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NEW: @JoeBiden 's campaign announces that in addition to endorsing (Original Post) William769 Mar 2020 OP
That's the way to do it. We don't need to pay the tuition debt of rich people who send... George II Mar 2020 #1
Amen to this. nt DURHAM D Mar 2020 #2
Good! sensible and progressive plan. No we don't need to pay for the rich. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #4
... William769 Mar 2020 #5
Dayum. I like this! sheshe2 Mar 2020 #9
Correct. And many of those schools already don't give loans to people from families at that level. pnwmom Mar 2020 #17
This! mcar Mar 2020 #40
Biden adopting Warren's plans is S M A R T. blm Mar 2020 #3
KR!! TY, William! Cha Mar 2020 #6
That's how it's done: adopt the best, most popular plans from your opponents (like Warren/Sanders) andym Mar 2020 #7
are you having a sad? William769 Mar 2020 #8
No. I'm happy! andym Mar 2020 #12
In an optimal world, that's what I think we were all hoping I45 would do. forgotmylogin Mar 2020 #31
Adopting the best plans no matter the origin is a sign of leadership andym Mar 2020 #33
That is great Hav Mar 2020 #10
I love this! sheshe2 Mar 2020 #11
Wouldn't it be ironic Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #13
Free is bad bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #14
Simple! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #15
Diplomas can be earned without knowledge or skills bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #18
I remember how much work it was to get through 4 years of college. patphil Mar 2020 #26
Depending on the college/university... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #37
Even 300-500 is a lot Hav Mar 2020 #16
They'll be lobbying for the next freebee bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #24
Like you said, it won't be free Hav Mar 2020 #38
I worked all through college and comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #41
Ask the Danes about that. paleotn Mar 2020 #30
In a way, Bernie is winning. degage Mar 2020 #19
If you say so. Welcome to DU William769 Mar 2020 #20
I'm trying to be positive and upbeat. degage Mar 2020 #25
I'm all for unity, but there's also going a bit far with the truth. William769 Mar 2020 #27
Very true. zonkers Mar 2020 #22
I said several months ago, that in a way, Bernie is a victim of his own success. bullwinkle428 Mar 2020 #34
It has been the Democratic plan for a long time. LizBeth Mar 2020 #36
Joe's looking to gather in the whole party. patphil Mar 2020 #21
Bringing in the base! PatrickforO Mar 2020 #23
This is why Elizabeth Warren supporters like me are voting for Biden. FM123 Mar 2020 #28
Thank you, FM123! calimary Mar 2020 #39
No thanks necessary, we are all in this together! FM123 Mar 2020 #43
Go go Joe!! Politicub Mar 2020 #29
Wonderful.... paleotn Mar 2020 #32
I can easily get behind this. For all the folks who asserted I don't live in the real world for ramen Mar 2020 #35
Well, warmfeet Mar 2020 #42
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. That's the way to do it. We don't need to pay the tuition debt of rich people who send...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:30 PM
Mar 2020

...their children to Harvard or Yale.

And if there's an interest in forgiving outstanding debt, it should be done with an agreement by the student to do a certain amount of public service.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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emmaverybo

(8,147 posts)
4. Good! sensible and progressive plan. No we don't need to pay for the rich.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:35 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(87,075 posts)
9. Dayum. I like this!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:41 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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pnwmom

(109,466 posts)
17. Correct. And many of those schools already don't give loans to people from families at that level.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:41 PM
Mar 2020

They just give them grants.

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mcar

(43,380 posts)
40. This!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:47 PM
Mar 2020

As HRC said, why should taxpayers pay for Bill Gates' kids to go to college?*

*before anyone replies to say that rich kids don't go to public college, look at the high-profile folks who are facing jail time for that college admissions scam. Many were getting their kids into public colleges. Also, I live in Florida. My husband teaches at our local IB school. Most of these kids could get into Ivy League schools but they want UF - and many of those kids have parents who could afford any school for their kids.

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blm

(113,763 posts)
3. Biden adopting Warren's plans is S M A R T.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:32 PM
Mar 2020

Sounds like Warren is STILL finding the way to get shut done! That’s what authentic progressive DOers do.

Biden needed to make this embrace of solid progressive ideas from Warren and Sanders.

Now, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sanders endorses him after the debate.

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Cha

(304,721 posts)
6. KR!! TY, William!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:37 PM
Mar 2020

And, Joe Biden!

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andym

(5,619 posts)
7. That's how it's done: adopt the best, most popular plans from your opponents (like Warren/Sanders)
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:37 PM
Mar 2020

to grow/unify support and make a better America. I'm particularly happy about the college plan because more Americans should have the opportunity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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William769

(55,783 posts)
8. are you having a sad?
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:40 PM
Mar 2020

Cheer up, it's on to November!

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andym

(5,619 posts)
12. No. I'm happy!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:08 PM
Mar 2020

the better the policies the better our lives.

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forgotmylogin

(7,668 posts)
31. In an optimal world, that's what I think we were all hoping I45 would do.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:02 PM
Mar 2020

Be the figurehead, but have good people on the job. You'd think he'd be good at that, having had a TV show and all...

...but then again I guess he's used to firing everyone who works for him one by one.

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Undecided
 

andym

(5,619 posts)
33. Adopting the best plans no matter the origin is a sign of leadership
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:06 PM
Mar 2020

Biden is showing impressive leadership by adopting versions of Warren's plans that also resonate with Sander's ideas. Biden does not suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome, which characterizes other politicians.

Trump on the other hand is a complete partisan hack who really had no plans but plays to his Fox News hypnotized audience of which he is a member.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
10. That is great
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:43 PM
Mar 2020

I was at first wondering how it can be implemented until I saw it's for public colleges and universities. Realistically, that is the only way government can make affordable and free college possible. You just cannot cover any sum that private institutions would demand.
I'm not sure about the fees for public colleges/universities, but even above 125k families might have problems paying for their kids' education. But it would be a great change and a step towards the right direction without a doubt. That is progress.

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sheshe2

(87,075 posts)
11. I love this!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:43 PM
Mar 2020


Reality based.
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Mr.Bill

(24,743 posts)
13. Wouldn't it be ironic
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:08 PM
Mar 2020

if Bernie asked him how he was going to pay for it?

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bucolic_frolic

(46,614 posts)
14. Free is bad
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:27 PM
Mar 2020

$3-500 a month as a co-pay is doable. Make it affordable.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. Simple!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:36 PM
Mar 2020


It's also an incentive to buckle-down and study.

If it's free-free, will students just coast through and not worry about failing... only to try again and again (at no cost) until they get it right?

Will there still be an admissions standards... or will any kid with a "diploma" who was pushed through with social promotions and advancement be allowed to attend?

These are valid questions.
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bucolic_frolic

(46,614 posts)
18. Diplomas can be earned without knowledge or skills
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:42 PM
Mar 2020

Mine was.

I suspect the effect of all this free will be a further bifurcated education system. Private colleges vs public colleges, 2 year vs 4 year.

We have more educated people who never realize their potential than anywhere else, I suspect.

It's all about specific skills that employers will value and careers that motivate or matter.

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patphil

(6,889 posts)
26. I remember how much work it was to get through 4 years of college.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:52 PM
Mar 2020

Not many kids are going to do that for a free-free.
It's a huge investment in time.
But, it will take the financial worry out of the equation.
And,I don't think admission standards will be lowered. Colleges always get paid, it's just the source of the money that could change.
What does the college care if the money comes from the government, a financial institution, or parents?

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
37. Depending on the college/university...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:27 PM
Mar 2020

... I guess some care about their reputation and status and prestige.

And,I don't think admission standards will be lowered.
I hope not.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
16. Even 300-500 is a lot
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:41 PM
Mar 2020

if you don't have a job which is the case for many students. I'd suppose very few students have a job that pays for this fee, rent and food. And they shouldn't really, they should be full time students.
But once they are finished, they'll hopefully pay it back for the next generation with their taxes.

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bucolic_frolic

(46,614 posts)
24. They'll be lobbying for the next freebee
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:49 PM
Mar 2020

Tired of hearing how they should get it all free so they can get on with their lives, which means consumerism, SUV, McMansion, vacations.

It wasn't free for me. I would have gotten a good education if it had been. I don't want to sound like a Republican, but enabling people to use the government for free big ticket items that enrich their lives is a lot like Corporate Socialism.

Nothing is free. Someone pays for everything. Behind these free education ideas is the labor of non-college educated workers who pay taxes and will reject these proposals. They might like it free for their kids, but many are older, or have small or no family.

Taxpayers already pay for K-12. Now we're gonna go for 13-16? How about 16-18, and 19-22?

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
38. Like you said, it won't be free
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:39 PM
Mar 2020

It's just that they'll pay for it with a delay once they have a job thanks to the education they received. It's an investment by the country in its citizens who will ideally pay back that goodwill.
You are right, some will pay for it who don't benefit directly from it. That could be said for pretty much all tax expenditures. With these kind programs, you can always point out a degree of unfairness when something is geared towards an advantage for the society as a whole that might never reach the individual.

I still think it's a good thing to make higher education accessible to as many as possible but the way it's done is certainly a matter where opinions differ.

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comradebillyboy

(10,424 posts)
41. I worked all through college and
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:24 PM
Mar 2020

if I wasn't making adequate progress to graduate in four years I would have been drafted. Oh well I got drafted right after I graduated.

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paleotn

(19,034 posts)
30. Ask the Danes about that.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:01 PM
Mar 2020

They'll probably disagree with you.

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degage

(103 posts)
19. In a way, Bernie is winning.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:42 PM
Mar 2020

For all the Sanders supporters, you can think of these moves as one way Bernie is winning. He is successfully pushing the agenda to the left. I hope that will help more Sanders supporters get on board with Biden if he becomes the nominee.

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William769

(55,783 posts)
20. If you say so. Welcome to DU
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:43 PM
Mar 2020
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degage

(103 posts)
25. I'm trying to be positive and upbeat.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:50 PM
Mar 2020

We need unity. The single most important thing on Nov 3 is to beat Trump AND McConnell.

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William769

(55,783 posts)
27. I'm all for unity, but there's also going a bit far with the truth.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:56 PM
Mar 2020

I'm still not seeing any unity from the Sanders side.

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bullwinkle428

(20,640 posts)
34. I said several months ago, that in a way, Bernie is a victim of his own success.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:08 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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LizBeth

(10,674 posts)
36. It has been the Democratic plan for a long time.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:22 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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patphil

(6,889 posts)
21. Joe's looking to gather in the whole party.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:44 PM
Mar 2020

I like what he's doing here.

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PatrickforO

(15,097 posts)
23. Bringing in the base!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:45 PM
Mar 2020

Good job, Joe. We all have to work together.

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FM123

(10,111 posts)
28. This is why Elizabeth Warren supporters like me are voting for Biden.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:56 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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calimary

(84,021 posts)
39. Thank you, FM123!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:46 PM
Mar 2020

Happy to hear that!

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FM123

(10,111 posts)
43. No thanks necessary, we are all in this together!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 07:07 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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paleotn

(19,034 posts)
32. Wonderful....
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:06 PM
Mar 2020

The economic impact of improving access to post secondary education is enormous. On factor that drove the post WWII boom was the GI bill.

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ramen

(860 posts)
35. I can easily get behind this. For all the folks who asserted I don't live in the real world for
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:18 PM
Mar 2020

thinking that socialized college tuition for the lower and middle class was possible in this country, is now the part where you say you had always thought it was possible and just didn't mention it? Or is this the part where if Sanders/Warren are not the ones putting the plan forward then we don't need to analyze how to pay for it and we can just take it on faith?

Here's to the result either way..

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warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
42. Well,
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:29 PM
Mar 2020

he had my vote before. He still has my vote. Vote for Joe, defeat the schmo.

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