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Bernie Sanders @SenSanders: Minimum weeks of paid medical leave for workers: (Original Post) BeckyDem Mar 2020 OP
Min. weeks of paid medical leave for Bernie staffers after he loses: 0 nt Sloumeau Mar 2020 #1
This is false. I just checked the UK and Germany, neither have 52 weeks of paid medical leave.... George II Mar 2020 #2
Beat me to it. I just looked also, and Sanders is spreading BS. Hoyt Mar 2020 #4
The two countries I looked up have only a fraction of "52 weeks" paid medical leave... George II Mar 2020 #5
It's bad when we have to fight distortions within the party. If he starts this crud tomorrow, Hoyt Mar 2020 #7
Australia seems to be wrong, as well. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #13
Factchecking BidenBacker Mar 2020 #24
Could someone ask Sanders to provide a link. I don't think that data is correct. Hoyt Mar 2020 #3
It's grossly incorrect. George II Mar 2020 #6
Many replies in that Twitter thread pointing out how wrong it is. betsuni Mar 2020 #9
Do your own research if you're interested. Compare contrast. BeckyDem Mar 2020 #11
He prevaricated about 52 weeks in other countries, and that kind of junk is why voters are Hoyt Mar 2020 #12
United States: 0 0 0 BeckyDem Mar 2020 #15
No, the point is that although we need to improve our safety net, we don't need Sanders Hoyt Mar 2020 #17
Yea, he is so way off. lol BeckyDem Mar 2020 #18
He's not much better at counting delegates, either. Take care. Hoyt Mar 2020 #20
United States: 0 0 0 BeckyDem Mar 2020 #23
Roughly 70% of US workers have sick leave. Not great, but better than Zero. Hoyt Mar 2020 #26
There is no federal or state statutory minimum paid vacation or paid public holidays. BeckyDem Mar 2020 #32
But, Sanders still significantly distorted levels of sick leave that we might aspire to. Hoyt Mar 2020 #33
ZERO guaranteed by US government. BeckyDem Mar 2020 #36
It's wrong on at least three countries, and probably more. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #14
16 weeks in Norway, one of the more generous countries - not 52. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #28
"Do your own research"? He blatantly exaggerates (or lies, as an extreme) and WE have to research... George II Mar 2020 #16
Yea, its good to check. BeckyDem Mar 2020 #21
Well now, 6 months is 26 weeks, 3 months is 13 weeks... George II Mar 2020 #25
How far is 26 weeks from zero? That would be the USA. BeckyDem Mar 2020 #27
The problem is fact-checking. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #29
From a Biden supporter, ok. BeckyDem Mar 2020 #30
You're avoiding the fact that Sanders claimed that all those countries listed have 52 weeks... George II Mar 2020 #31
No. We have none guaranteed, any mistake is not the gravest error compared to ours. BeckyDem Mar 2020 #34
But he said that whole list of countries has FIFTY TWO weeks, which is "far from" true. George II Mar 2020 #37
Zero isn't a talking point, its a reality for US workers. I already said it is inconsequential BeckyDem Mar 2020 #38
52 IS a talking point and either an exaggeration or an intentional misrepresentation.... George II Mar 2020 #39
Was addressed, twice. Its relevant to you, and best to ignore 26 weeks, 13 weeks that we BeckyDem Mar 2020 #41
At this point she is arguing for the sake of arguing. William769 Mar 2020 #40
Yes, I see that. Thanks for confirming it (I thought it was only me!) George II Mar 2020 #42
Just wanted to save you a headache. William769 Mar 2020 #43
Huh. Aquaria Mar 2020 #8
Lol Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #10
Someone better "bern" the midnight oil and get their facts straight. oasis Mar 2020 #19
Is this a real account? ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #22
Sanders is being called out on Twitter for the gross misrepresentations there. highplainsdem Mar 2020 #35
K&R mvd Mar 2020 #44
1. No we're not. 2. If the new bill doesn't cover enough, perhaps Sen. Sanders can write and.... George II Mar 2020 #45
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
1. Min. weeks of paid medical leave for Bernie staffers after he loses: 0 nt
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:06 PM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
2. This is false. I just checked the UK and Germany, neither have 52 weeks of paid medical leave....
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:12 PM
Mar 2020

...probably not in many other countries, either.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Beat me to it. I just looked also, and Sanders is spreading BS.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:20 PM
Mar 2020

That is not to say we don’t need a lot of improvement. But, distorting facts won’t help.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
5. The two countries I looked up have only a fraction of "52 weeks" paid medical leave...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:22 PM
Mar 2020

He may be singling out maternity leave, not "general" medical leave, but even so I doubt it's as high as 52 weeks in most of those countries.

He throws stuff out and a large % of his followers believe it. Who does that remind you of?

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. It's bad when we have to fight distortions within the party. If he starts this crud tomorrow,
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:26 PM
Mar 2020

I hope Biden exposes this junk.

Sanders should have dropped out if he is going to resort to desperate BS.

Again, improvements are neede, but not based on inaccuracies.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
13. Australia seems to be wrong, as well.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:13 PM
Mar 2020

You'd think he would have someone fact-check this stuff.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
24. Factchecking
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:44 PM
Mar 2020

would reduce the rate of producing Tweets by 73%.

Or in the case of Trump 100%.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. Could someone ask Sanders to provide a link. I don't think that data is correct.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:19 PM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
6. It's grossly incorrect.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:23 PM
Mar 2020
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betsuni

(27,258 posts)
9. Many replies in that Twitter thread pointing out how wrong it is.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 06:08 PM
Mar 2020

It's absurd.

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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
11. Do your own research if you're interested. Compare contrast.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 08:02 PM
Mar 2020

United States

0 0 0


There is no federal or state statutory minimum paid vacation or paid public holidays. Paid leave is at the discretion of the employers to its employees.[182][183] According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, 77% of private employers offer paid vacation to their employees; full-time employees earn on average 10 vacation days after one year of service.[184] Similarly, 77% of private employers give their employees paid time off during public holidays, on average 8 holidays per year.[184][185] Some employers offer no vacation at all.[186] The average number of paid vacation days offered by private employers is 10 days after 1 year of service, 14 days after 5 years, 17 days after 10 years, and 20 days after 20 years.[184][187]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country


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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. He prevaricated about 52 weeks in other countries, and that kind of junk is why voters are
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:10 PM
Mar 2020

rejecting him. And supporters appear to be doubling down on his BS.

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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
15. United States: 0 0 0
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:20 PM
Mar 2020

That is the point. I'll leave you to be inflamed about the rest.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. No, the point is that although we need to improve our safety net, we don't need Sanders
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:30 PM
Mar 2020

— or any other candidate — lying to us to get it done, or being so unaware to distort truth.

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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
18. Yea, he is so way off. lol
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:37 PM
Mar 2020

ok

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. He's not much better at counting delegates, either. Take care.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:38 PM
Mar 2020
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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
23. United States: 0 0 0
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:41 PM
Mar 2020

Bye

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. Roughly 70% of US workers have sick leave. Not great, but better than Zero.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:46 PM
Mar 2020
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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
32. There is no federal or state statutory minimum paid vacation or paid public holidays.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:55 PM
Mar 2020

Not great is correct, and what is given is a pittance compared to other governments.

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
33. But, Sanders still significantly distorted levels of sick leave that we might aspire to.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:58 PM
Mar 2020
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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
36. ZERO guaranteed by US government.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:03 PM
Mar 2020

Have a good night.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
14. It's wrong on at least three countries, and probably more.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:13 PM
Mar 2020

He really should have people fact-check this stuff before posting it.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,903 posts)
28. 16 weeks in Norway, one of the more generous countries - not 52.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:49 PM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
16. "Do your own research"? He blatantly exaggerates (or lies, as an extreme) and WE have to research...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:22 PM
Mar 2020

....the true facts?

That's not how it works, BeckyDem.

If he's going to give a list of countries that have 52 weeks of "paid medical leave" (anyone find it coincidental that they're ALL identical at 52 weeks?) the least he could do is provide the source of that information.

Lacking that, it leads one to believe that it's untrue.

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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
21. Yea, its good to check.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:39 PM
Mar 2020

Availability of paid leave 32 of 34 OECD countries guarantee paid leave for personal illness.oThe United States and the Republic of Korea are the only OECD countries that do not guarantee paid leave for personal illness.•Duration of paid leave:28 of 34 OECD countries provide at least 6 months of paid leave for personal illness.29 of 34 OECD countries provide at least 3 months of paid leave for personal illness.•Wage replacement rate

https://www.worldpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/WORLD%20Report%20-%20Personal%20Medical%20Leave%20OECD%20Country%20Approaches_0.pdf

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George II

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25. Well now, 6 months is 26 weeks, 3 months is 13 weeks...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:45 PM
Mar 2020

....26 weeks is half of 52 weeks, and 13 weeks is one-quarter of 52 weeks.

So where did that long list of countries with "52 weeks" come from?

I'll anxiously await an answer from you or, better yet, Senator Sanders.

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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
27. How far is 26 weeks from zero? That would be the USA.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:48 PM
Mar 2020

Is that really the trouble, 52 versus 26, or 13? hmmm

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
29. The problem is fact-checking.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:53 PM
Mar 2020

You clearly don't have a problem with all of the errors in the data, but it makes the campaign look like they couldn't be bothered to fact-check.

Maybe that's why they can't figure out that the campaign is over.

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BeckyDem

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30. From a Biden supporter, ok.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:53 PM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
31. You're avoiding the fact that Sanders claimed that all those countries listed have 52 weeks...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:54 PM
Mar 2020

...of paid medical leave.

Doesn't it bother you that he blatantly misrepresented (resisting saying "lied&quot the duration of paid medical leave?

Turning your comment around, 13 or 26 is NOT 52, that doesn't trouble you?

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BeckyDem

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34. No. We have none guaranteed, any mistake is not the gravest error compared to ours.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:02 PM
Mar 2020

We are far behind, we guarantee ZERO. Private sector is horrible as well, far from adequate.

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George II

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37. But he said that whole list of countries has FIFTY TWO weeks, which is "far from" true.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:14 PM
Mar 2020

Why don't you acknowledge that instead of the "zero" talking point?

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BeckyDem

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38. Zero isn't a talking point, its a reality for US workers. I already said it is inconsequential
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:20 PM
Mar 2020

imo regarding the exact figures and why. 26 weeks, 13 weeks? Take the most conservative figures and we are no where near that.
If you really believe the United States now looks so much better with those figures, then please, feel free to enjoy your achievement in outing Bernie Sanders.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
39. 52 IS a talking point and either an exaggeration or an intentional misrepresentation....
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:22 PM
Mar 2020

....for some reason you're unwilling to address that, so I guess we're done here.

Have a great evening.

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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
41. Was addressed, twice. Its relevant to you, and best to ignore 26 weeks, 13 weeks that we
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:28 PM
Mar 2020

do not have by any stretch of figures. Zero guaranteed by US government.

Have a great night.

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William769

(55,830 posts)
40. At this point she is arguing for the sake of arguing.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:22 PM
Mar 2020

That's their MO.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
42. Yes, I see that. Thanks for confirming it (I thought it was only me!)
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:29 PM
Mar 2020
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William769

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43. Just wanted to save you a headache.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:34 PM
Mar 2020
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Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
8. Huh.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:46 PM
Mar 2020

If only there were a way for him to make that happen. You know, a way to write down everything he wants done--and then a place where he can try to get other people to agree to do something about it!

Why is he always screeching about what he wants done, but never DOING anything about it himself? Sheesh, 30 years in DC, and you'd think he'd figure out how that works. Statesmen create legislation and then build the coalitions to get it passed.

Ah. Now I see the problem. Working with others to get things done. You can't just yell about wanting it and then yelling even more when people don't jump to obey.

Funny how that works.

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oasis

(51,705 posts)
19. Someone better "bern" the midnight oil and get their facts straight.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:37 PM
Mar 2020
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ismnotwasm

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22. Is this a real account?
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:40 PM
Mar 2020
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highplainsdem

(52,392 posts)
35. Sanders is being called out on Twitter for the gross misrepresentations there.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:03 PM
Mar 2020

I don't know why he thought posting incorrect data would help his cause.

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mvd

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44. K&R
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 10:34 PM
Mar 2020

We are way behind. Unfortunately the new bill doesn’t cover enough, but I blame the a Republicans for that.

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George II

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45. 1. No we're not. 2. If the new bill doesn't cover enough, perhaps Sen. Sanders can write and....
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 11:13 PM
Mar 2020

...introduce a better one. Unfortunately that hasn't happened.

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