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Democratic Primaries

George II

(67,782 posts) Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:33 PM Mar 2020

21

Bernie's Choice: Ride or Die

Does he want to make his followers feel righteous, or beat Donald Trump?

by RICHARD NORTH PATTERSON MARCH 17, 2020 5:21 AM

Donald Trump must be defeated,” Bernie Sanders insists, “and I will do everything in my power to make that happen.”

But will he?

After Tuesday’s primaries, Sanders will confront a defining choice: continue his doomed campaign—further attempting to damage Biden in the minds of both swing voters and his most fervent supporters—or seek an accommodation which preserves his influence and maximizes Biden’s chances.

His course remains worrisome. As Paul Krugman puts it, “Sanders and those around him have a bad habit of suggesting that anyone who questions their political strategy is a corrupt tool of the oligarchy.”

In the narrative too often embraced by Bernie’s base, Sanders never actually loses—he gets screwed. His designated antagonists are “the Democratic establishment” and the “venomous” and “corrupt” “corporate media.” From this perspective, the media slights his agenda. As for the party: “One of the things I was kind not surprised by was the power of the establishment to force Amy Klobuchar [and] Pete Buttigieg… out of the race.”

Four paragraphs doesn't do this justice. More:

https://thebulwark.com/bernies-choice-ride-or-die/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie's Choice: Ride or Die (Original Post) George II Mar 2020 OP

Kick & recommended. William769 Mar 2020 #1

There's always the third path - JOIN THE FUCKING TEAM relayerbob Mar 2020 #2

Good article. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #3

Me too...but Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #4

yeah, that reads like a Sanders supporter intervention. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #5

Kicked and recced for truth. ehrnst Mar 2020 #6

KnR NCProgressive Mar 2020 #7

Only ONE party can defeat the GOP: DEMOCRATS. Only ONE candidate can defeat Trump: BIDEN. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #8

+1,000,000 George II Mar 2020 #11

+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #16

Great article. showblue22 Mar 2020 #9

Hey, Bernie did such a fantastic job of denying Trump the office last time... TreasonousBastard Mar 2020 #10

Bernie Sanders insists, "and I will do everything in my power to make that happen." Cha Mar 2020 #12

PS Bookmark! Cha Mar 2020 #13

KICK! Cha Mar 2020 #14

K&R Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #15

Excellent article. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #17

smh.. what else can I do?! Cha Mar 2020 #19

You too Cha! Scurrilous Mar 2020 #20

.. Cha Mar 2020 #21

That article is exactly true. betsuni Mar 2020 #18

Yep. Touches on most everything. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #22

"Sanders insists that his campaign is winning on the issues radius777 Mar 2020 #23

Whatever the reason, he can't win the nomination and obviously without that can't be President. George II Mar 2020 #24

William769

(55,830 posts)

1. Kick & recommended.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:36 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

relayerbob

(7,020 posts)

2. There's always the third path - JOIN THE FUCKING TEAM

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:42 PM

Mar 2020

Sorry for the outburst, carry on

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)

3. Good article.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:45 PM

Mar 2020

I hope Sanders does the right thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(34,666 posts)

4. Me too...but

Reply to Turin_C3PO (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:50 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

wyldwolf

(43,891 posts)

5. yeah, that reads like a Sanders supporter intervention.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:51 PM

Mar 2020

In sum Sanders, his campaign, and too many of his followers embraced an electoral strategy premised on magical thinking.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

6. Kicked and recced for truth.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 12:55 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)

7. KnR

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 01:26 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)

8. Only ONE party can defeat the GOP: DEMOCRATS. Only ONE candidate can defeat Trump: BIDEN.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 01:37 PM

Mar 2020

Only ONE party can defeat the GOP: DEMOCRATS. Only ONE candidate can defeat Trump: BIDEN.

It won't be the Green party, or the Socialist party, or the Libertarians. It won't be Bernie, it won't be Jill, or Roseann Barr, or Deez Nutz, or Bofa DeSnutz.

It will be JOE BIDEN and it will be the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

Any vote that does not DIRECTLY benefit Joe Biden ends up benefiting Donald Trump. If it doesn't ADD to Biden's total, then that's just ONE LESS VOTE that Trump needs to surpass him. It's simple math.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

11. +1,000,000

Reply to NurseJackie (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:17 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

betsuni

(27,258 posts)

16. +1

Reply to NurseJackie (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:28 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

showblue22

(1,026 posts)

9. Great article.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 01:38 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)

10. Hey, Bernie did such a fantastic job of denying Trump the office last time...

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 01:47 PM

Mar 2020

we should just let him do more of the same this year.

Unless, maybe, just maybe, he would SHUT THE FUCK UP AND JOIN WITH BIDEN.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(305,440 posts)

12. Bernie Sanders insists, "and I will do everything in my power to make that happen."

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:29 PM

Mar 2020

Yeah.. he did say that, didn't he? Thanks for the reminder, George.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(305,440 posts)

13. PS Bookmark!

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:31 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(305,440 posts)

14. KICK!

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:16 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Just_Vote_Dem

(3,135 posts)

15. K&R

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:20 PM

Mar 2020

Thanks George, great article

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)

17. Excellent article.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:58 PM

Mar 2020

'In sum Sanders, his campaign, and too many of his followers embraced an electoral strategy premised on magical thinking.'

Magic fairy dust revolution? LOL

That magical thinking was evident when they spent a week or so spamming 'Biden senile' then went into the debate thinking Bernie would trounce, bounce, and then win today because 'Biden senile.' They bought their own magical thinking. Suckered themselves.

Magical thinking presents: Very Strong Decisive Victory Win. Also, Surge (Polls Rising).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(305,440 posts)

19. smh.. what else can I do?!

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 06:09 PM

Mar 2020

Mahalo for that, Scurrilous Stay Safe

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)

20. You too Cha!

Reply to Cha (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 06:37 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(305,440 posts)

21. ..

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 06:46 PM

Mar 2020

Mahalo!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

betsuni

(27,258 posts)

18. That article is exactly true.

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 06:04 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)

22. Yep. Touches on most everything.

Reply to betsuni (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 07:11 PM

Mar 2020

"Especially telling was that more non-college whites have turned out in 2020 than in 2016—and most of them have voted for Biden."

There was a major poll in the Independent? Economist? that came out right before Iowa showing Biden in first w/ this group. Bernie paid it no heed. Instead posited himself as the working class hero. Condescending clownery.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

radius777

(3,814 posts)

23. "Sanders insists that his campaign is winning on the issues

Reply to George II (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 07:24 PM

Mar 2020

and losing only because primary voters fear that he’s not electable. But this misses the point: Voters fear he’s unelectable because of his positions on the issues."

Excellent article, much respect for the Bullwark, who are anti-Trump Repubs.

Dem voters are overwhelmingly center-left pragmatic people who support safety-net capitalism not socialism or nationalized healthcare that removes private choices. Americans like choice and options, so what works in Europe and other places will never work for us. Why we need to build on Obamacare like Biden wants to.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

24. Whatever the reason, he can't win the nomination and obviously without that can't be President.

Reply to radius777 (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 17, 2020, 07:29 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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