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Why Amazon paid no 2018 US federal income tax
Published Thu, Apr 4 20196:10 AM EDT
Andrew Davis
How Amazon paid $0 federal income tax in 2018
In 2018, Amazon paid $0 in U.S. federal income tax on more than $11 billion in profits before taxes. It also received a $129 million tax rebate from the federal government.
Amazons low tax bill mainly stemmed from the Republican tax cuts of 2017, carryforward losses from years when the company was not profitable, tax credits for massive investments in R&D and stock-based employee compensation.
Jeff Bezos company is not the only corporation getting money back from the federal government. For example, General Motors also reported a net federal income tax benefit in 2018. This also isnt exactly a brand-new trend. Companies as diverse as Southwest Airlines and Goldman Sachs have also reported similar benefits in certain years since 2008.
In a statement to CNBC, an Amazon spokesperson said, Amazon pays all the taxes we are required to pay in the U.S. and every country where we operate, including paying $2.6 billion in corporate tax and reporting $3.4 billion in tax expense over the last three years. The statement also mentioned Amazons investment and job creation in the United States.
This issue came front and center on a local and state level in New York during the saga of Amazons HQ2 hunt with a groundswell of local opposition scuttling the deal.
All this begs the question: Does America have a corporate income tax problem?
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/03/why-amazon-paid-no-federal-income-tax.html
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TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)A whopping 1.2%.
And another $914 million deferred to a later date.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/amazon-had-to-pay-federal-income-taxes-for-the-first-time-since-2016.html
Sanders is probably referring to 2018.
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BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Of course, $162 million is still just a fraction of the $13.9 billion in pre-tax income Amazon reported for 2019 roughly 1.2%, in fact.
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TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)Sanders should update his numbers.
"roughly 1.2%"
Yes, that was noted in my post.
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George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....he never says which kind of tax.
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TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,800 posts)is very common in the hospital industry. Not just for when people are sick, but other times they need to be off work for awhile also.
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Mr.Bill
(24,800 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)dependent on the charity of others. Bezos and the Whole Foods CEO should be condemned for even suggesting it.
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Mr.Bill
(24,800 posts)I just think it's a nice thing to do for a friend. There is nothing wrong with that and to say someone should be condemned for suggesting it is mean spirited. There is nothing wrong with charity. The government is not going to do everything for you.
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BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Not unless it is demanded from them, and there is everything wrong with making excuses for it. They will continue to increase the profits of people like Bezos, without workers rights, that is the government doing everything against you.
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Mr.Bill
(24,800 posts)This is why your candidate is losing big time.
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BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Have a great day.
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George II
(67,782 posts)...the last company I worked for before I retired allowed employees to trade sick time for vacation time - two days for one vacation day.
When talking about "paid leave" Senator Sanders isn't one to speak - he's worked in his job as Senator only five days since last JUNE (that's almost nine months) while collecting his full pay and benefits.
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TexasTowelie
(116,829 posts)I had a lot of sick leave built up when I was younger so I was glad to donate PTO when one of my colleagues developed kidney problems.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,515 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....speaking engagements. By law he couldn't get any of the ticket revenues, but the promoter offered a free Sanders book to everyone who bought a ticket.
He also ran a promotion himself several months ago offering a free book for a donation to his campaign.
Who paid for those books? Who received royalties on those book sales?
No, this is NOT "lol"-worthy.
As for the initial premise to which you responded, Sanders sells all his books on Amazon, as well as his campaign selling dozens of other campaign trinkets - hats, tshirts, mugs, stickers, magnets, lawn signs, bobble-head dolls, even chia pets!
Amazon is bad, except when it isn't.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,515 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(14,322 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hughee99
(16,113 posts)republican bill, but what were their taxes BEFORE that bill? According to this, it looks like they weren't paying much before, either.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/16/amazon-paid-no-federal-taxes-billion-profits-last-year/
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BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Studies show that many corporations rarely paid the 35 percent rate under the old tax code. Over the years, companies found many ways to cut their tax bills, from sheltering foreign earnings in low-tax countries and banking credits for money spent on research and development to deducting the expense of stock options for executives.
https://publicintegrity.org/inequality-poverty-opportunity/taxes/trumps-tax-cuts/you-paid-taxes-these-corporations-didnt/
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NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)In the development stage, Amazon had amassed billions in losses which can be legally carried forward 15 years as "Net Operating Loss" carryovers or NOL.
They are entitled to the deduction which wiped out their current year income.
Next year, they won't have that deduction and they will pay like every other corporation.
This is much ado about nothing -- only to enrage revolutionaries.
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BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)If a poor person opened a hot dog stand and lost $500 in first year and made $500 the next year, the losses are still allowed to be deducted and that person will pay $0 in taxes as well.
I don't see how that is any different. I don't hate the rich who abide by the law.
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BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)to disallow deductions which are allowed for the rest?
It will be challenged in courts and you'll lose.
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BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasBushwhacker
(20,680 posts)for C corps.
I don't have a problem with tax credits in all cases, but I do have a problem with refundable tax credits for corporations that pay no federal income tax.
These big corporations are protected by our military, use our infrastructure and in some cases their low and/or part time wages are subsidized by the taxPAYERS in the form of SNAP, Medicaid and subsidized housing. If you have billions in profits, pay some income taxes dammit.
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beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)in the House or the Senate?
EVER???
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