Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumCBS Boston: Joe Biden Shuts Down Bernie Sanders In Final Democratic Debate
Asked for comment on the coronavirus, Joe Biden appealed for unity, said if he were in charge hed be looking to the experts, and talked about the need for readily available drive-through testing.
Bernie said job one was to shut this president up right now.
In past debates, Sanders political passion compared with Bidens establishment nostrums would have drawn superior crowd reaction. But the CNN/Univision debate was a socially distant affair, held in a DC TV studio with no live audience.
Their absence appeared to deflate Sanders. His familiar attack points and applause lines seemed to land harmlessly without a whooping crowd to underscore the punches, draining a measure of his usual energy.
It was a mistake for the Sanders campaign to insist on standing at podiums instead of sitting at a table. That gave Biden a visible height edge, enhanced by his superior posture, that wasnt so visible in previous debates.
And CNNs relentless use of those tight angles in a split-screen didnt help Sanders, who looked increasingly flustered as Biden won round after round.
After Sanders delivered an effective monologue about flaws in the US healthcare system exposed by the pandemic, Biden noted that virus-ravaged Italy has Sanders beloved single-payer system and it is not working right now. When Bernie tried to press his point, Joe blew him off with a line that seemed to ridicule the very notion of the virus as a debating point: This is a national crisis, I dont want to get into a back and forth here.
And Bernie was stuck on the ropes during a lengthy pummeling by Biden over his kind words for Castros Cuba and other unsavory regimes, one of the key reasons why Sanders tenure as frontrunner barely lasted a week. At one point, Sanders blurted that extreme poverty in China today is much less than it was forty years ago, thats a fact! Great timing for some China tire-pumping!
Biden moved in for the kill: The praising of the Sandinistas, the praising of Cuba, the praising just now of China the idea that he praised the Soviet Union this man voted against sanctioning Russia for its interference in our election! I dont get it . Its absolutely contrary to any message we want to send the rest of the world.
There was more bloodletting before the merciful end. By the time he finally got to deliver his counter to Bidens electability trump card, Sanders was on the defensive. His undisputed claim to be the preferred choice of younger voters came out awkwardly and apologetically: Young people are not great voters.
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https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-democratic-debate-joe-biden-running-mate-bernie-sanders-jon-keller-wbz-tv/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,703 posts)What I've seen has favored Biden visually just like I knew it would. What a dumb move.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)Biden's "cognitive decline".. they got blowback karma on both of them
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,703 posts)And if he does I don't think he'll get them!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,724 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)his ego drives all and its time to say enough is enough. Lets concentrate on removing GOP from power everywhere and rebuilding our failed institutions and THEN improve them. We need no fucking revolution to make changes for the better. What we need are people who willing to do the hard work and commitment. If you are 21 yrs old, this means YOU as well, drop the xbox controller and actually get involved to get democrats elected at local and state levels, run for office. Make a difference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(47,018 posts)I'm nitpicking here, but catch this phrase: "absolutely contrary to any message we want to send the rest of the world.
It takes strong poise, self-awareness, and practice to say that instead of: '... any message we want to send to the rest of the world.'
Efficiency of language is an extreme measure of a good mind and self-control. This is why Joe Biden is surging ahead.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)and I thank the gods we have him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(18,282 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(64,396 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pacifist Patriot
(24,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kitchari
(2,393 posts)From the article:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,899 posts)practical. It's time Bernie. Go home, get some rest, and help us win back our nation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(62,106 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)Finally some reality news about the debate.. TY!
Awesome article by Jon Keller!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Good posture is important. Not leaning is on the podium is also important. One suggests confidence and good health, energy and stamina... the other doesn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(49,725 posts)a viewer got was Joe looked poised and presidential in contrast to a cranky Bernie with his excessive gesticulating. I think someone must have advised Sanders to reign in his hand gestures, as he frequently stood there with his hands behind his back and he toned down the hand flailing somewhat. When he started talking, however, he couldn't help himself and the hands started flying. This might work in a rally, but on television, in a one-on-one setting it is very distracting.
When Bernie was talking, I loved how Biden put his left hand in his pocket and turned to face Bernie very calmly and statesman like.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)America needs a leader with those qualities. Joe Biden is the one candidate with the temperament, demeanor and integrity that our nation needs.
I'm very much looking forward to having Joe as our next president.
PS: I'll bet you a dollar that Joe knows... a gentleman always carries a handkerchief.
Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(49,725 posts)who also is down-to-earth. He can talk to foreign leaders, as well as relate one on one with average people. November can't come fast enough!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NBachers
(18,136 posts)image of poise, alertness; calmly and politely in control. Giving Bernie his due consideration, while remaining in charge.
I loved it when he talked about knowing the world leaders, and being able to communicate with them. Contrast the image of Biden fitting in and being warmly received at world conferences, against trump's shoving, swaggering, preening braggadocio or rejected isolation. And Dr. Jill Biden will fit in way better than the daughter / wife / handbag plagiarist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I think the world saw a president on that stage. This was the Joe Biden I hoped would show up. He exceeded my expectations and I have a very high regard for him.
And I agree about Jill. What a great First Lady she would be!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pacifist Patriot
(24,903 posts)Biden was in a tailored navy suit with contrasting red tie and appears to have had a recent hair cut.
Sanders was in a poorly fitted drab suit with minimal contrast.
As shallow as this is, and I know it is incredibly shallow, Biden just looked presidential last night. In my humble opinion, Sanders did not. Should this be important? Not really. Is it to many people? Indeed. Leadership inspires confidence in many ways, and physical appearance is one of them whether we like it or not. Which is another reason why the appeal of Trump and BoJo has baffled me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Oh no, it's not shallow. We're choosing someone to lead our nation (and the world)... someone who will make our nation proud, not embarrassed with poor grooming... or ill-fitting wash and wear department-store blazers.
I expect our next president to represent our nation with dignity. I expect our next president to always carry a handkerchief. I expect our next president to command attention and admiration when he walks into a room... not scorn or pity or worry or ridicule. Oh what a change it will be.
Our nation would not be served well by having a president who refuses to wear a tuxedo because it's is an oppressive symbol of the elite. Ridiculous!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)but I imagine it's hard not to notice such a stark contrast. I'm way younger than Biden and wished I ever had his posture at any point in my life past childhood. I don't ridicule BS for his posture but they were the ones insisting on a standing debate for some strange reason, maybe buying the moronic claims themselves. They thought this would give them an advantage.
And now all I can think about is that I don't want to look like an ostrich when I'm old.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(49,725 posts)The optics definitely favored Biden last night. Though it might seem shallow, Biden appeared and sounded more presidential, probably because he is more presidential. His calm, poised demeanor is very reassuring right now when people really need that kind of leadership.
I'll never understand the appeal of Trump either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sweetloukillbot
(12,600 posts)Did no favors either. Reminded me of Kennedy/Nixon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I think one of the BIGGEST improvements was having NO studio audience.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(49,725 posts)They should consider more debates without an audience in the future. Makes it less of a show.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sweetloukillbot
(12,600 posts)I wonder if perception would've been different had the debate been held in Phx before an audience like originally planned.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(49,725 posts)With just the two of them and no distracting audience, the contrast was startling. If someone was to watch the debate without sound, Biden would still win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(40,015 posts)Multiple times he would wince while Biden was speaking and open his mouth but no sound would come out. It looked like the left side of his brain was telling him, no, Bernie, cant interrupt, while the right said, but I want to. He consistently looked like a disagreeable crank, while Biden, the more pleasant adult, would either just smile or put his head down.
And yes, the standing was a visual disaster as well. Not that sitting would have been much better for Bernie, who is hunched over no matter how you position him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DownriverDem
(6,648 posts)can you still be undecided?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(40,015 posts)Because Im sentimental. Im going to write-in Warrens name whenever NY has its primary (it could be delayed). I supported her for over a year and I should have the opportunity to do that. If Biden needed my vote in NY, which he wont, he would get it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(40,015 posts)Joe was really on his game. It was a great night for all Democrats and for anyone who cares about ending this national nightmare.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's not laziness... it's clearly osteoporosis. Not his fault, but his poor posture is a clear reminder of his age, and a reminder that he's been in poor health. There are many articles online about posture and health, and how poor posture is a sign of poor health and how it can lead to other problems as well.
Don't believe me, just do a google search for "posture and health" and look for articles from reputable sources... avoid the ones trying to sell supplements, but stick with the gov't sites, edu sites, webmd and the like. Posture and aging, and posture and pain are also interesting search criteria.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
djacq
(1,666 posts)I know that space should be given to Senator Sanders of when he decides to end his campaign but
after Super Tuesday Part III...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DENVERPOPS
(9,967 posts)What then will Bernie do.........
I think there are alot of people watching how Bernie and his groupies respond to Biden Winning.
For instance, how long they drag their feet before getting 100% behind Biden........
Or if they play a game of "we will show you and go home and not vote in the election to protest, AKA "sour grapes"
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
grantcart
(53,061 posts)So he can primary Democrats
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(62,106 posts)supporters to cut the shit, support Biden and do not sit out or protest vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gab13by13
(25,267 posts)David Axelrod said it best after the debate. Bernie was in effect, giving his concession speech. He only wanted Joe to concede that he would fight for Bernie's agenda, in general. Joe did a good job until the Green New Deal, Joe didn't understand what Bernie was asking for, he blew it. That was a general description of how Axelrod saw the debate. Bernie was reaching out to Joe to not forget the passion of the young voters by not rejecting Bernie's ideals. Moment lost for Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(53,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gab13by13
(25,267 posts)your really should be addressed to him, although I agree with Axelrod's assessment. Bernie was trying to tell Joe that the Democratic party needed a big turn out to beat Trump, Bernie was trying to tell Joe that Trump will win again if younger voters stay home.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(62,106 posts)I supported him in '16 and I was extremely shocked at his tepid his support of Hillary Clinton was in the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)know...concede and endorse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)Biden just recently adopted a plan for affordable/limited free public college and university and credited Bernie for the idea. He also stressed that BS has good ideas. That free tuition proposal is reaching out to both BS and the young voters. BS in his reply didn't see the positive that something he pretends to care about will definitely be a part of the Dem platform, whoever is the nominee. He rambled on and for long, he couldn't give Biden any credit and when he finally did, it was rather sarcastic.
On another instance of Biden reaching out to BS, Biden asked BS to join him in the fight for public financing to take away the influence of big money. Again, that is a topic BS pretends he cares about. But his reply was no, he won't join Biden, Biden should join him instead without even mentioning for what. So don't say Biden blew it when he tried what you wanted repeatedly.
BS didn't want to find common ground and reach common goals with Biden. The reverse was true. Whenever Biden came over to BS' position, BS rejected that. Bernie is only about Bernie. It should be clear by now that BS has no interest in working together with others for the good of the country. If you want to see how someone acts who honestly cares more about the issues than her own ambitions, look at Warren or pretty much all the other real Dems in the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
To many times has Bernie acted or talked like Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
eilen
(4,950 posts)even I said "Eff off Bernie" out loud.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,648 posts)It's about the American people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)Deal and M4A? These are not real plans...we need to begin working for a climate solution and healthcare but these 'plans' were concession in Congress to AOC during the speakership battle that never had a chance to pass. Let's work on real policy. And for whatever reason Axelrod has been predicting Biden's failure the entire primary...and never has a good word to say.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(53,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
McKim
(2,412 posts)I promise to vote blue no matter who. However, I did not like the smirking by Biden. His superior air and condescending body language and calling Senator Sanders Bernie made him look arrogant. He behaved as a winner who was annoyed that anyone would dare run against him. This is a turn off to women, we are so used to it!
I thought Biden did a credible job. I will vote for him in the general election if he wins the next primaries. I am glad that Sanders platform was taken up by Biden. It is so important that Sanders ideas be realized. When 40% of kids in public schools are on free lunch, that tells you that something is very wrong. If Biden could address the systemic poverty and all its ills, then great!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That could describe Sanders since the primaries started....
Yep, it sure is, no matter who is behaving that way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Towlie
(5,460 posts)I mean, look at the campaign posters!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)As for the smile, I found it charming...sure beat Sanders dour expression...get off my lawn, Joe! kind of debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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redstatebluegirl
(12,482 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(47,018 posts)Didn't watch a lot of it. But seemed to me that by delivering rapid-fire facts, Biden blunted any impact Sanders tried to make, and deflected any attempt to magnify any one point as a turning point. Biden is appearing smarter than I previously thought. Of course he has the most seasoned staff and support who prep for these things, but still the candidate makes the final delivery. Biden just made Bernie numb.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)And Biden almost certainly has ADHD which I have where you begin a thought and then your brain moves on and you start talking about something else...I have to watch that constantly...I am smart and graduated with a 3.9 in college. It is not about intelligence. I have come to believe it is just a different brain chemistry...it has its good points and bad points...mostly good though as you age.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(84,311 posts)And Sanders had no reply when Biden noted the energy and excitement thats taken place so far has been for me and I didnt even have the money to compete with this man .
Sanders has had an amazing run over the past few years, seeming at times to approach dominance of a party he doesnt even belong to. But its over.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Texin
(2,653 posts)Basically, for two hours Bernie just repeated the same two things, i.e., Medicare for All and "average citizens in this country are being hosed by the rich." The latter being the truth, and certainly (both) relevant to what's happening in this country right now, or at least part of the discussion, but he had no cogent response to what he would do in this crisis at this time. Biden stated a handful of ideas that could be quickly marshalled by the US government and the ancillary departments to create hospital beds and get the gears greased to begin producing/corralling respirators, along with setting up drive-in testing centers throughout the country at no expense to the individuals availing themselves to it.
And was it just me, or did it appear toward the middle of the debate Bernie seemed to be deflating in his mannerisms and responses? He seemed to physically begin shrinking and shoulder-hunching forward more than usual.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,899 posts)ragged compared to Joe demeanor and stature, as if he was going to keel over any minute. As the debate progressed and he couldn't make any inroads with his jabs he appeared increasingly flustered and frustrated. Bernie does not inspire confidence, esp'ly in this desperate state when its obvious to everyone he needs to pack it in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(11,479 posts)It dispelled this nonsense that Biden was 'too' weak and infirmed to stand for the entire debate, that he wanted to sit to compensate for his lack of stamina. Not only did Joe Biden stand, he looked vigorous throughout the debate session. In addition, those side angle shots while the debate proceeded favored Biden's posture and profile. Biden standing with one hand in his pocket gave the appearance of confidence and perfect calm. Another thing (though this may sound petty), Joe Biden was perfectly tailored last night. In fact, the tailoring reminded me a lot of President Obama whose garments were always perfect, professional. The suit played off Joe Biden's slim, healthy physique.
All in all, the optics played to Biden's advantage. Sanders? Not so much. So this wail about keeping the standing format was another example of the Sanders' campaign shooting itself in the foot.
AGO4JOE2020
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,443 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden