Democratic Primaries
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will not vote for Joe Biden. They never were going to vote for Biden, or any other Democratic nominee. Maybe even not Bernie, himself. That's just a fact. How many of them? I do not know, but some, certainly.
There are Jill Stein voters on Bernie's campaign staff. They are proud of that. There are Jill Stein and Gary Johnson voters among Sanders supporters, too. They are not interested in having a Democratic President, really. That is not what they want. They want a revolution of some kind, even if it means destroying our system of government to make it happen.
So, when you see the Sanders Campaign ad lying about Biden's attitudes toward Social Security, keep that in mind. It's not about making Sanders the Democratic nominee. It's about disrupting the 2020 election. That's their real goal. I don't know if that's Bernie's goal as well, really. Maybe not, but maybe.
Joe Biden's on a roll right now. But the future is unclear, due to the COVID-19 pandemic. We can hope the primary elections still take place, but some may be postponed. We don't know yet how that's going to go.
But, some of Bernie Sanders' supporters aren't really concerned with all that. They don't care about all that. If they can't have Sanders, they'll try to keep the rest of us from having Biden. Some of them. How many of them, I don't know.
Get to your primary polling place, please, and vote. Take your Purell and your disinfectant wipes and go vote. Stand away from other voters. Go early to the polling place or go during a slow time. Mail in your ballot if you can, but please vote.
Don't let the disruptors disrupt. Make your vote heard.
Biden 2020!
You Go, Joe!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,482 posts)Many of them voted absentee so they could avoid the polling places. Others say they are just going to suck it up, grab the purell and go for it. Most of my friends are 65 or older so it is a bit of a risk.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)My wife and I voted in an almost empty polling place. I suggest that people drive to their polling place. If there's a line, come back a little later. Voters seem to come in waves.
A couple of hours after the polls open is usually a good time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
frazzled
(18,402 posts)We had planned to go to the polls on Tuesday, but after hearing about poll closings (buildings refusing to host because of fear of people coming in), we went to an early voting place. Wore gloves, and hand sanitizer was available at the sign in desk for anybody.
Got an email from our alderman this morning encouraging people to vote early for these same reasons. Less crowding, less chance that your polling site will have been shut down.
ON EDIT: You can vote on Sunday, too, at least if you live in Chicago. Here are hours; locations at link:
March 2 thru March 16 - Early Voting & Registration at all 52 locations listed below
Sat., March 14: 9 am-6 pm
Sun., March 15: 10 am-5 pm
Mon., March 16: 9 am-5 pm (On March 16, the six "permanent sites" will remain open thru 7 pm.)
https://chicagoelections.gov/en/early-voting.html
Video on how to use new voting machines at early voting polling places: they're great. The demonstration begins later in the video, around 1:29.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)Many are communist, socialists, anarchists, radical and militant vegans and probably won't vote anyway. Ignore them. They are legends in thier own minds. They will return to thier Netflix, pot and tamberines. ( joking about the vegsns)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)Most probably just won't vote at all in November. They'll show us, dammit!
It doesn't look like there will be a noticeable third party candidate, really. Sanders says he won't do it.
So, let the disappointed and frustrated Sanders supporters stay away from the general election. Suits me just fine. If they can't see that Biden will be a progressive President, they didn't actually look at his policy statements.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(15,922 posts)are good Democrats, though. Even most of the socialists/communists will vote Dem. Its the people that want to burn everything down i.e. the anarchists who will vote Trump or stay home. Btw, whats wrong with a Netflix, pot, and tambourines?? I love all three.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,800 posts)for over 100 years, if not from the beginning. And Democrats are 100% responsible for starting it and preserving it. Not the Libertarians, not the Green Party, not the republicans. Not even the Communist or Socialist parties.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jayschool2013
(2,466 posts)"Btw, whats wrong with a Netflix, pot, and tambourines?? I love all three."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PolarPop
(18 posts)Posts like this only serve to divide.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ramen
(862 posts)I don't share it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DENVERPOPS
(9,967 posts)Erik Prince (Black Water) moles planted in all the Dem candidates administration. His darling Sister who is the Dept of Education grand Trump flunky has implants in the teacher's unions and teacher's organizations.
