and continues his assault on our nominee...he should concede. I despise him and have interest in anything he supports.

But this movement is deadly serious, and many people are hoping for this type of change in our country. However, the powers that be are definitely not in favor of it.

A vague, diaphanous bumper stickers alleging "many people are hoping for..." holds no real credibility. It's merely an allegation.

(use of objective evidence/data to support a premise is rational thought. Alleging a thing without objective evidence/data to support it, by definition irrational-- in other words, just another bumper sticker)

It's reality in huge rallies all over the country.

Crowd size does not equate to anything other than crowd size.

Don't dismiss rational thought simply because it interferes with your narrative...

That kind of nasty statement is not permitted under DU rules. I'm not going to report it, but I hope you make a note that a discussion does not have to get personal to be valid.

However, I am basing my assessment on a great many news stories on the rallies that Bernie has held, where they showed the crowd size (which I saw with my own eyes), and the millions of supporters who donated to his campaign, and because of the news stories that have shared that many of the trump voters wanted the kind of "revolution" from trump that Bernie has been talking about, but they never got from trump. It's been all over the news for a couple of years...AOC has talked about it, MSNBC, CNN have all talked about it, so it has nothing whatsoever to do with me "dismissing rational thought". This is a phenomena that is going on in real time, and ignoring it, or dissing those who are talking about it, will not make it disappear overnight.

Nothing you listed means anything if Sanders can't get the votes. It's been pretty well established by now by actual data, actual votes, and actual delegate totals -- and not irrelevant stuff like TV appearances -- that Biden is winning, and winning easily. He's on track to end up with 2400 delegates, more than 400 more than a simple majority.

Here's some more simple math: 99+% to 0.1% -- https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/

Sanders would be doing better.

there is only one reality that means anything and that is political power through ballots. Sanders can't do that regardless of the rallies. Why?

Face it few Democratic voters want anything to do with a self avowed socialist. Even on DU which is way left of the average democratic voter he is not popular.

Add in a curmudgeon and not a Democrat. And really, if the movement was as big and serious as you suggest I would think they would bother to actually vote.

The problem is, anytime anyone says anything even a little bit good about Bernie, we have this ARMY of Biden extremists who absolutely POUNCE AND DENOUNCE everything that is said. It has actually turned many people toward Bernie on this site (as per private emails) because people are so sick and tired of being bullied.

Just look at this thread. Who are you guys? You're an army of really hard hitting posters whose posts are extreme in the negative about anything Bernie.

Anytime someone posts a thread saying anything nice about Bernie or his beliefs, here come 20 or 25 Biden supporters trashing everything that is said. Nobody can start a thread without this being the result.

Many people have already quit posting on DU because of it.

I was responding to the crux of the argument that “the powers that be” are the reason Biden is winning. Which frankly is trump level conspiracy shit. Another way of blaming it on the Establishment. Biden is winning because more Democratic voters are actually casting their ballot for him. A provable, factual statement.

Then I gave a couple of reasons why.

1. He is a self titled socialist. Democratic Socialist. Adjective/noun, if I remember my 40 year old grammar classes. The one describes the other. He calls himself a socialist. I did not criticize him for that and did not even criticize socialism. I just stated a majority of Democratic voters do not identify with the term. A fact also supported by votes up till now.

Finally, I never even insinuated that no one on DU supports Bernie. I read the site daily so am acutely aware he has supporters. But even on DU, which is way more liberal than the average Democratic voter, Bernie is not supported by a majority.

Unless you take offense to my description of him as a curmudgeon, I in no way insulted Bernie nor his supporters, many of whom I respect.

I think Bernie’s message is helpful for the party. I don’t think his continuing to campaign is.

Trump gets re-elected. That’s why. Bernie has no shot at the nomination. It’s time to unite behind the presumptive nominee and get to work on getting Trump out of office.

If Bernie doesn’t do well tonight, he needs to quit and back Joe for the nomination. Dragging it out last time didn’t help anyone, but trump.

There is always a subset of voters who won't vote because their candidate didn't win the nomination. It happens every cycle. We just have to account for it and ignore the ones who are intent on disruption and won't show up regardless.

but it's good to know that satire is still satire!

Blame that on the skipper.

-Laelth

So much for the "movement..."

After the convention, we'll be reading articles in Jacobin about "What Might Have Been a Revolution..."

Feh!

you can call it a movement, and many other terms can apply.

But if you've spent 30 years in Congress, you can't call yourself an outsider.

And if you are trying to appeal to people who want an outsider running things, forget it. Those people elected theirs in 2016.

I think though the world community under the circumstances has had more than enough of senile politicians repeating their delusions of self importance out loud.

hence it's failure to dare.