Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Wants to Fight On. He Has His Reasons.
Senator Bernie Sanders jabbed his finger in the air. He left Joseph R. Biden Jr. resorting to misstatements to defend his record on bankruptcy legislation. He instructed viewers to go to the YouTube to check out the former vice presidents record themselves. It was not the kind of debate performance suggesting a candidate ready for reconciliation.
After delivering a speech last week that appeared aimed at de-escalating the primary battle against Mr. Biden, Mr. Sanders laced into his opponent on Sunday night with a vigor that signaled that the fight if not for delegates, then for the soul of the Democratic Party was not over.
Under intense pressure to win nominating contests and already grappling with the effects of the coronavirus on the election, Mr. Sanders and his aides are now struggling to reconcile a sense of resignation and a desire to press on.
Yet even as his path to the nomination looks increasingly bleak, with Mr. Biden favored in three more primaries on Tuesday, some allies are publicly urging Mr. Sanders to remain in the race, eager for him to continue to pitch voters on a liberal agenda that he has promoted for decades.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/bernie-sanders-wants-to-fight-on-he-has-his-reasons/ar-BB11hjDM?ocid=msedgdhp
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
degage
(103 posts)This feels like dejavu all over again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
William769
(55,830 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
degage
(103 posts)I'm over Nina Turner with her comment about it being a man's life work. We have to defeat Trump and McConnell. I put blame on Bernie and Stein for helping get Trump elected.
I believe they both thought it might be a good thing to have Trump so everyone might wake up and then they could swoop in as saviours after him. That hasn't worked out very well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
As far as i see
Race is over...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,822 posts)His ego is bigger than Trump's.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
degage
(103 posts)The statement that it's about his life's work. I feel for him, I truly do. We don't all get to accomplish what we want. That is soul crushing.
The reality is we are in a situation so much bigger than just him and his personal goals. He needs to cede them to the greater good. To not do so is an exercise of ego as bad as Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tweedy
(1,150 posts)Senator Sanders is not going off into the wilderness when this is finished. He will be returning to the United States Senate.
Bernie Sanders is a United States senator. He will be a United States senator after this primary concludes. He can continue his "life's work" from the Senate.
Senator Sanders lost that debate and he has irrevocably lost this primary; he simply has not recognized it yet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(53,475 posts)Either he will retire because he will face stiffer competition or he will be defeated at his next re-election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(53,475 posts)is that he really hasn't accomplished or done much.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)One can't wake up at the age of 74 and suddenly accelerate achievement of something that eluded one for 35 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)Gotta keep up with the costs of those three houses he owns, you know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's unlikely that people will continue to send $27 to someone who's not running. That's my opinion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(20,658 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
William769
(55,830 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(7,020 posts)Good one
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,258 posts)$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(20,658 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)Disingenuous
If a corporation did it while raising money on wall street, the SEC would sue and the people making such an affirmative statement would go to jail.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PolarPop
(18 posts)And its sad, really. His voters are not showing up with we dont give them something.
They. Will. Not. Show. Up.
It wont matter how much he campaigns for Biden. If we dont adopt some of his policies they will stay home and Trump will win.
There is no reason we cant at least have universal healthcare. None.
Were about to find out exactly why we need it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(10,157 posts)towards universal hc
like how much it will cost,at what level the subsidies kick in, like that
how he will improve the aca in general
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Todd79
(166 posts)He really doesnt have to do anything, or make any promises. Hes winning just about every coalition of voters
now except two of them, and the gap of Latin American support looks like it will close significantly with Florida and Arizona (as long as COVID-19 doesnt depress normal turnout).
Sanders supporters point to broad sweeping declarations about the exit polls showing support for his policies, but neglect to mention those same polls show an overwhelming majority do not want policies to the left of Obama. State after stats has explicitly asked if you would rather return to Obama era policies, more moderate, or more liberal, and the two former have a huge margin over the latter.
Bottom line is that not only is Biden winning, but hes winning the popular vote by a large margin and could put this out of reach in a much more definitive fashion than Hillary was ever able to.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(10,157 posts)biden has been running on the public option and improving the aca since the beginning, why in the world would you suggest he shouldn't expand on that?
to prove he doesn't have to?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(27,258 posts)Our nominee ran on it. It's not new, Democrats are familiar with it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(10,157 posts)medicare @ 55? at what cost?
public option at what cost and what subsidies?
if you have a link with details I would love to see it
thank you
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)She reintroduced it as Medicare at 50:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s470
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)Details here:
https://joebiden.com/healthcare/
No offense, but it takes about 30 seconds to find this stuff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,258 posts)Very amusing, the idea that Obama, Clinton, Biden -- often described by certain types as moderate, centrist, corporate, too cautious -- would recklessly support a policy they had no idea how to pay for or how it would work. If that were the case the House wouldn't have been able to pass the ACA with a public option. Everybody knows how wonky Hillary is. Biden's motto is "Never promise anything you can't deliver."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(10,157 posts)4 times the poverty level is no improvement over what is subsidized now
so same cliff
and I honestly did not see what he said it would cost per month
the aca is way too much money, I want to know if the public option will be different
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,558 posts)That's what democracy is about... Sunday night was just the beginning of that process!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)He's not saying anything new or original. We know what he's about. People heard it four years ago, and they're no more interested in it now than they were then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)After tomorrow there will be no more debates. Which after the shellacking Bernie took last night Im thinking he should be happy about.
Democracy works when the Loser admits it and moves on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(10,157 posts)to do the same for the crowd that needs healthcare would really unify us
is all I want...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)So why count on them to show up for anything else?
The Democrats need to concentrate on continuing to get the votes of those suburban soccer moms. They actually, you know, show up at the polls.
Unlike the participation trophy winners.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tweedy
(1,150 posts)It can credibly be called a Medicare buy-in
As for Senator Sanders Medicare for all bill, it is a piece of political messaging, not an implementable policy.
Perhaps we should push for Senator Warren's M4A plan? It is implentable as written.
If we could get Medicaid expansion in the hold out states, that would truly be an improvement.
Senator Sanders sees and explains problems well. Solving them has not been his strong suit.
Voting blue up and down the ballot wherever you live will go a lot farther to achieving universal healthcare then boycotting this election. A boycott is a vote for another right turn.
Let me repeat. Make no mistake about it. Boycotting this election is a vote for another right turn.
Surely we can agree we have suffered enough of those?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)The U.S. Senate has 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats. There is your reason. EOD
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)And it's just waiting for the right amount of kvetching or sign of calamity to spring into action and pass out free medical insurance to everyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,258 posts)"I would say that in the Senate, there are at most 10 votes for a single payer plan. In the House I have no idea but it's a small minority. It's absurd to say, 'Mr. President, go forward and make your bill single payer,' when you've got 10% of the Congress supporting you."
Bernie should stop telling his supporters that all politicians are corrupt and that's why there's not more progressive legislation. Anyone can see all the progressive legislation passed by the Democratic majority House hit the wall of the Republican Senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
He blames both parties when it's actually just the one. Because we're all the same. Establishment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
eilen
(4,950 posts)I'm comfortable with relying on the suburban cross-voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Wake up, Bernie. Your time has passed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blasphemer
(3,286 posts)The number of voters in his contingent has gone down since '16 and people not in his base are growing weary and suspicious. People will associate progressive policies with a very flawed man and a failed movement based on bitter, grievance politics rather than on ideas and energy. That's not ultimately beneficial.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)and pivot to Trump.
No more debates. Bernie wants to keep running? Fine. Let him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
William769
(55,830 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quit giving oxygen to this boring old has-been with the dwindling voter support.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(29,813 posts)Anyone that wont get behind a real Democratic nominee, arent going to vote Dem anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,258 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)He wants to end this cycle with $ 30 million in his campaign chest so that he can primary Democratic Congressman/woman in 2022 with far left candidates in safe blue seats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)When he hasn't done that in the past?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,023 posts)You lost now go away.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(10,823 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
frazzled
(18,402 posts)they will never never never know it, oooh, oooh, oooh. His face has been on tv repeating his three main themes thousands of times.
Hey, heres Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes to explain how it works (in love as in politics)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(11,479 posts)He can have his legacy read Statesman or Spoiler. I don't care how many excuses the man or his campaign use, they are the choices.
His 'life's work' will be defined accordingly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Then he's going to sit around for two months hoping for miracle that will swing voters back to him before contests begin anew.
A two month time out to give people time to reassess their obvious unreasonableness and just maybe fall in love with socialism again.
Of course he'll have to win over 60% in every remaining primary to have a shot, but remember, this is a guy who seriously thought he could reverse weeks of voter rejection with an self imagined sea change debate performance. No floor was mopped as oft promised yet the promiser unapologetically persists.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,703 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)The negativity is all important, Bernie being 'revolutionary' by rejecting establishment positivity and solutions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)without continuing to run for POTUS. He could start in the Senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden