Democratic Primaries
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George II
(67,782 posts)...their children to Harvard or Yale.
And if there's an interest in forgiving outstanding debt, it should be done with an agreement by the student to do a certain amount of public service.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DURHAM D
(32,832 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(87,075 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,466 posts)They just give them grants.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
As HRC said, why should taxpayers pay for Bill Gates' kids to go to college?*
*before anyone replies to say that rich kids don't go to public college, look at the high-profile folks who are facing jail time for that college admissions scam. Many were getting their kids into public colleges. Also, I live in Florida. My husband teaches at our local IB school. Most of these kids could get into Ivy League schools but they want UF - and many of those kids have parents who could afford any school for their kids.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,763 posts)Sounds like Warren is STILL finding the way to get shut done! Thats what authentic progressive DOers do.
Biden needed to make this embrace of solid progressive ideas from Warren and Sanders.
Now, I wouldnt be surprised if Sanders endorses him after the debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,721 posts)And, Joe Biden!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
andym
(5,619 posts)to grow/unify support and make a better America. I'm particularly happy about the college plan because more Americans should have the opportunity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
William769
(55,783 posts)Cheer up, it's on to November!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
andym
(5,619 posts)the better the policies the better our lives.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
forgotmylogin
(7,668 posts)Be the figurehead, but have good people on the job. You'd think he'd be good at that, having had a TV show and all...
...but then again I guess he's used to firing everyone who works for him one by one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
andym
(5,619 posts)Biden is showing impressive leadership by adopting versions of Warren's plans that also resonate with Sander's ideas. Biden does not suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome, which characterizes other politicians.
Trump on the other hand is a complete partisan hack who really had no plans but plays to his Fox News hypnotized audience of which he is a member.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)I was at first wondering how it can be implemented until I saw it's for public colleges and universities. Realistically, that is the only way government can make affordable and free college possible. You just cannot cover any sum that private institutions would demand.
I'm not sure about the fees for public colleges/universities, but even above 125k families might have problems paying for their kids' education. But it would be a great change and a step towards the right direction without a doubt. That is progress.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(87,075 posts)Reality based.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr.Bill
(24,743 posts)if Bernie asked him how he was going to pay for it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(46,614 posts)$3-500 a month as a co-pay is doable. Make it affordable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's also an incentive to buckle-down and study.
If it's free-free, will students just coast through and not worry about failing... only to try again and again (at no cost) until they get it right?
Will there still be an admissions standards... or will any kid with a "diploma" who was pushed through with social promotions and advancement be allowed to attend?
These are valid questions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(46,614 posts)Mine was.
I suspect the effect of all this free will be a further bifurcated education system. Private colleges vs public colleges, 2 year vs 4 year.
We have more educated people who never realize their potential than anywhere else, I suspect.
It's all about specific skills that employers will value and careers that motivate or matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
patphil
(6,889 posts)Not many kids are going to do that for a free-free.
It's a huge investment in time.
But, it will take the financial worry out of the equation.
And,I don't think admission standards will be lowered. Colleges always get paid, it's just the source of the money that could change.
What does the college care if the money comes from the government, a financial institution, or parents?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I guess some care about their reputation and status and prestige.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)if you don't have a job which is the case for many students. I'd suppose very few students have a job that pays for this fee, rent and food. And they shouldn't really, they should be full time students.
But once they are finished, they'll hopefully pay it back for the next generation with their taxes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(46,614 posts)Tired of hearing how they should get it all free so they can get on with their lives, which means consumerism, SUV, McMansion, vacations.
It wasn't free for me. I would have gotten a good education if it had been. I don't want to sound like a Republican, but enabling people to use the government for free big ticket items that enrich their lives is a lot like Corporate Socialism.
Nothing is free. Someone pays for everything. Behind these free education ideas is the labor of non-college educated workers who pay taxes and will reject these proposals. They might like it free for their kids, but many are older, or have small or no family.
Taxpayers already pay for K-12. Now we're gonna go for 13-16? How about 16-18, and 19-22?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)It's just that they'll pay for it with a delay once they have a job thanks to the education they received. It's an investment by the country in its citizens who will ideally pay back that goodwill.
You are right, some will pay for it who don't benefit directly from it. That could be said for pretty much all tax expenditures. With these kind programs, you can always point out a degree of unfairness when something is geared towards an advantage for the society as a whole that might never reach the individual.
I still think it's a good thing to make higher education accessible to as many as possible but the way it's done is certainly a matter where opinions differ.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,424 posts)if I wasn't making adequate progress to graduate in four years I would have been drafted. Oh well I got drafted right after I graduated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
paleotn
(19,034 posts)They'll probably disagree with you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
degage
(103 posts)For all the Sanders supporters, you can think of these moves as one way Bernie is winning. He is successfully pushing the agenda to the left. I hope that will help more Sanders supporters get on board with Biden if he becomes the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
William769
(55,783 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
degage
(103 posts)We need unity. The single most important thing on Nov 3 is to beat Trump AND McConnell.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
William769
(55,783 posts)I'm still not seeing any unity from the Sanders side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zonkers
(5,865 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bullwinkle428
(20,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(10,674 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
patphil
(6,889 posts)I like what he's doing here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(15,097 posts)Good job, Joe. We all have to work together.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FM123
(10,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(84,021 posts)Happy to hear that!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FM123
(10,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,279 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
paleotn
(19,034 posts)The economic impact of improving access to post secondary education is enormous. On factor that drove the post WWII boom was the GI bill.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ramen
(860 posts)thinking that socialized college tuition for the lower and middle class was possible in this country, is now the part where you say you had always thought it was possible and just didn't mention it? Or is this the part where if Sanders/Warren are not the ones putting the plan forward then we don't need to analyze how to pay for it and we can just take it on faith?
Here's to the result either way..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)he had my vote before. He still has my vote. Vote for Joe, defeat the schmo.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden