Our party will be fine if all of the true dems show up and vote. Please remember they have shown that they do not vote. I do believe they are all hat and no cattle.

let the door hit your ass on the way out

makes me cry.



makes me just so depressed people like these might take us to another term of TRUMP, THE MONSTER.

They want Trump to be able to run against Bernie, not Biden, so they'll amplify whatever crap comes from the juicebox revolutionary wing.

The thing to keep in mind is that lots of folks will vote for Trump in the fall for lots of different reasons, just about all of which have been discussed at length here at the DU. Just because some voters support Sanders but then prefer Trump over Biden should be no surprise - there are all kinds of people out there. Fortunately, their numbers will probably be insufficient to make much of a difference.

influence how I vote.

There is a subset of Sanders supporters who were never going to vote for anyone other than Sanders.

There's really nothing we can do about them, so we should focus on those we can.

If they don't understand the threat that another four years of Trump represents and would rather throw tantrums and stay home, they don't care about anything Sanders stands for.

Sanders supporters who vote for Trump aren’t even listening to Bernie himself. I have been unhappy about how some things have gone, but first we must get Trump out before ideological battles.

Also, I actually have liked some Jacobin articles, but now I will be sticking to Huffington Post and CommonDreams.

by a large margin.

We weren't able to get her election through the electoral college, not because of these creeps, a mercifully small minority of wannabe rioters. It was because of the many others who didn't vote, or voted third party or Republican, because people like Sanders and Trump lied to them that Democrats were corrupt and they had no choices worth voting for. Except Sanders, of course, but the evil Democrats had stolen the election from him.

I'd like to see people stop gratifying these creeps by imagining they have an importance and place in our election they don't at all. As we know, they're not us and they never will be. Furthermore, we wouldn't want them under any circumstances -- just look at how they behave following Sanders. If this rabble came to our neighborhoods trying to cause trouble the way they do on social media, we'd call the police on them.

Lookit... for the same amount of effort spent trying to console and flatter ONE "bro" and convince him/her to support the party (and with no guaranteed results come election day), we could instead spend the SAME amount of effort with NORMAL "get out the vote" efforts... and normal "grow the party" registration efforts. For that SAME effort trying to "save" one bro... we could instead bring dozens or hundreds of new voters to the party and into the process.

So... fuck 'em. Let 'em go. We don't have time for that emoprog bullshit. Welcome to the real world... it's time for them to grow up. Trying to blackmail the party with threats of "leaving it blank" or voting for Trump, etc etc... that doesn't work with me. I don't care. Do it.

If someone REALLY his hell-bent on being like Sarandon, or Krystal Ball, or Nina Turner... or anyone else who gleefully votes AGAINST the Demcorat... that's just one more idiot that I don't have to worry about. There are plenty more rational and intelligent and reasonable voters (or potential voters) who can take their place.

go after anyone else to get out the vote.

that they don't know who Trump is now.

Their votes won't go to Trump. That would just be masochism.

Biden has a new coalition.

We're not going to get the Jill Stein types no matter what.

They may be trying to scare people into voting for Bernie. The thing is, this kind of thing always happens. In 2008, some people who liked Hillary ended up voting for McCain when Obama got the nomination. It always happens. I would not worry about it too much.

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Wouldn't trust it to catch dog poop. You pick it up and put it in the trash only to turn around and see the poop is still on the ground.

We will tell people, as we always have, to vote their conscience and to make decisions based on the interests of all the world’s oppressed people

Most of them are probably serial non-voters anyway. My gut tells me that when all is said and done, 90% of Sanders voters will do the right thing and vote for Biden. If it’s any consolation, I know seven Bernie supporters and all of them are planning to vote for the nominee in the general election.

i feel the increased voter turnout in the GE will make up for the rabid Bernie followers, as is already evident in the primaries so far.

Trump maximized the "hate" vote. People that hate Hillary or immigrants or the idea of paying taxes. Those people will most likely stay with Trump.

Many people that would have voted for Hillary didn't vote, because they saw Trump as such a joke that it was inconceivable that he would beat Hillary. Their assumption was their vote would not be needed.

