Sanders repeatedly show he has a chip on his shoulder with women. Sanders does not respect women and we see it often in behavior and what he says. He was the guy that didn't get it but thought he ought to and was pissed at women. Blaming women teachers as old B*'s causing him to fail in life.

Among white men. Before Bernie owned the white male demographic in 2016:

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that principled white men.

I finally figured out that that is what sets me off about him.

I just call him “mercy bernie “ in my head.

a personality that one might consider more stereotypically feminine.

The old man who tells us how it should be, ever explaining HIS reality, without paying the least bit of attention to us.

yep!

That sort of fellow?

he just creeps me out

The kind of a guy who would knock a girl up, then expect her and the baby to get by on welfare.

Just one of those guys always begging for mercy!

And then they left you.

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a woman could not win the nomination. Now, this was allegedly in 2018, after Hillary Clinton had both gotten more votes than Sanders and then more votes than Trump. So, why would he believe this in 2018 unless he really had a streak of sexism? When men are sexists, I think that women get a certain vibe from men, and perhaps women are getting it from Bernie. Also, this attitude makes sense to me:

At a Biden rally in Detroit last week, Mary Mckenney, 69, said that she hadn’t made up her mind about which candidate to support until the race narrowed to Biden and Sanders. Then, she said, her choice became very clear. “It’s not even that I don’t like Bernie’s ideas, I just think they can’t happen,” she said. “And I think if he’s the nominee there will just be more fighting and conflict. We need someone who can bring Democrats together.”

Also, some of his followers seek to dominate in all situations, including when it is completely inappropriate (like, for example, the booing). Those attempts at domination are often abusive (the sexist name calling at caucuses) and sometimes go to sick lengths (doxing followers of other candidates.)

Many of us have seen this behavior from men we have run from.

The reasons for this may be debated, but when they don't push the indicators aside, they are spot on.

You can't con a woman unless she wants to be conned.

(Kindly do not take that the wrong way. I do not mean it as an excuse for bad behavior)

This is one of the billion reasons why a person with a small amount of fucking common sense does not support such a person.

Forgotten, but not forgiven.

so maybe they like his sidekick Biden for similar reasons.

I'm a minority mid 30s male but this is a common reason why lots of people are ridin with Biden:

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He reminds me on a no kidding card-carrying communist professor my wife had in grad school. My wife was giving a presentation on a particular feminist theory and the professor interrupted her to tell she is not properly interpreting women's experience under capitalism patriarchal power structures. He didn’t see the irony. The students did.

He talks down to people who don't agree with him, male or female.

Benefited women, children and gays ... Medicaid for children, childcare benefits, after school care, anti-discrimination laws. Millions of dollars and millions of votes have gone to uphold pro choice issues. The Democratic Party drew people interested in the rights of women, children and gays.

For whatever reason, some people blame women and gays for taking away the Democratic success in advancing white working men’s interests. Implicitly, the emphasis on income inequality, anti-trade, has attracted men more than women. Bernie has unwittingly discounted other “identity” issues of the Democratic Party. Subliminally, I get a message that women, gays, and yes, minorities, have dominated the agenda and need to step aside for the more important economic issues that affect white men (as if income inequality were not a thing with women and minorities). When I hear that the Democratic Party has lost its way, is no longer the party of FDR, I hear two things, one good: we need to stand with labor; and one bad: male manufacturing jobs are a more important priority. When Bernie attacks Wall Street and insurance companies, he forgets that a lot of women work for Wall Street and insurance companies, with good health insurance and good pensions. Bernie does not value teaching, nursing, secretarial, banking, office work to the same extent as manufacturing. In short, not a welcoming movement to anyone whose job is not factory related. He makes us feel we are enemies. An otherwise strong feminist issue MFA sounds pretty hostile when he rages about taking down insurance companies.

has already fostered some change in a more progressive direction. Along with the changes Clinton made in her campaign some states do have free college today, a lot of states have raised their pay, added worker insurance.

With a Biden President the USA will still move in a positive progressive direction, thank the Gods.

And surrounding himself with other divisive people who share a scorched earth ideology.

*scorched earth party are the republican party*



“One of the things I do worry about sometimes among progressives in the United States,” he said, “maybe it’s true here as well, is a certain kind of rigidity where we say, ‘Uh, I’m sorry, this is how it’s going to be’ and then we start sometimes creating what’s called a ‘circular firing squad’, where you start shooting at your allies because one of them has strayed from purity on the issues.

“And when that happens, typically the overall effort and movement weakens.”

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time for a good cup of coffee

He and I are in the same age group, although he is a few years older than I am. The Silent Generation led the 1960s leftist political movements. Bernie is, and always was, part of that. Socialism of one form or another was a big factor in the anti-war, labor, and civil rights movements. That's where the thought-leaders of the day were situated politically. It was still a patriarchal movement. Feminists were mistrusted by that movement and many women moved away from it and found other directions to follow.

As a second-tier organizer and part of the anti-war movement in the Washington, DC area, one of the things that stood out for me was the male-dominated leadership of that movement. Men of Bernie Sanders' age ran things, pretty much. Women were relegated to lesser, supporting roles, almost entirely. I was a few years younger, and was also somewhat excluded due to my lack of experience.

It was a patriarchal movement. The shift to a less sex-based leadership simply had not happened yet. Some of the leaders of that time became less patriarchal in the following decades, while others maintained their disdain for women's points of view.

Bernie Sanders strikes me as one of those who did not make that transition. That might be why he doesn't have the full support of women in general. He remains a patriarchal leader in a time that is rejecting the patriarchy.

fight so hard to be part of Americas politics. IMO Hillary Clinton is an American Hero, she would have been an excellent president.

to take the lead in loose-knit organizations like the anti-war movement. They were simply rejected. I found it frustrating, to say the least. Puzzling, too.

Some of that attitude still exists among men from the Silent Generation. It's move visible now, and gets noticed more when it is part of someone's personality. I'm afraid that Bernie Sanders is one of those who didn't wake up sufficiently to the problem. It's still there in him, and reveals itself in his general attitudes and manner.

It's not a good characteristic for someone seeking the presidency, I think. Not now.

Of course neither has the character flaws like Trump does about women or skeletons in the closets.

Both men have shown they recognize past issues like un-equal pay for woman & regulating a woman's right to control her own body are unacceptable.

when we got involved in the antiwar movement. But we women quickly discovered that the only use for women in that bunch was to do clerical work. Somebody had to mimeograph those flyers decrying the "establishment," that is, the capitalist traitors to the proletariat, and it sure wasn't going to be those self-important, privileged white boys attending college on Daddy's dime.

but I was. I grew up in a household where my mother was the source of all good advice. Then, I hooked up with girls in school who were smart, outspoken, and capable of anything. Same when I went off to college for the first time.

One of my best friends in high school was a girl who became co-valedictorian with me. She ended up being a neurosurgeon, while I ended up being a writer. We still stay in touch occasionally.

So, when I saw the disdain with which the leaders of the DC anti-war movement treated the women who were involved, I was surprised and disappointed. It simply made no sense to me at all. I grew to understand what was behind it, and rejected it.

Fortunately, most men in that age group are aging out of positions of power and authority. Women are rising in the political power structure, although they still do not make up half of that power structure. Progress, but not enough.

Bernie remains locked into the thinking of too many men in the Silent Generation. Too bad for him.

which is my reaction to him. The ideas are good, which is why I was for Warren, who had plans for how to implement them.

My reaction to him is so visceral and negative. And strongly so.

These questions are always seem based on the premise that men/white people are the norm and we need to figure out why anyone - women, minorities, etc. - would vary from it.

Instead through of pondering why women vote so differently than men, as if they're going against the grain, I'm all for analyzing why men don't vote more like women.

I am certainly closer to him politically than I am to Biden, but there is something very off-putting about his demeanor.

It's on youe side and won't lie to you. Men don't often get it because they've not been subjected to it all their lives.

I'm a 40-year-old male, and I find his finger-wagging, arm-flailing, hectoring behavior extremely disagreeable and off-putting. To me, he comes across like a grouchy old scold. I'm not the least bit interested in giving him a Presidential soapbox from which he can harangue and berate the nation for the next four years.

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with the message, and there's a lot wrong with him as the messenger. Elizabeth Warren is far and away a better communicator of the progressive agenda. I think that's why some of Bernie's supporters find her so upsetting. She's butting into their idol's territory, and that can't be forgiven.

I only need to get screwed over once and I learn my lesson and trust goes out the window.

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...just because she has not appeared at more campaign events to bolster Bernie. AOC helped him out, but then they undercut during her reelection campaign.

one liked Warren...none liked Sanders. I disagree with OP in that endorsements like Rogan hurt Sanders with AA voters and women voters. He said filthy things about Hillary Clinton...only women candidates get treated this way ...and what about Cent...he has issues with women also. Sanders also supported (campaigned for) Heath Mello and Tom Perriello who actually voted for anti-choice laws...Mello in Nebraska and Perriello in the House during the ACA debate.

I should add that I have one son who supported Sanders in 16 and now. He is very sad...I feel bad for him. He likes Sanders policies but has taken flack from his fellow union people who don't want to lose their very good union insurance. Everyone who can will vote for the presumptive nominee...Joe Biden.

And then his patronizing and dismissive response to Warren confronting him... that wasn't a good-look for him.

that moment just crushed me. No matter how many of Bernie's ideas seemed wonderful, he no longer seemed wonderful to me after that.

I was Bernie in 2016 for the ideas

Of course I voted for Hillary in the general and was pissed at how she got screwed. I was also thrilled to finally have a woman to vote for that office.

My feeling this time was that I’m tired of old white men being in charge and I wanted a woman.

The double standard applied to our female candidates infuriates me. My own father told me Kamala was too angry. I had to explain to him that she’s tough and women our age had to be to get a little respect in this old man’s world.

I love Kamala when she’s kicking ass but my heart belonged to Warren and I voted for her even though it was clear she wasn’t going to win.

Now I lean Biden because I think he’s a much better manager and that’s what we’re going to need.

My 37 cents, I don’t think I’m alone here...

Thanks for articulating it so well.

Every man who spoke over me, every man who asked me inappropriate questions about my sex life, every man who thought he is smarter than everyone else.