pays over 370.00...so hubs and I are looking at over 600 a month in Medicare in retirement..and seniors are already not able to afford Medicare.

need to be factored into cost comparison.

medical insurance represents.

It's implication is that the OP had posted for a nepharious reason of some sort. This is getting personal for no good reason.

As far as the purpose of this discussion forum, it doesn't make one bit of difference what personal affiliations the OP may choose to have. None of my friggin business.

The post has certain information that you are free to address, or not address. Don't take it out on the messenger.

People don’t realize Medicare IS NOT FREE. First off, one pays about 144 a month for WHAT THEY CALL PART B

Then if you don't want to go bankrupt(since medicare doesn't pay everything) if you really get sick you have to buy a supplemental policy called Medigap. Which doesn’t have dental or prescription drugs, if you want that you have to pay more.

So you're talking 200 to 300 hundred a month.

So, does Bernie calculate that fee in his program? I doubt it. Just making Medicare really free would be a great advancement. And would alone cost trillions, let alone adding all the whole country.

We can build on what we have and follow the Swiss.

...it is NOT the same as current Medicare. It would be financed differently. It would include dental and prescription drugs. Copays/deductibles/premiums are all either eliminated or greatly reduced. Among other differences. So while there are criticisms one could make about it, the ones you mention don't apply.

His actual programme is vastly different.

...to prey on uninformed voters. He also doesn't mention that people who are on Medicare don't get it free.

democratic socialist, which I have went on ad nauseam about in the past.

She told me how she went to a cheaper plan during open enrollment a couple of years ago, only to encounter a really unpleasant gatekeeper, so she changed back. The lack of dental alone drains what's left of her savings.

I woulda thought that healthcare would be free for all the Swiss, considering how much plundered Nazi gold their bankers squirreled away...

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/historical-book_from-nazis-to-refineries--how-switzerland-has-handled-the-world-s-gold/45037968

Poor investments, I guess.

So it can work better there. There are still differences in cost per person. It isn’t as predatory as our system. So while Obamacare was a step up, it wasn’t near the system we should have. Neither the Swiss plan nor Obamacare is any proof that we shouldn’t have a single payer system.

A deep-blue state’s failure to enact a single-payer system shows why a national version is unlikely to succeed. www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/opinion/bernie-sanders-single-payer.html

Link to tweet

They could have afforded it but never got the courage. All they needed to do it pass the tax plan to fund it.

The plan failed because it was a horrible plan that could not be paid for in the real world

It wasn’t implemented so we can’t say that.

No more from me in this dated thread. We obviously aren’t going to agree.

sanders failed utterly and completely to get his plan adopted in his home state. If sanders cannot get his magical plan adopted in his home state, how will sanders hope to succeed in the real world?

of the nation don't exist and Democrats could just pass anything we choose is bizarrely delusional.

The enormous obstacles of voter wishes, a very popular national healthcare system already in place and standing, unfinished, against enormous attempts to destroy, a replacement (!) system that's years away from even being written up as a bill and currently only a political wedge issue to run on, and the great RW power blocs aside, , it doesn't seem to occur that the latest big cases on their way to SCOTUS could generate decisions effectively declaring critical provisions in what would be the MfA, not just the ACA, unconstitutional.

Sanders refusing to talk about it indicates that he either doesn't know or doesn't care about why it failed, in a very homogenous state that had the political will to send him to the Senate twice.

Not a good look.

The plan fell apart because you have to raise taxes in the real world to pay for such a plan. Hypothetical societal savings are not tax revenues and cannot be used to pay for a plan

will make all that sort of talk irrelevant, and the GOP will be cowed into submission and will all suddenly support Bernie's plans in fear for their jobs...

I never took sanders to be a serious candidate due to sanders’ complete lack of any significant legislative accomplishments in the real world. I do not understand how magic works in the real world but I note that sanders has not increased voter turnout in the real world

Many of the best healthcare system in the world, like France or Germany have plans closer to a ramped up ACA than a system like MFA.

If the representatives in the small, homegenous population of Vermont that had the political will to send him to DC "didn't have the courage" do it, why are we supposed to believe that the representatives of a much more diverse and huge population will be "have the courage" to do so?

One would think he would be ready with the data and the proposed solutions to those issues on a federal level.

Instead it's usually a "Well look, I'm not going to speculate on something like that... but let me just say this if I'm elected, I know there will be an uprising to support me and the GOP will get on board with what I want them to do in order to keep their jobs..."

No - the Swiss infrastructure allows working people to NOT live lives of desperation.

Many here would consider it wealthy.

That's because of their infrastructure.

Response makes no sense.

Rather than a MFA thingie.

They obviously think so.

First Denmark tells Bernie to stop calling them socialist and next one of the nations he holds up as an example rejected his type of system.

I agree we need to imitate western and Northern European systems. Problem is, they are not the systems Bernie pushes.

I think I have defended it enough here. We obviously aren’t going to agree. Medicare For All is one of the legitimate options. It doesn’t have to be the only option, but it is a good option.

But I truly don’t think it is the best option to insure universal healthcare. And is the one I can see no way to implement.

I support Biden, which I guess I some minds make me a moderate. But Remember we all support universal healthcare.

I do not see you as the enemy. Just a ally who has a different opinion on the way to get to the place we all want to be.

Have a nice evening. And stay safe. I don’t know your age and not asking. But so many DU members are at risk. If I believed in prayer I would pray I never hear about a DU member succumbing to the virus.

And don’t leave. I know you are outnumbered here. But the party needs some leftward pushing in these times.

What else do you expect from a nation of bankers?