boy Mar 2020 #17
Federal crime Green Line Mar 2020 #19
Report it to your local Postal Station. Aquaria Mar 2020 #36
Yes. Send to the Postsl Inspectors via your post office marybourg Mar 2020 #40
Going in person will work better. Aquaria Mar 2020 #43
I realized that after I commented PatSeg Mar 2020 #42
Infuriating. badhair77 Mar 2020 #16
So, did you call the Dem Party/your reps to tell them about this? irisblue Mar 2020 #21
I think this should be my next step. They can handle it far better than I could beastie boy Mar 2020 #24
Great idea, irisblue! Cha Mar 2020 #48
How Dispicable to get Anonymous Propaganda Cha Mar 2020 #33
If you have a local Nextdoor Neighborhood app to your email, you might address it there... Hekate Mar 2020 #41
This is okay as far as improving awareness Aquaria Mar 2020 #45
Yep. There are things the recipient can do. I only mentioned one. Hekate Mar 2020 #47
Rat Fucking worthy of Lee Atwater. BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #44
Putin's propaganda is starting early this year. It took until August for the "Hillary's sick" lie Hassler Mar 2020 #51

Response to beastie boy (Original post)

 

getagrip_already

(17,440 posts)
13. that's true....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:19 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie looks terrible in his speech. He is hunched over, grasping the podium, finger pointing with a shaking hand, and just reading a speech.

Joe was sharp, vibrant, and dynamic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
23. Thank you .
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:38 PM
Mar 2020

Yes! I see what Bernie's campaign staff was tweeting last week. This falls into right what they were saying.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musette_sf

(10,326 posts)
14. Seeing as the report is from South Brooklyn,
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:20 PM
Mar 2020

I'd say it's from the Rump camp, and not from Sen Sanders' followers. It's really, really rumpy in Bay Ridge. Been an R stronghold for many, many eyars.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
49. I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:58 PM
Mar 2020

There’s about a 50/50 chance of it being a MAGAt. The other 50% is that it is a BS supporter.

Some of the wording reflects what the loonier fringes of BS supporters have been spewing at BS-favoring sites like Raw Story.

And don’t say they aren’t BS partisans over there. They’ve purged nearly all of the commenters who were the strongest BS critics. Every article there is overrun with Bernbros, who aren’t a myth, no matter what some partisan hack claims.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
15. I doubt it.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:21 PM
Mar 2020

It stinks of Republican bullshit to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SamKnause

(13,806 posts)
22. Can you prove the statement you just made ???
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:36 PM
Mar 2020

Show me the proof it is from the Bernie campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
25. They peddled this stuff all last week.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:42 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
28. Look at the account Briahnna retweeted. Also Bernie on fox
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:45 PM
Mar 2020

talking about Biden's 7 minute campaign event



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SamKnause

(13,806 posts)
30. You have zero proof that anyone from Bernie's campaign put that in anyone's mailbox.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:53 PM
Mar 2020

I watched Bernie on Fox.

He didn't mention anything about Joe having dementia.

He mentioned his 7 minute speech and that was all.

He didn't badmouth Joe.

I don't give a damn about what someone tweets.

Can you prove Briahna Joy Gray put it in anyone's mailbox ???

Prove that anyone from Bernie's campaign put that in someone's mailbox.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
32. She's tweeting it putting it to his supporters to do whatever...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:57 PM
Mar 2020

They are THAT foul. The Tweet proves they're capable. It's a repulsive campaign and that is why he lost.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
29. That' right! They are that foul
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:48 PM
Mar 2020

and repulsive and it's why Bernie lost. She was called out about this and never deleted it. So spare me the excuses you want to give.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopdiggin

(12,840 posts)
34. not making excuses for Sanders supporters
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:02 PM
Mar 2020

(they deserve none)
But I'll strongly assert that you don't have any proof that THIS piece of work came from the campaign, or the Sanders camp. The Republicans (and whatever foreign allies) are perfectly capable of exploiting this kind of issue and division. In fact .. it's been a proven M.O.

So .. unless you saw somebody printing up these fliers ... The other side of the aisle is just as valid (perhaps more) as suspects.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

handmade34

(22,925 posts)
3. report it to USPS
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:12 PM
Mar 2020

it is illegal to do that!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SergeStorms

(19,312 posts)
27. If there's no stamp or cancellation....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:45 PM
Mar 2020

on it, it's illegal. There must be a return address as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
38. Uh, not quite.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:15 PM
Mar 2020

There doesn’t have to be a return address. Heck, there doesn’t have to be a clear mailing address for the USPS to deliver something. Every postal station can regale you with a tale about getting a letter delivered with no return address and a mailing address that reads, “the yellow house with the white picket fence by the fire hydrant.”

Because we delivered letters like that, more times than you can imagine.

It’s the POSTAGE that matters. You have that, or your mail piece gets booted, either back to you for returned postage, or to the dreaded dead letter facility.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
39. Also...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:17 PM
Mar 2020

The postage doesn’t need to be cancelled, either. Saw lots of mail get through to customers uncancelled. The carriers and machines don’t catch everything.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SergeStorms

(19,312 posts)
50. From the USPS website:
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 05:59 PM
Mar 2020

Write or print your return address and the address you're mailing to clearly in the correct spots to make sure your mail is delivered on time.

Calculate and apply postage.

Yes, the USPS will deliver letters that morons send to, “the yellow house with the white picket fence by the fire hydrant.” They don't have to, though.

My mistake was saying "illegal", instead of recommended. Have a nice day.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
4. Donald Segretti did this kinda' shite in 1972
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:14 PM
Mar 2020

Sending letters to D voters to say that D presidential candidates had mental problems, drinking problems, marital problems etc.

Don went to jail. Hopefully, folks disseminating this kind of sick stuff will too.

"Russia: if you're listening, I guess your psy ops on Facebook etc may not work as well in 2020 so perhaps you're now resorting to paper? Most folks have figured out how stupid your dictator for life's puppet is, so thank you so much for picking someone who exposes everything you do!"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
6. Chris Cillizza on CNN.com today writes about how Trump
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:16 PM
Mar 2020

and his surrogates are pushing the "Demented Joe" nonsense:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-mental-fitness/index.html]

The Trump team is now working overtime to question Joe Biden's mental fitness

Witness Trump campaign spokesperson Kayleigh McEnany reacting to the news earlier this week that Biden had canceled a planned rally in Florida due to coronavirus fears:

"They're saying they're canceling these rallies because of the coronavirus. No, they're desperate to get Joe Biden off the campaign trail. They would only let him speak for seven minutes last night. So they're trying to get him off. What better way to do that by saying, 'We're going to sidestep these rallies and public appearances. We don't want an audience to watch the debate with Joe because we know Joe is going to fall apart, an audience makes that harder as they laugh and snicker and whatnot.'"

(Worth noting: Within 48 hours of McEnany's comments, Trump events in Nevada, Colorado and Wisconsin were all canceled due to coronavirus spread concerns.)


McEnany will say anything to pump up Trump and hurt any of his perceived enemies.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(14,248 posts)
20. Let's put Joe and Don through a series of tests
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:34 PM
Mar 2020

mental, physical, and designed to test basic intelligence and knowledge.
I have absolutely no doubt who would win, and it wouldn't be close.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
31. I like to remind the traitor party putzes
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:54 PM
Mar 2020

That Biden could jog around the White House when he was 71 years old:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/28/barack-obama-joe-biden-run-jog-white-house-video

Meanwhile, Hair Furor at that same age couldn’t haul his fat ass 700 yards and instead used a golf cart to lug his blubber butt across it while European leaders took it on with ease:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g7-leaders-take-a-stroll-but-trump-takes-a-golf-cart-hhprv8r7b

So I’ll pit Handsome Joe’s fitness against the Fast Food Fatass, any fricking day, anytime.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(14,248 posts)
46. Damn, that's harsh
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:45 PM
Mar 2020

'blubber butt,' 'fast food fatass'

I love it. I bet the bastard would be in negative numbers on middle school Jeopardy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jeebo

(2,284 posts)
7. I think that person was violating federal law.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:16 PM
Mar 2020

I think it's a felony to put anything other than U.S. mail into a mailbox.

-- Ron

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
35. This former postal worker can assure you that it is indeed against federal law.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:06 PM
Mar 2020

Your mailbox is technically USPS property that only the USPS and you, as the mailbox HOLDER, are allowed to access. No one else is supposed put anything inside a mailbox, and even then it’s supposed to be mail being sent or delivered, or communication between you and the USPS.

Nothing else.

The penalties/fines can run pretty steep if the USPS decides to make a case of any unauthorized use of their mailboxes. We had a local HOA get into big trouble over putting notices in mailboxes without postage.

For some reason, that made a bunch of us postal workers very happy.

Can’t imagine why...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
37. Sounds like a Bernie Bro. Now they want free mail. lol. n/t
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:11 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. Someone committed a federal crime
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:17 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(49,725 posts)
9. Sounds like something Karl Rove would do
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:17 PM
Mar 2020

Maybe even worse. I wonder how many of those got mailed out. That is really disturbing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
12. Yep. Or even trump or other Russian stooges. nt
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:18 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
17. The weird thing is, mine wasn't mailed out. It was just stuffed in the mailbox, no envelope or
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:27 PM
Mar 2020

anything that could identify its origin.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
36. Report it to your local Postal Station.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:08 PM
Mar 2020

They don’t mess around with nonsense like that. Postal inspectors can be scary good at tracking down those who misuse postal resources. But they can’t help if you don’t let them know there’s a problem.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marybourg

(13,189 posts)
40. Yes. Send to the Postsl Inspectors via your post office
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:18 PM
Mar 2020

manager (in a sealed envelope)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
43. Going in person will work better.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:35 PM
Mar 2020

Ask to speak to the station manager, but settle for a supervisor, if you have no other choice.

My experience as a postal worker saw how showing up in person always got better results. It’s a lot harder to ignore the person standing in front of them than a scrap of paper over the transom, so to speak.

I worked at 7 stations over the course of my career. Not once did I see a mailed in or phoned in problem get addressed with the same care and diligence that an in-person complaint did.

Report it in person, if you possibly can. Phone is second best.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(49,725 posts)
42. I realized that after I commented
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:27 PM
Mar 2020

As others have said, that really is a violation of federal law. Would love to know who is doing it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

badhair77

(4,623 posts)
16. Infuriating.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:27 PM
Mar 2020

Are there security cameras? Was it mailed or just stuffed in mailboxes by someone who is not a postal worker? I agree with those who recommended reporting it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

irisblue

(34,281 posts)
21. So, did you call the Dem Party/your reps to tell them about this?
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:35 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
24. I think this should be my next step. They can handle it far better than I could
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:41 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,440 posts)
48. Great idea, irisblue!
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:56 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,440 posts)
33. How Dispicable to get Anonymous Propaganda
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:58 PM
Mar 2020

in your mailbox, Beastie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(94,698 posts)
41. If you have a local Nextdoor Neighborhood app to your email, you might address it there...
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:27 PM
Mar 2020

Ours has a smattering of everything from lost cats to strange people in the neighborhood, to house painters to the local health dept's bulletins on the coronavirus.

People worry about strangers. You might start by addressing this flyer as something that was stuffed into your US Post box illegally -- by someone who was too cowardly to sign their own name to a slander. Be on the lookout for a stranger messing with your mailbox!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
45. This is okay as far as improving awareness
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:44 PM
Mar 2020

But not enough.

Anytime someone accesses your mailbox without USPS or mailbox holder permission, your #1 response should be to notify the USPS. If it’s happened to your neighbors, too, have them report as well.

Let the USPS and their postal inspectors handle it from there. They are not only trained in how to track down jerks like this, but also the inspectors get paid to put themselves at risk to do it.

Be more aware of what’s going on in your neighborhood and look out for each other, sure, but know, too, when to call in the pros.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(94,698 posts)
47. Yep. There are things the recipient can do. I only mentioned one.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:54 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
44. Rat Fucking worthy of Lee Atwater.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 03:40 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassler

(3,687 posts)
51. Putin's propaganda is starting early this year. It took until August for the "Hillary's sick" lie
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:15 PM
Mar 2020

to start. Sadly, a pro-Sanders letter in my local paper this week used that exact language.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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