Democratic Primaries

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts) Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:42 AM Mar 2020

On this day in 2016, Hillary led Bernie by an average of 11% - today, Biden leads by 19%.

And his lead continues to grow.

Bernie seems to be under the impression that 2020 is similar to 2016. It's not. Biden is dominating in ways Hillary couldn't head-to-head vs Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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On this day in 2016, Hillary led Bernie by an average of 11% - today, Biden leads by 19%. (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 OP

Do you think it has to do with Trump in office and the cumulative disasters he has wrought? nt delisen Mar 2020 #1

Yes. I think that's a big part of it. Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #4

Nice strategy mikeysnot Mar 2020 #2

A lot of people did tell Biden to drop out. Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author mikeysnot Mar 2020 #6

huh? Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #7

Sorry about that! mikeysnot Mar 2020 #9

As far as I am concerned, Bernie can stay in as long as he likes. Sloumeau Mar 2020 #5

YESSS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #8

What's his path? nt showblue22 Mar 2020 #13

Ummm the same path joe has? mikeysnot Mar 2020 #15

Not true at all. showblue22 Mar 2020 #16

re: "Bernie seems to be under the impression that 2020 is similar to 2016. It's not." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #10

11% was also dominating. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #11

You really know how to bum out the Bernie bros. dubyadiprecession Mar 2020 #12

And Hillary still trounced Sanders. joshcryer Mar 2020 #14

delisen

(6,467 posts)

1. Do you think it has to do with Trump in office and the cumulative disasters he has wrought? nt

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:44 AM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)

4. Yes. I think that's a big part of it.

Reply to delisen (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:51 AM

Mar 2020

I also think another big part is that Biden is clearly more well liked than Hillary (for various reasons), so, there's not as much a need for a second option. Sanders benefited greatly for the anti-Clinton hate that existed in 2016. He certainly has a movement, don't get me wrong, but it's clear that movement is only 30% of the Democratic Party at best. IN a head-to-head against a popular Democrat like Biden, who is offering a reassuring voice in uncertain times, it's much easier for the party to coalesce around him than Hillary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

mikeysnot

(4,773 posts)

2. Nice strategy

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:45 AM

Mar 2020

ask the other team in the middle of the game to give up just because NOW you're ahead...

Maybe Bernie should have done that when he was leading...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)

3. A lot of people did tell Biden to drop out.

Reply to mikeysnot (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:48 AM

Mar 2020

I can post the articles if you'd like.

The difference, of course, is that Biden kept saying, "wait until South Carolina...". He knew he had a wall.

Had Biden not won SC, or even if he had a very narrow victory, he might have dropped out anyway.

So, here's my question to you:

We knew SC was Biden's firewall - the state he was going to get things turned around (or not).

What's Bernie's?

Where's Bernie going to turn this around and actually make up the ground he's lost in delegate math?

If there isn't a state he can point to for that moment, then he doesn't have a viable pathway to the nomination and his playing this liek 2016 will only hurt the Democratic Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #3)

mikeysnot This message was self-deleted by its author.

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)

7. huh?

Reply to mikeysnot (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:59 AM

Mar 2020

When did I ever say I supported Bernie?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

mikeysnot

(4,773 posts)

9. Sorry about that!

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:00 AM

Mar 2020

Wrong thread, I got up and had two windows open... repsonded to wrong one...

Doh.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)

5. As far as I am concerned, Bernie can stay in as long as he likes.

Reply to mikeysnot (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:53 AM

Mar 2020

Watching Biden win each week is great fun for me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,558 posts)

8. YESSS!!

Reply to mikeysnot (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:00 AM

Mar 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!

Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

showblue22

(1,026 posts)

13. What's his path? nt

Reply to mikeysnot (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:23 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

mikeysnot

(4,773 posts)

15. Ummm the same path joe has?

Reply to showblue22 (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 10:28 AM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

showblue22

(1,026 posts)

16. Not true at all.

Reply to mikeysnot (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 16, 2020, 11:40 AM

Mar 2020

There is no way Bernie can catch up to Joe. NO way. It's deceptive and lying to voters to say otherwise.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

thesquanderer

(12,347 posts)

10. re: "Bernie seems to be under the impression that 2020 is similar to 2016. It's not."

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:15 AM

Mar 2020

I agree. On this day in 2016, Sanders was beating Trump by way more than Hillary was, today Biden beats Trump by slightly more than Sanders does, negating what was to me was Sanders' biggest 2016 advantage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

W_HAMILTON

(8,496 posts)

11. 11% was also dominating.

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:35 AM

Mar 2020

Hillary ended up with around 1,000 more delegates than Sanders.

She dominated Sanders as well, as has Biden now that the field has winnowed. Unfortunately, just like his being dominated in 2016 didn't force him out, I imagine that Sanders being dominated in 2020 won't force him out either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden