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We've been told over and over that Medicare for All is "too radical." (Original Post) Uncle Joe Mar 2020 OP
Nobody here disputes the value...we dispute the ability to win an Election on the issue brooklynite Mar 2020 #1
This pandemic may actually change attitudes about MfA. Frasier Balzov Mar 2020 #6
Sanders speaks truthfully, consistently. No one else like him. KPN Mar 2020 #2
Sorry, but...LOL n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #3
Why hasn't he been able to get any of his "consistent" proposals enacted in almost 30 years? But.... George II Mar 2020 #7
We do agree on this. nolawarlock Mar 2020 #11
There's NOTHING truthful about "there's no difference between the Democrats and the GOP". There's... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #19
So Bernie takes a very real crisis PatSeg Mar 2020 #4
John Dingell proposed "this" in 1943, and every year he was in the House. Jr. agreed and.... George II Mar 2020 #5
We have an electorate that is too ignorant to understand the proper term , single payer. Meadowoak Mar 2020 #10
Or some of us disagree with M4A without a private option ... nolawarlock Mar 2020 #12
Have I been asleep Cozmo Mar 2020 #8
My healthcare has been split between Medicare, the VA, and my wallet... TreasonousBastard Mar 2020 #17
what people hear: I'm gonna take away your health care. Medicare for those who want solves msongs Mar 2020 #9
Back in the day, we were told that Medicare itself was too 'radical'/'socialist medicine'. pampango Mar 2020 #13
That's all he's got? Did he hear Biden? Look, MFA may or may not be our... TreasonousBastard Mar 2020 #14
Still doesn't explain how Congress will vote for it treestar Mar 2020 #15
I think COVID-19 has killed any forward momentum for Medicare for All... brooklynite Mar 2020 #16
Only Republicans think universal heath care is radical. betsuni Mar 2020 #18
Switzerland rejects single-payer in landslide, keeps its version of Obamacare Gothmog Mar 2020 #20
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
1. Nobody here disputes the value...we dispute the ability to win an Election on the issue
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:00 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie has had multiple opportunities to sell MfA to the Democratic electorate, and he's failed to do so.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Frasier Balzov

(3,488 posts)
6. This pandemic may actually change attitudes about MfA.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:12 PM
Mar 2020

MfA could become an election-winning issue through a rather sudden awakening precipitated by the crisis.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(16,111 posts)
2. Sanders speaks truthfully, consistently. No one else like him.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:01 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
3. Sorry, but...LOL n/t
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:02 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. Why hasn't he been able to get any of his "consistent" proposals enacted in almost 30 years? But....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:25 PM
Mar 2020

...you're right, there is "no one else like him."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
11. We do agree on this.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:04 AM
Mar 2020

I've never seen any political contender with so many great ideals and yet so few great ideas.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. There's NOTHING truthful about "there's no difference between the Democrats and the GOP". There's...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:33 AM
Mar 2020
Sanders speaks truthfully, consistently. No one else like him.
There's NOTHING truthful about "there's no difference between the Democrats and the GOP". There's NOTHING truthful about "the Democrats are corrupt" or "the Democrats are feeble" or "the Democrats are intellectually bankrupt" or "the Democratic party is an absolute failure". There's NOTHING truthful about "the Democrats don't care about climate change" or "the Democrats focus too much on diversity". None of those things are true.

But you're right about being "consistent" that's for sure. Oh... but I can think of at least a DOZEN others just like him. He's not unique.

All I'm trying to say here is that it really serves NO good purpose for the lies and smears and attacks and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
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PatSeg

(49,725 posts)
4. So Bernie takes a very real crisis
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:08 PM
Mar 2020

and turns it into his stump speech, a speech we've heard over and over again. Right now, people need very real short-term solutions, not some future Medicare-for-All plan.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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George II

(67,782 posts)
5. John Dingell proposed "this" in 1943, and every year he was in the House. Jr. agreed and....
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:10 PM
Mar 2020

...introduced it every year HE was in the House, and his wife Debbie introduced it since she's occupied the seat.

The difference is none of them have used the faux moniker "Medicare" for all, which is a misnomer.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Meadowoak

(6,220 posts)
10. We have an electorate that is too ignorant to understand the proper term , single payer.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:24 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
12. Or some of us disagree with M4A without a private option ...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:05 AM
Mar 2020

… I never go to an amusement park without first checking if they have options to get me ahead of the line at the rollercoaster. If there's a way to pay more to wait less, I want that option.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
8. Have I been asleep
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:25 PM
Mar 2020

or has anyone addressed the fact that Medicare is a bureaucratic nightmare in it's current state. I am vehemently in favor of health care for all, it's a humanitarian right. But, as a recipient of Medicare for the past 10 years, I know that my health care needs are of no consequence to this governmental agency. Let's hear how bernie is going to fix this behemoth before he plans to offer it to everyone. Oh, that's right, bernie just spouts off without thinking things through.

Since being forced into Medicare, I've come to feel totally abandoned. When I attempted to report Medicare fraud perpetrated by my previous PCP, these bureaucrats made it very clear to me that they weren't interested and everyone did it. So much for high ideals, we're living in the wrong universe. bernie is not progressive, he's just a blowhard who doesn't have a solid, workable plan for any of his campaign rhetorical postures.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
17. My healthcare has been split between Medicare, the VA, and my wallet...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:28 AM
Mar 2020

There is a huge wall between Medicare and the VA. I just spent a week in the hospital under Medicare, and it was actually pleasant and successful although the bills haven't come in.

VA doctors cannot issue scrips valid outside the VA pharmacy and outside doctors can't issue scrips valid at the VA pharmacy. I get my pharms for a very low copay from the VA and this cause some small confusion with scrips from the hospital doctor. Since they were generic stuff, I ended up just paying the 50 bucks to save hassles.

That's just one example. Anyone who has dealt with healthcare has plenty of stories dealing with the various nonsensical barriers and inconsistencies that waste many small fortunes daily.

I cannot, in my wildest acid dreams, imagine how this "system" could be reorganized to something sensible in the MFA time frames put out so far. If at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(70,178 posts)
9. what people hear: I'm gonna take away your health care. Medicare for those who want solves
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:00 PM
Mar 2020

that perceptual problem

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pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. Back in the day, we were told that Medicare itself was too 'radical'/'socialist medicine'.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:41 AM
Mar 2020

Programs for average people usually are called such things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. That's all he's got? Did he hear Biden? Look, MFA may or may not be our...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 05:50 AM
Mar 2020

healthcare salvation, but it just ain't gonna happen.

Medicare is simply a billing solution, not a healthcare provider. And there has been no groundswell of support for upsetting close to a fifth of the GDP for something new and untested.

Yes, we need more affordable health care with better access, but MFA is a joke.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
15. Still doesn't explain how Congress will vote for it
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:19 AM
Mar 2020

Has he written a damn bill?

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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
16. I think COVID-19 has killed any forward momentum for Medicare for All...
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:25 AM
Mar 2020

There are two components to the argument:

1. Do Americans need health care that isn't provided under the current private/public system?

2. Do Americans trust the Government to be able to implement such a system?

The Trump Administration's response to COVID-19, especially implementing the testing protocol, has in my opinion, reinforced voter distrust of the Government to manage substantial policy programs. Arguing that Biden (or Sanders) would obviously do it better is rationally true but emotionally insufficient.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(27,258 posts)
18. Only Republicans think universal heath care is radical.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 06:29 AM
Mar 2020

Duh.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(154,590 posts)
20. Switzerland rejects single-payer in landslide, keeps its version of Obamacare
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 07:39 PM
Mar 2020



Swiss voters resoundingly rejected a proposal to move the country to a single-payer system on Sunday. Instead, the country will keep its private health insurance system, which looks a whole lot like Obamacare.

Two-thirds of Swiss voters opposed creating a state-run health plan in the national referendum. The issue was put to a vote after Swiss campaigners gathered more than 100,000 signatures, the threshold for getting a national vote; some initial polls in 2013 had shown strong support for a state-run system.

For a country with a relatively small population (8 million), Switzerland comes up a shocking amount in debates over American health care. That's probably because the Swiss health care system looks pretty similar to the one Obamacare sets up.

Since 1996, Switzerland has required all residents purchase coverage through an individual mandate. "If you move to Switzerland, you have three months to buy coverage and it's retroactive to your arrival," Aaron Carroll explains in his excellent video primer on the Swiss health care system.

Swiss residents buy coverage from private health insurance plans, who compete for their business. The average monthly premium for adults, in American dollars, was $329 in 2013. There are no pre-existing conditions in Switzerland; insurers are only allowed to vary premiums based on age, charging different rates for children under 18, young adults between 19 and 25, and adults over 25.
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