Like I wrote, I expect Trump to maximize the hate vote, but I believe that won't help him because of the flood of voters that want him out of office, those voters will not assume this time, they will surely vote. We saw that in Virginia, where some seats were lost in 2017 because people didn't vote, those people showed up in waves in 2018 and 2019 and changed the face of Virginia politics.

That sounds awful Trumpian to me. Damn the voters selections, we win or we set the house on fire.

This kind of story reeks of Russia meddling, designed to sow division in the party for the benefit of their Manchurian Candidate.

In any case, if true, I believe it is only the fringe element that would have such an attitude as to try to elect Trump over Biden.

If I am wrong, and they decide they want to self immolate over a lost cause, so be it.

ok, a small group of self-appointed intellectually/emotionally elite is going to try and force the entire Democratic Party to do their bidding, or else? OK, how bout this---If Bernie doesn't win the nomination, and doesn't enthusiastically campaign for and support the Democratic Nominee---then after nov. the democratic party pulls ALL SENATE COMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS! (think Steve "useless as tits on a boar" King) Bernie can still vote in the senate but will spend his remaining days contemplating his "revolution" alone! Your call Bernie bros

When he lost so many primaries.

of their bullying, blackmail, threats, tantrums, crybabying and so forth. I've had enough of them and HIM. They overestimate their importance. If there were enough of them he would be winning by a landslide instead of losing by such. They and he are attention junkies and I say again, ENOUGH.

And, enough of the 'we need them' meme, which is another form of scare tactic. We can do it without them.

If he isn't going to support the nominee he's a cheater. He should be immediately rejected.

It's telling that they think they can win by threatening us. Fuck 'em.

Hahahaha.

we are better off without those guys around.It is a very small group who will stop their feet and hold their breath anyway.

will support the Dem nominee because they have a functioning brain. But if you follow social media, you definitely see these supposed progressives who proclaim they'll never vote for Biden. And just like the guys in this article, they are fking idiots. They talk about voting your conscience and for your own interests...when the alternative is Trump whose policies are not only incomparably farther away than those of any Dem, he also attacks the accomplishments and improvements of former Dem administrations. They get mad about Biden only building on Obamacare despite his intention that everyone will be insured one day while Trump is trying to destroy it, taking away the coverage for so many.
How ignorant and selfish do you have to be to fight the person that agrees with you on many issues while happily seeing Trump getting reelected so that he can get 2 or 3 more SC judges.

But, boy, can they yell!

Bernie or Bust after the last 3 years is not a Democrat, a Progressive, a Liberal, or anything but a Republican troll or a Russian bot.

I hope his policies personally affect each of them the most.

Part of the reason for the long lasting divisions in 2016 was the fact that BS hung on so long after the 'writing was on the wall'.

are starting to remind me of Benito Mussolini.

He started off politics as a diehard left-wing socialist but couldn't make any headway and got himself expelled from the party so he did a total 180 and ended up as a full-blown right-wing fascist. Had much more success then...right up until the time his fellow Italian citizens shot him and hung him upside down for all to see and have themselves a good ol' time throwing stones at his corpse.

Gonna start calling these diehard Bernie Bros the Mussolini Minions.

can all FOAD and the world would be a better place.

IMO, there is little difference between them and Trump Magats.

Biden needs to respect Bernie, his supporters, the issues and do what he can to unite them with the core of the party. But these people aren't going to ever join this campaign. Focus on what can succeed.

They have a candidate who has a ceiling of 35% and they want to threaten the party if Bernie isn't given the nomination? Clearly these idiots are not really invested in winning. They just want to fight with the "establishment". There's no appeasing this segment of Bernie's campaign and I don't think we should bend over backwards to try. They will never negotiate in good faith.

and that his policies in general are far superior to Biden's. In a binary contest - and in practice it is absolutely binary, because only one of two candidates can win - this is the only rational conclusion one can reach, which leads me to the overwhelming certainty that this was never really about Sanders' policy offerings, but a cult of personality. The desire to feel part of a particular group or “movement”.

chaos in the Democratic party. There are a lot of undercover Trump supporters out there. Folks who like the tax cuts but don't want to be associated with the Trump stupidity nor with other Trump supporters.

So, you say you're with Bernie to gain clout with his "cool" supporters while damaging the Democratic party.