There are investigations going on, that have been going on for some months.........
Both are covert slime and work for the Koch uber wealthy crowd.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ramen
(862 posts)This comes up all the time these days. It's like the shameless repost that just won't die. So I'll respond to it in a similar way as when it has previously arisen.
1- I can offer is anecdotal evidence: myself and 100% of the Sanders supporters I know will be voting for Biden or the Big Bad Wolf if they are the Democratic nominee. You can put your mind at ease about that. This sour grapes / take the ball and go home thing you think that Sanders supporters desperately want to so would be simply fucking stupid, and I think most Democrats are not stupid.
2- If you are concerned about his supporters not voting Democratic: have you considered not calling them communist socialist anarchist militant vegan marxists?? If I were to guess, ai would guess they might find that divisive and insulting as well as profoundly inaccurate, and also necessarily self-contradicting (do you seriously think there is an anarchist wing of the party or even any shred of an anarchist movement in this country? If there were then it sure as shit wouldn't be Sanders who they thought was on their team, who wants socialized health care and increased regulation and taxation of international corporations etc etc) due to it being obviously divisive and insulting and inaccurate.
Can we just work together and maybe leave the hyperbolic name calling to the other side's idiots? Even just for a little while, maybe see how it feels?
Signed, a lifelong Democrat who has never missed a single vote and has also never voted for a non-Democrat
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
You speak wise words.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jim_S
(72 posts)between us. There are people on all campaigns who may be discouraged and not vote if their person loses. They are usually very few in numbers. Let's finish this primary season and then get the orange anal blister out of the Whitehouse. I read all the time here that it's Blue No Matter WHO. Let's do this. I'm in on BLUE
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KPN
(16,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DownriverDem
(6,648 posts)You aren't really undecided, are you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
safeinOhio
(34,093 posts)There are more than enough independents and republicans that are ready to vote for Joe to make up for the hard heads. I'm a Socialist and I'm voting for the anti-fascist person that is running. The big picture is what is important thing now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)who. Admittedly, a majority supporting Bernie will vote Biden if he is our nominee, but a healthy minority will not and are proselytizing for their defiant posture on social media. Almost twenty percent of Bernie supporters in Florida intend to vote for Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ramen
(862 posts)and are also starkly opposed to all markers of reality where I am in the world. What type of moron would not vote for the Democratic nominee in this situation?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)Sorry, no link. I also see supporters on twitter vowing to not vote ifBiden is the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ramen
(862 posts)group of idiots. It is really hard for me to imagine only 81% of Sanders' supporters voting anti-Trump. That seems unthinkable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)Stein voters for his campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,467 posts)for what his staff and surrogates do. BS is leading a scorched earth campaign specifically designed to damage the Democratic Party and it's nominee just like he did in 2016. In the immortal words of GW Bush,"fool me once shame on me, fool me twice...we can't get fooled again".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jim_S
(72 posts)Bernie did over 40 rallies for Hillary. All the tough facts to swallow are out there. She did not lose because Bernie supported her after the primary. We have to stop pounding this nail in our party.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)Right now, Bernie is running negative ads even though he has no path. Don't give him the benefit of doubt. The reason why he is doing it is not to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,648 posts)really undecided?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)However, we were there, see? We watched it all. We were here, too. Where were you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sanders told them was a great cause, insisting that all others were corrupt and that only he could lead our nation forward. Of course, he proves himself to be a very false leader by his constant attempts to deceive those who trust him and constant slanders of us all.
I hope that those who yearn to be part of an important movement can finally come to understand that mainstream, progressive liberals are always the leaders at the head of and the power behind virtually all advances, and sometimes truly great ones.
And in this era in our nation, we gather in the Democratic Party to make them happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
revmclaren
(2,613 posts)ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopdiggin
(12,841 posts)(by their own admission) voted 3rd party or not at all in 2016. (and a handful voted Trump). Those votes unquestionably provided the margin by which HRC lost the states, and electoral votes, that cost her the election. It's just plain math.
And Mr. Sanders, for whatever reasons, went out and stockpiled his campaign with these same third party supporters for 2020. Those two things don't look like any sort of "unity" effort to many in the party .. either then, or now. As the OP points out, people are now rightly suspicious of the motives and motivations of the candidate, and his supporters .. because, history.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)they said on another website after the election. How many, I don't know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(15,922 posts)Ive posted this on other threads but my gut tells me nine out of ten Sanders supporters will vote Biden in the GE. I have no evidence for this but thats my anecdotal experience.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)and the rest of us are sick of it. The silver lining is that this campaign ends him completely and he can go back to being a do-nothing Senator focused on the occasional renaming of a postal facility.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(57,601 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)a strong coalition and will beat Trump like a drum. Sander is done...put a fork in him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Progressive dog
(7,243 posts)Democrats need to get on the lifeboats before he takes us all down with him. Those who want a revolution are not Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LudwigPastorius
(10,828 posts)is just as bad as Mitch "Russia Boy" McConnell and all of the other GOP Trump enablers.
Such a person is too stupid to know that the first thing you should do when you're in a burning house is put out the fire.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BGBD
(3,282 posts)I don't worry when his supporters try to hold the party hostage on Twitter.
There is a lot of "We won't vote for Biden and he will lose to Trump."
I don't pay much attention to those folks because the ones saying that are most likely people who don't usually vote for Democrats anyway. They are either non-typical voters, third party voters, or even Republicans or Russians who are trolling.
Bidens path to victory is clear and it doesn't include converting Jill Stein supporters or relying on historically high youth turnout. It relies on increasing black turnout from 2016, winning suburban women, and closing the margins in white rural areas. That's it. That's how you win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)Things are changing fast right now. I think Biden will probably win going away in November. However, I say that with a bit of caution, given unforeseen things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(18,282 posts)...and how well did the Never Trump group keep him from being elected?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demigoddess
(6,675 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)Jill Stein supporters. Hell, they're running the Sanders campaign. I doubt they have changed their philosophies, either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(18,282 posts)...they are bored Magats and decided to hang out with that particular candidate. Im glad they didnt soil Joes campaign with their MALARKEY...we were too smart to accept them into our camp..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(70,652 posts)If they cannot vote for the Democratic nominee after everything we've endured individually and as a country, then they are in a point in their lives where it doesn't matter, and there's no point in trying to persuade them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DinahMoeHum
(22,489 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pepsidog
(6,311 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingLife
(46 posts)"They are not interested in having a Democratic President, really. That is not what they want. They want a revolution of some kind, even if it means destroying our system of government to make it happen"
You are quite correct. They did the same against Hillary, and would do the same against any Democrat. Some are paid influencers (read Russia via it's surrogates). Separately - many Sanders supporters will vote for the nominee, and many (like last time) will not, although I would not lump them in with the intentional disputers.
It's an Electoral College system, not a popular vote system. We need to will the middle to win the states we need - and we need to keep the African American voters and turnout. We shouldn't cater much to the farther left or we lose the states we need.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)But, i think we'll win WI, MI, and PA this time anyhow, so that's all good.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(15,922 posts)Ohio is a lost cause. But we definitely have a good chance of winning Florida and the three swing states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
McKim
(2,412 posts)Please give it a rest. This will not bring Sanders supporters to Bidens side. Many of these outliers will change their minds by November. I am a 74 year old retired migrant teacher who has supported Sanders, voted for Hillary at the end and who is ready to vote blue no matter who. I support Sanders for his ideas and what he wants to do for my former students and families in the Hispanic Community. Why arent we talking about bringing people together? Lets just come together.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)Sanders supporters will either vote for the Democratic nominee or they will not. For those who will not, nothing I write will make any difference. For those who will, nothing I write will discourage them from voting for the Democratic nominee.
I'm not someone who minces words, as people who know me will attest.
If you want to talk some recalcitrant Sanders supporters into voting for the Democratic nominee, please feel free to do so. But, please don't suggest that I not post what I want to say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)to #bendtheknee. Sauce for the goose, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)As long as he is still running negative ads, it's a free for all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
walkingman
(8,354 posts)Biden and might even vote for Trump tells me they have mental issues. Bernie should start after the next primary when it becomes clear who will be the nominee actively campaigning for Biden. This election is too important to lose to Trump simply out of what can only be called ignorance. Simply amazing to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)instead of Hillary Clinton. That tells me a lot. It indicates that there are those who support, or claim to support Sanders who are simply not Democratic voters at all. They have a very different agenda that we do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)The same from Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)This is not 2016. We know better. Giving his campaign concessions only hurt Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(57,601 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
patphil
(6,961 posts)First, I believe Bernie's camp has been co-opted with republicans who are just sowing anger and confusion.
Also, his base is loyal to a fault, and we aren't going to have much success in getting them to vote for anyone else.
Lastly, each of us is ultimately responsible for our own vote. We may be able to convince some other people of our choice, but, in the end, they are going to vote, or not vote regardless of our efforts.
Do what you can, but don't agonize about other people's votes.
We need to focus on the election and not get all stirred up about things we can't change.
Like those Italians singing from their balconies, be one voice that sings in harmony.
Make it a victory song!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mjvpi
(1,568 posts)Their plan is to amplify the discord in the Democratic Party. Anything that doesnt encourage party unity is a waste.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BluesClues
(14 posts)But this has happened before and we still won. 1 in 10 hillary voters went to McCain in 2008
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mjvpi
(1,568 posts)Currently Biden has 890 delegates. Sanders has 736. Warren has 72. Many Biden supporters that I know have cast a pragmatic not idealistic vote. There are really a lot of FDR progressive Democrats as proved by the numbers. Trump daily gives us all a reason to stick together. The primaries are the time to be idealistic not antagonistic. We synthesize our deferences in the platform. Then we kick Trumps ass.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)That seems sufficient reason for concern to me. I'd really rather not have a repeat of that, you see.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(15,110 posts)how horrible Trump has been for this republic and votes any other way but Democratic, is a) wasting their vote, and b) indirectly helping Trump.
Getting Trump out of office is Job 1. We've got to get that done. (well, maybe the virus will do it for us, in which case it will be Biden against Pence).
Speaking of that Mineral Man, if you have been watching these Trump pressers, as I have, it does seem as if members of Trump's criminal gang are putting him out there to look stupid, then following up with Pence, who, after listening to Trump's ramblings, seems relatively effective.
I'm wondering if there is the hope in that group that Trump will either catch the virus and die, or catch the virus and have it render him incapable of doing the job even if he lives. Then Trump can be removed and Pence can step up as POTUS.
Of course I have no proof, and while I'm not one to wear a tin foil hat, look at what is happening. It isn't just Trump on that stage. They are packing it so that Trump's bumbling incoherence is somewhat minimized and yet stands in stark contrast to Pence's quiet communication style.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)He has way less supporters than he did in 16 and like then a small percentage are cultist who are not Democratic voters.
Joe is showing respect but is also its apparent he is not making the mistake of Cow-towing to him.
In the midst of a national crisis the like we havent seen in 100 years the longer Bernie does his victim act rather than joining the Joe train to defeat trump the more pathetic his campaign will be viewed.
Ill be doing my part here in Florida on Tuesday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden