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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:44 AM Mar 2020

In 24 hours we will have a presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party

The numerical possibility of Biden achieving the nomination under proportional allocation will move from 99% to 100%.

The thin veneer of pretense that Sanders (I) has an outside chance of getting a first ballot win or go to a second ballot where Super Delegates can overcome the popular vote will no longer be tolerated by any serious person regardless of who they personally support.

A small cadre of folks who believe that if you really really believe life can mirror a musical and groups can break out into dance and orchestrated song and that Bernie is not only a very sweet person but can also win will persist but even Sanders (I) will acknowledge the obvious.

Sen Sanders (I) will face the ultimate professional challenge of his life

1) make the decision to become a team player and make an enthusiastic and unqualified endorsement of Vice President Biden, or,

2) find an ideological pretense ("let everyone have an opportunity to let their voice be heard at the ballot box", or some other nonsense) so that he can continue to build a post 2020 war chest that will enable him to raise up a couple of dozen true believers to run against Democratic incumbents in 2022 primaries.

It would be great to see Sanders (I) exit at the top of his game with grace and dignity, but it is doubtful.

What is known is that after tomorrow this country will start taking a step away from the ledge of bombastic incompetence, aggressive self promotion and criminal greed.

I will stop waking up in the middle of the night with clenched teeth and a recitation of all the Presidential stupid of the day.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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In 24 hours we will have a presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party (Original Post) grantcart Mar 2020 OP
And, it all happens on St Paddy's Day.. Cha Mar 2020 #1
Ironically when I just clicked on your post the ad that came up was an ad to sign a grantcart Mar 2020 #9
Yeah, I won't say what I Cha Mar 2020 #25
I won't say what I think either but I bet it's the same as you. Walleye Mar 2020 #26
I would quite imagine! Cha Mar 2020 #27
Lol everyone is so modest grantcart Mar 2020 #28
. TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #2
get the result, get the concession and withdrawal, put em both in quarantine til the virus passes nt msongs Mar 2020 #3
Agree with the quarantine for them both! pazzyanne Mar 2020 #4
Breaking: Ohio Supreme Court grants delay. No in-person voting tomorrow Macima Mar 2020 #5
Thanks for that.. so now it's legal Cha Mar 2020 #6
I don't think it's legal. LisaL Mar 2020 #11
They own the courts and Gore V Bush wasn't legal either...but it happened...the courts will elect Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #17
BS won't drop out. Squinch Mar 2020 #7
I agree with you grantcart. gademocrat7 Mar 2020 #8
It is my opinion that we are looking at a 1929 scenario here...truly we need to elect Biden and Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #10
With Ohio postponing their primary BidenBacker Mar 2020 #12
Bernie will never leave. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #13
After tonight Biden will have a lead of 325 delegates NCProgressive Mar 2020 #14
I think we already have a presumptive nominee. But if you mean... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #15
You don't get it...it will be mathematically impossible given propoprtional delegate allocation for Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #16
No, it will not be *mathematically impossible* tomorrow. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #18
Yeah because he can win 70% of the remaining vote? No it is over and he needs to concede tonight. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #19
We seem to mostly agree here except for the actual definition of "mathematically impossible." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #21
It would have been 70...had Ohio had a primary...used that in my calculations. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #31
It won't be possible anymore...even if Biden lost every remaining race which won't happen, Sanders Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #20
Reasonably it is "mathematically impossible" because of proportional allocation. grantcart Mar 2020 #22
I predict BS will concede sometime in late July comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #23
Just voted Joe in FL voteearlyvoteoften Mar 2020 #24
Great post! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #29
Thanks grantcart Mar 2020 #30
 

Cha

(305,475 posts)
1. And, it all happens on St Paddy's Day..
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:57 AM
Mar 2020

Good Luck to us all!

Thank you for this, grant.. The day we get rid of the monster in the WH who is killing our people and environment cannot come soon Enough Already!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. Ironically when I just clicked on your post the ad that came up was an ad to sign a
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:26 AM
Mar 2020

Card to tell Bernie to stay in the race.

I am guessing he ends the campaign in June with $ 25 million.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,475 posts)
25. Yeah, I won't say what I
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:54 PM
Mar 2020

really think about that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Walleye

(35,868 posts)
26. I won't say what I think either but I bet it's the same as you.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 03:14 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,475 posts)
27. I would quite imagine!
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 03:22 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
28. Lol everyone is so modest
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 07:10 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(70,197 posts)
3. get the result, get the concession and withdrawal, put em both in quarantine til the virus passes nt
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 03:02 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pazzyanne

(6,604 posts)
4. Agree with the quarantine for them both!
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 03:36 AM
Mar 2020

I have been worried about this since the beginning. Don't have the same worry about Mr. Stupid I am sorry to say. You can't fix stupid!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Macima

(13 posts)
5. Breaking: Ohio Supreme Court grants delay. No in-person voting tomorrow
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 04:23 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,475 posts)
6. Thanks for that.. so now it's legal
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 04:49 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LisaL

(46,624 posts)
11. I don't think it's legal.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:41 AM
Mar 2020

OH Supreme court denied a challenge by a local candidate. It didn't rule that election can be cancelled or postponed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,024 posts)
17. They own the courts and Gore V Bush wasn't legal either...but it happened...the courts will elect
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:28 AM
Mar 2020

dirty donnie...at least that is the plan...this was a trial balloon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gademocrat7

(11,174 posts)
8. I agree with you grantcart.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:46 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,024 posts)
10. It is my opinion that we are looking at a 1929 scenario here...truly we need to elect Biden and
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:36 AM
Mar 2020

Last edited Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:09 AM - Edit history (1)

Sanders really needs to go. We had word today and I can't say where or how that we soon may have a big three shutdown...for a minimum of two weeks. Sanders should get the fuck out and accept he lost which he has.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BidenBacker

(1,089 posts)
12. With Ohio postponing their primary
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 09:55 AM
Mar 2020

Biden won't be able to go 4-for-4 today.

Joe will have to be satisfied with only going 3-for-3 with an intentional walk.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
13. Bernie will never leave. n/t
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:00 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
14. After tonight Biden will have a lead of 325 delegates
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:11 AM
Mar 2020

Which means Bernie has to win 71% of the remaining delegates. There is not a single pro-Bernie state left except maybe Rhode Island where in Sanders' best case scenario, he will net 2 delegates.

Even if Biden loses ALL the remaining states by 40:60, he still gets a majority of the delegates.

Drop out Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(12,350 posts)
15. I think we already have a presumptive nominee. But if you mean...
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:12 AM
Mar 2020

...that it will finally be a mathematical impossibility for any other outcome to exist, no, that won't happen today, Biden needs more than 1000 additional delegates, and there aren't nearly that many up for grabs today.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,024 posts)
16. You don't get it...it will be mathematically impossible given propoprtional delegate allocation for
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:25 AM
Mar 2020

Sanders to catch Biden...Already Sanders would have to win all the races by at least 20 points which will not happen.he is done and after today, there is no path. He should concede tonight.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(12,350 posts)
18. No, it will not be *mathematically impossible* tomorrow.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:42 AM
Mar 2020

Words have meanings. As long as Bernie could conceivably win by capturing all remaining delegates, it is not mathematically impossible for him to win. Of course that's not going to happen. But if we're going to talk about what's not going to happen, well I think we've already passed that threshold (and you do as well, based on "Already Sanders would have to win all the races by at least 20 points which will not happen" ). So what if after today, he would have to win all remaining races by 30 or 40 points instead of 20? That's still in the "will not happen" category, but not mathematically impossible.

But assuming today goes as expected, with Biden further increasing his delegate lead over Sanders, I do think it would be good for Sanders to step aside.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,024 posts)
19. Yeah because he can win 70% of the remaining vote? No it is over and he needs to concede tonight.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:05 AM
Mar 2020

I guess we will find out about what sort of character he has...in the middle of a dangerous crisis will he do the right thing and end the primary? He has no path to the nomination and only hurts our efforts in the General.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(12,350 posts)
21. We seem to mostly agree here except for the actual definition of "mathematically impossible."
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:17 AM
Mar 2020

I agree, realistically, he won't win 70% of the remaining vote. Nor is he going to win 57%, which I believe was the number as of yesterday (or thereabouts). But as long as the number does not exceed 100, it is not mathematically impossible, and I'm not sure getting 70% is so much less likely than getting 57%!

Though just to play devil's advocate, there is a way he could conceivably win 70% or more of remaining votes... god forbid... something happens to Biden that forces him to quit the race. Though perhaps even then, some who "suspended" their campaigns would re-enter? I have no idea how that would work. And I hope we never find out!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,024 posts)
31. It would have been 70...had Ohio had a primary...used that in my calculations.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 10:44 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,024 posts)
20. It won't be possible anymore...even if Biden lost every remaining race which won't happen, Sanders
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:08 AM
Mar 2020

can't catch him give proportional allocation after tonight...he will have to 350 to 400 delegates more than Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
22. Reasonably it is "mathematically impossible" because of proportional allocation.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:14 PM
Mar 2020

Sanders would have to consistently win 75% of the vote in primary voting states.

His largest margin of victory at the polls was Vermont. Biden is likely to surpass 70 in 2 states today.

While the bare numbers would allow for a theoretical chance the assumptions needed for any scenario where Sanders could catch up are so fantastical as to put it at less than 1/10th of 1 %.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,473 posts)
23. I predict BS will concede sometime in late July
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:18 PM
Mar 2020

but will never stop fund raising or campaigning. He will run again in 2024 no matter who wins this year.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

voteearlyvoteoften

(1,716 posts)
24. Just voted Joe in FL
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:58 PM
Mar 2020

Forgot to send absentee in time. There was no sanitizer at polling place , but I have a bottle.
Go Blue!!💙 🇺🇸

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
29. Great post!
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 07:12 PM
Mar 2020

Thank you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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