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riversedge

(73,134 posts)
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:52 PM Mar 2020

Biden to adopt Bernies plan of Free college and Warrens bankruptcy plan....................

Well now--everybody is happen. I am.


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Across the country, middle and working class families are being squeezed by debt. This is a massive problem, and one that we need all of the best ideas to solve. That's why today, I'm adopting two plans from @BernieSanders and @ewarren to achieve this.


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First: Bernie has put forward a plan that would make public colleges and universities free for families whose income is below $125,000. It's a good idea, and after consideration, I am proud to add it to my platform.
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Second: Few people in the country understand how bankruptcy hurts working families more than Elizabeth Warren. Today, I am fully endorsing and adopting her bankruptcy plan, which she called "Fixing Our Bankruptcy System to Give People a Second Chance."
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Biden to adopt Bernies plan of Free college and Warrens bankruptcy plan.................... (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2020 OP
One of the things I admire about Joe is his ability to listen and adopt/adapt other's ideas Siwsan Mar 2020 #1
Climate Change SCliberal91294 Mar 2020 #2
Biden has been proposing climate change legislation since 1986, long before most people had LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #7
Great. You'll be glad to know that, long before most people would cast any Hortensis Mar 2020 #52
Bernie's plan? Biden propsed it five years ago! LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #3
He's giving Bernie credit. It's smart politics. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #5
Sssshhhh!!! caraher Mar 2020 #6
Ya, HRC did the same thing, now Bernie people run around saying they are Sanders. Whatever. LizBeth Mar 2020 #13
I still have no idea why he backed off that when he first announced, it soured me on him a bit Celerity Mar 2020 #20
Because there are a lot of centralists who think we can't afford education even as the Pentegon ... marble falls Mar 2020 #27
This is how one builds a coalition. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #4
Do you think that will happen before July? comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #45
I think he's out this week. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #47
I surely hope you are right and I am wrong. comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #48
Yeah, me too. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #49
Wasn't Bernie's plan to offer free tuition to everyone, including millionaires and billionaires? beastie boy Mar 2020 #8
Egos and all. The Democratic plan has always been more reasonable and responsible than Sanders LizBeth Mar 2020 #15
Biden Is A Team Player and Understands All The Candidates Need to Have A Win for Their Supporters Indykatie Mar 2020 #9
That's leadership Reviewing the ideas of others, giving them credit and saying "yes, let's do that" riversedge Mar 2020 #10
That shows Joe's leadership andym Mar 2020 #11
Also needs to legalize marijuana, if he hasn't ecstatic Mar 2020 #12
My only disappointment with Joe is he is very cold on legalization (as was Barack) ... marble falls Mar 2020 #18
May be leaving it to the states. More and more are coming around. brush Mar 2020 #29
That's sort of a Republican style response, but remember Bush's DEA busting medical pot ... marble falls Mar 2020 #31
Give it time. And who you calling repug? Been toking long before you without... brush Mar 2020 #35
I am sorry I made that seem I was calling you Republican. I only use that on Donnie ... marble falls Mar 2020 #55
OK, most states don't have that issue. 18 states and counting. brush Mar 2020 #58
This. n/t ms liberty Mar 2020 #26
Good! Bucky Mar 2020 #14
Free college to all is not the right thing to do. Universities would be overwhelmed and it would LizBeth Mar 2020 #17
Have you ever worked in public policy or program development? Bucky Mar 2020 #61
No Biden adopted Warren's college plan...Sanders want us to pay for private college and billionaires Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #16
Correct. And the Democratic plan. Democrats have been proposing this all along. LizBeth Mar 2020 #19
Ok, now this is great. Maven Mar 2020 #21
Except that's not Bernie's plan Donkees Mar 2020 #22
That's NOT "Bernie's plan"... argh! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #23
lol, the Berner bros on Twitter are not amused, lol, sooo typical Celerity Mar 2020 #24
Got no words BidenBacker Mar 2020 #28
Those types will never Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #32
He's putting together a very strong and detailed platform. He's going to kill Trump with the ... marble falls Mar 2020 #25
It's never good enough: George II Mar 2020 #30
I get the feeling Bernie & Joe, or at least their campaign aids, have been talking onetexan Mar 2020 #34
Nope. showblue22 Mar 2020 #39
BS BidenBacker Mar 2020 #46
Geeze. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #37
What's that first sentence about the platform supposed to mean? betsuni Mar 2020 #54
Cannot Effing Believe BidenBacker Mar 2020 #33
It proves Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #36
Like I said this morning BidenBacker Mar 2020 #42
Correction BidenBacker Mar 2020 #38
That is why they are losers still_one Mar 2020 #51
For families making less than $125,000 mcar Mar 2020 #40
I really like the plan. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #41
There are other reasons to avoid an income cap for such a program. PETRUS Mar 2020 #50
That would exclude BidenBacker Mar 2020 #43
Works for me mcar Mar 2020 #44
To be fair, that probably includes me and I'm going to vote for Biden. writes3000 Mar 2020 #56
Same here on both counts BidenBacker Mar 2020 #57
How's this for starters? BidenBacker Mar 2020 #59
Here's a couple more real interesting ones for folks to peruse BidenBacker Mar 2020 #60
Stay in all the way, Bernie. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #53
I agree. I'm not really supporting Sanders, but Bucky Mar 2020 #62
 

Siwsan

(27,297 posts)
1. One of the things I admire about Joe is his ability to listen and adopt/adapt other's ideas
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:56 PM
Mar 2020

Just like he invited trump* to look at and use his plan for combating this virus. He wants what's best for the nation, not just what's best for him.

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SCliberal91294

(170 posts)
2. Climate Change
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:58 PM
Mar 2020

This is the one where Biden needs to nudged a bit further to the left. After that he will be really good.

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,515 posts)
7. Biden has been proposing climate change legislation since 1986, long before most people had
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:01 PM
Mar 2020

heard about it.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. Great. You'll be glad to know that, long before most people would cast any
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:26 PM
Mar 2020

vote based on environmental issues, Biden was one of the various "environmental" groups' top people in Washington. He always has been and still is. Give us the power, finally, and finally deny Republicans the power to stop us, and watch it happen.

Gasbags who make grand claims and deny who's good on climate do it because they're comparatively (or completely) empty sacks on this suddenly politically useful subject and can't stand the comparison.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
5. He's giving Bernie credit. It's smart politics.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:00 PM
Mar 2020

It's also rather unselfish. Imagine that.

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caraher

(6,308 posts)
6. Sssshhhh!!!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:00 PM
Mar 2020

Biden is trying to win over the Bernie supporters... works better when you credit Bernie!

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LizBeth

(10,823 posts)
13. Ya, HRC did the same thing, now Bernie people run around saying they are Sanders. Whatever.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:23 PM
Mar 2020
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Celerity

(46,227 posts)
20. I still have no idea why he backed off that when he first announced, it soured me on him a bit
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:33 PM
Mar 2020

Glad to see him come back to it.

I actually got stick for posting that link loooong ago.

I obviously was going to vote for him over Sanders anyway, but now I am even happier to do so.

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marble falls

(62,106 posts)
27. Because there are a lot of centralists who think we can't afford education even as the Pentegon ...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:45 PM
Mar 2020

gets three quarters of a trillion that we know about and however how much in "black" funding.

This turn reflects that Joe can listen to everyone and pivot as needed. Now we have to hold the House and take the Senate to make it all happen, and be ready again in two years to turn out record numbers of Democratic voters in 2022.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
4. This is how one builds a coalition.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:59 PM
Mar 2020

Well, to be accurate, further builds a coalition.

Pretty soon, the Bernie or busters will be out of excuses, especially once Sanders withdraws and endorses Biden.

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comradebillyboy

(10,467 posts)
45. Do you think that will happen before July?
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:07 PM
Mar 2020

I don't. And the worse he gets beat the angrier he will be.

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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
47. I think he's out this week.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:13 PM
Mar 2020

I've been saying that for a while now, so I should probably stick with it. I think if he gets blown out on Tuesday, as seems highly likely, he'll drop out this week.

If he doesn't, then it really is all about him and not about Trump or the progressive movement or his message. He's already flirting with making his "movement" less relevant.

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comradebillyboy

(10,467 posts)
48. I surely hope you are right and I am wrong.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:15 PM
Mar 2020
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TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
49. Yeah, me too.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:18 PM
Mar 2020

We'll know pretty soon.

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beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
8. Wasn't Bernie's plan to offer free tuition to everyone, including millionaires and billionaires?
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:02 PM
Mar 2020

Looks like Joe is being overly magnanimous in giving Bernie credit.

Let's see if Bernie will appreciate this gesture.

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LizBeth

(10,823 posts)
15. Egos and all. The Democratic plan has always been more reasonable and responsible than Sanders
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:24 PM
Mar 2020

free University plan. Sanders would hurt the poor people, ultimately. Biden is too responsible for that. But will give Sanders a glow.

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Indykatie

(3,853 posts)
9. Biden Is A Team Player and Understands All The Candidates Need to Have A Win for Their Supporters
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:09 PM
Mar 2020

I'm hopeful that Bernie will accept his win and fully support Biden's run and help bring his supporters on board. The Bernie or bust crowd won't come on board but we can win without that group. Biden has done a good job expanding his base of support among college educated White women, suburban women and blue collar Whites that Hillary couldn't win over in 2016.

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riversedge

(73,134 posts)
10. That's leadership Reviewing the ideas of others, giving them credit and saying "yes, let's do that"
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:09 PM
Mar 2020

agree.



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That's leadership

Reviewing the ideas of others, giving them credit and saying "yes, let's do that"

Joe Biden is exactly who & what we need to unite!



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andym

(5,689 posts)
11. That shows Joe's leadership
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:14 PM
Mar 2020

These policies will help Americans and he recognizes that and has adopted them.

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ecstatic

(34,376 posts)
12. Also needs to legalize marijuana, if he hasn't
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:19 PM
Mar 2020

expressed that already.

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marble falls

(62,106 posts)
18. My only disappointment with Joe is he is very cold on legalization (as was Barack) ...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:27 PM
Mar 2020

Its a minor, minor disappointment as I've smoked pot since '68 whenever I want and have had VERY little trouble getting all that I've wanted ever since.

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brush

(57,601 posts)
29. May be leaving it to the states. More and more are coming around.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:02 PM
Mar 2020
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marble falls

(62,106 posts)
31. That's sort of a Republican style response, but remember Bush's DEA busting medical pot ...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:09 PM
Mar 2020

clubs legal in California? I want pot at least taken off federal dangerous drug lists.

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brush

(57,601 posts)
35. Give it time. And who you calling repug? Been toking long before you without...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:16 PM
Mar 2020

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a problem of getting it. He already adapted to some Warren and Sanders' plans, no need to alienate some voters we might need, by letting states do it for now?

The object is to be smart, vote to beat trump, get Joe in office to implement his plans, not be 1-issue voters.

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marble falls

(62,106 posts)
55. I am sorry I made that seem I was calling you Republican. I only use that on Donnie ...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:48 PM
Mar 2020

"Two Scoops". I just meant to say you were making a state's right argument for pot legalization. Here in Texas ut gets worse than that - counties, cities, towns can opt dry or not regarding alcohol. In a state that allows me to order a drink and put it in front of my child, I think is eight years old or older.

Let the Feds decriminalize pot and then make all states regulate it. That would even get the SCOTUS involved if there problem with a state's laws.

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brush

(57,601 posts)
58. OK, most states don't have that issue. 18 states and counting.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 07:03 PM
Mar 2020
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Bucky

(55,334 posts)
14. Good!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:23 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie's positions are extremely popular. Plus many of them are the right thing to do. The problem has never been his ideas, which poll after poll show the general public supports. The problem is his limited capacity of working well with others.

I still support 100% of Bernie's right to stay in the primaries. It does not hurt the party Noor impair party unity to have vigorous debates more than three months out from the nominating convention.

but Joe is right to start stealing Bernie's positions. That will unify the party as much as a vigorous endorsement from Sanders in July.

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LizBeth

(10,823 posts)
17. Free college to all is not the right thing to do. Universities would be overwhelmed and it would
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:26 PM
Mar 2020

be the privilege that would be taking advantage of this. They are already starting at a higher level and the competition would be brutal for those with less. It never made sense what Sanders was proposing. What Biden is putting out is the right thing to do, while giving Sanders the credit to stroke his ego.

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Bucky

(55,334 posts)
61. Have you ever worked in public policy or program development?
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 03:07 AM
Mar 2020

There are plenty of ways to design a program so that you're reaching out to and helping those with real financial needs.

The privileged are I'm going to go to private schools, not the tuition-subsidized public schools that Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have been talking about.

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Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
16. No Biden adopted Warren's college plan...Sanders want us to pay for private college and billionaires
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:24 PM
Mar 2020

as there was no income limit...Warren had the cap. And I like her plan and now Biden's plan. I also like parts of her bankruptcy plan and think student loans should be in there. Those plans are both Warren's plan.

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LizBeth

(10,823 posts)
19. Correct. And the Democratic plan. Democrats have been proposing this all along.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:27 PM
Mar 2020
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Maven

(10,533 posts)
21. Ok, now this is great.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:33 PM
Mar 2020

Makes me more excited to get behind Biden now that Warren is out of the race.

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Donkees

(32,400 posts)
22. Except that's not Bernie's plan
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:35 PM
Mar 2020
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
23. That's NOT "Bernie's plan"... argh!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:37 PM
Mar 2020
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Celerity

(46,227 posts)
24. lol, the Berner bros on Twitter are not amused, lol, sooo typical
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:37 PM
Mar 2020
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Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
32. Those types will never
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:11 PM
Mar 2020

be happy unless Bernie is the nominee and maybe not even then. It’s best to write them off, we can win without them. Biden will have the Obama coalition plus a decent chunk of the white working class in November.

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marble falls

(62,106 posts)
25. He's putting together a very strong and detailed platform. He's going to kill Trump with the ...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:38 PM
Mar 2020

details at their "debates.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
30. It's never good enough:
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:06 PM
Mar 2020
Now we must make all public universities, colleges and trade schools tuition-free for all, cancel all student debt, and fund it with a small tax on Wall Street speculation.

WRONG!


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onetexan

(13,899 posts)
34. I get the feeling Bernie & Joe, or at least their campaign aids, have been talking
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:14 PM
Mar 2020

this seems to be Bernie's way to bow out gracefully. Hope that is the case.

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showblue22

(1,026 posts)
39. Nope.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:23 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie says Biden's plan is not good enough.


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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
46. BS
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:11 PM
Mar 2020
Now we must make all public universities, colleges and trade schools tuition-free for all, cancel all student debt, and fund it with a small tax on Wall Street speculation.

More arm-waving words. Let's see some numbers, Bernie.

I read recently that student debt is about $1.5 trillion. None of the experts know for sure how much wiping that out would really cost but it seems doable at first glance, especially since they're now talking about a possible TARP 2 to save the moneygrubbers on Wall Street costing $4 trillion or thereabouts to save their greedy asses again if the market tanks real bad. Haven't seen a single number yet on all the other stuff. Bet it would be a helluva lot more than wiping out student debt.
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Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
37. Geeze.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:20 PM
Mar 2020

C’mon on Bernie!

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betsuni

(27,258 posts)
54. What's that first sentence about the platform supposed to mean?
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:35 PM
Mar 2020
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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
33. Cannot Effing Believe
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:12 PM
Mar 2020

that Sanders supporters are now bitching about Joe "stealing" some of other people's ideas and helping to push them forward. Bernie does this all the time himself. He stole Truman's idea for a single payer healthcare plan he came up with circa 1947 and I don't hear none of Harry's supporters whining about it. Keep it up and all you guys will get is a big fat shit sandwich to munch on...even bigger and fatter than the one we've all been eating the last 3 years.

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Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
36. It proves
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:19 PM
Mar 2020

that for that toxic minority of Bernie supporters that it’s not about the issues but about a cult of personality. They should be happy that Joe is willing to adapt some of Sanders’ ideas.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
42. Like I said this morning
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:33 PM
Mar 2020

"Mussolini Minions". It ain't the policies, it's all about the personality.

Not all of them, of course...many Bernie supporters here on DU strike me as quite reasonable folks. It's the ones who tweet their asses off.

I think maybe signing up on Twitter instantly reduces one's IQ by 50 points...which is why I stay away from it. That would make mine a negative number.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
38. Correction
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:20 PM
Mar 2020

Make that 1945...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/november-19-1945-harry-truman-calls-national-health-insurance-program

1947 was the year Ken Arnold spotted the first UFO when aliens were coming to tell us "about fucking time you guys had universal healthcare...we've had it on our planet for like 2 million years."

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still_one

(96,555 posts)
51. That is why they are losers
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:25 PM
Mar 2020
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mcar

(43,512 posts)
40. For families making less than $125,000
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:26 PM
Mar 2020

Not for all families. This is a very good move.

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Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
41. I really like the plan.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:30 PM
Mar 2020

The only problem is kids who have rich families who refuse to help them with tuition. My best friend in high school had that type of family. Of course, he was able to take out loans but now he owes a shitload on a public school teacher’s salary. I wonder what can be done with cases like that?

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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
50. There are other reasons to avoid an income cap for such a program.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:22 PM
Mar 2020

For one, it's generally understood that universal programs are more robust and cheaper to administer.

In addition to the added bureaucratic costs, it could generate other problems - some related to what you just wrote about - and create incentives to game the system. (Here's an economist writing about that: https://cepr.net/the-free-college-battle/ )

While I take Biden's announcement as a welcome development, I think a better answer for people concerned about giving the wealthy something they don't need is a more progressive tax code.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
43. That would exclude
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:49 PM
Mar 2020

roughly 20% of the top income households...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distribution-of-household-income-in-the-us/

Who ain't gonna vote for Joe anyway because he might raise their taxes by a whopping 3%.

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writes3000

(4,814 posts)
56. To be fair, that probably includes me and I'm going to vote for Biden.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:54 PM
Mar 2020

I think we need to be more careful about generalizing everyone within groups of people.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
57. Same here on both counts
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:58 PM
Mar 2020

So that's 2 outta how many?

Think it's a pretty safe generalization but will try to heed your warning in the future. No promises, though.

Now I'm off to try and find some numbers to back up my stereotyping or deflate it...because I'm just a numbers-crunching nerd who likes the truth.

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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
59. How's this for starters?
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 07:06 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-republicans/

Income

Financially, Republicans fare better than either Democrats or Independents, and tend to identify themselves as such. Republican candidates gain a significantly higher percentage of votes from individuals with incomes over $50,000 per year, and the advantage increases along with the income level, to a height of 63 percent of individuals earning $200,000 or more a year supporting Republicans. This level is the direct inverse of individuals earning less than $15,000 a year, who support Democrats at 63 percent and Republicans at only 36 percent.

Republicans also express a much higher level of satisfaction with their personal financial situation than either Democrats or Independents. Before the U.S. economy’s downturn, an all-time high of 81 percent of Republicans expressed satisfaction with their personal financial situation. That number dropped to 61 percent in 2009, but it is still significantly higher than the corresponding 52 percent of Independents and 49 percent of Democrats. A much larger proportion of Republicans than Democrats also identify themselves as “haves” versus “have-nots.”


High earners vote Republican almost 2-to-1 than for Dems. Guess it's all them liberal movie stars and performers with a conscience who bring it down some...LOL.
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BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
60. Here's a couple more real interesting ones for folks to peruse
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 07:29 PM
Mar 2020
A new survey shows how economic policy divides the GOP and unites Democrats

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/11/18659986/voter-study-group-democrats-economics

The study, released Tuesday by the Democracy Fund’s Voter Study Group, was authored by Lee Drutman, Vanessa Williamson, and Felicia Wong.

They gauged support for a few different progressive economic policy ideas and then compared the views of low-income voters (with less than $40,000 per year in household income) to more comfortable ones (with more than $80,000 per year in household income). For Democrats, the more affluent voters were generally more left-wing — probably because they are better-educated and thus generally more ideological — but the difference is small.

For Republicans, by contrast, there’s a huge fall-off in support as you go up the income ladder.


Bottomline is the higher income a Democrat has the more they are willing to support progressive economic policies that may end up costing them a few bucks...just the opposite of Republicans. In a nutshell, the richer a Gopper gets the greedier he gets. Here's another one that doesn't really cover party-affiliation vs income but has a lot of other great stuff to look at and get a little smarter...

Wide Gender Gap, Growing Educational Divide in Voters’ Party Identification

https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/wide-gender-gap-growing-educational-divide-in-voters-party-identification/

We geeks sure do love Pew Research...they never fail to produce excellent detailed snapshots of American society.
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Magoo48

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53. Stay in all the way, Bernie.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:29 PM
Mar 2020

Push um’ left; push um’ left...way left.
Go Liz, Go Bernie...

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Bucky

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62. I agree. I'm not really supporting Sanders, but
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 03:09 AM
Mar 2020

I think it's good that we have more debates and more primaries and have time to excite and engage more voters around the country

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