Makes me so mad!

That's all I better say about that.

Because it’s not about the election anymore since he lost that.

Bernie wants a payday and he can’t get that from the floor of the Senate.

He acts like he's president already.

Give it a rest, Bernie, it's over.

handle dealing with all the responsibility a real president (as opposed to the sham in the White House) has to deal with?

That sort of show of temper isn't good for his heart, either.

For his own sake, and ours, I hope he ends his campaign, focuses on the work necessary in the Senate now, and takes some time off as soon as possible.

Just doing their jobs.

Front page. We'd be hearing about it for years.

I suppose it is still possible, but that wasn't very encouraging.

Maybe that's why he never got few more bills passed than a couple of name-the-post-office measures. I think the last number I heard was 6-8 bills - in all that time he's spent in the House and Senate.

We are already dealing with the worst US president in history and we don't need to follow up with more of the same, IMHO.

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Outrageous!!

Doesn't Want to Answer! How Dare BS get Asked Such Questions About Losing all the States ON the Latest Super Spectacular Tuesday?!!!

He already told them politely no comment in regards to the electio multiple times, and they rudely ignored him. I doubt any of us would react much differently to their disrespect. Just like all those jerks who disrespected Biden at those events. He was in his right to react as he did to those trump supporters being rude, just as bernie has a right to react to the reporters being rude.

working on the Coronavirus in Congress.. Not just BS.

He just politely requested to talk about solving the crisis and they ignored him. The reporters were lousy jerks and they got what they deserved. Bernie did well.

We're ALL Dealing With a Fucking Global Crises.

BS is trying to make this all about him when Everyone is Working on the CV. he must think it gives him an excuse to be rude and Not answer the question the reporter asked him.. it does not.

He is correct that he is dealing far more directly with this crisis than anybody else outside of congress. He is one 535 legislayors in a country of more than 300 million people -who are not directly dealing with legislation and macro economic solutions to the problem. He was right to have said that after they had been incredibly rude. He is focusing on what is important. What he said was anything but making it about himself. In fact, talking about the election and his running for president is the definition of "making it about himself"

Absolutely no excuses.

The reporter was. He politely made clear several times that isn't something he was going to talk about and the reporter kept very rudely bringing it up.

Generally there are consequences for that

Part of the job. Politicians, like celebrities of stage and screen, volunteer for the attention, and have no cause for complaint. The man could stay at home and raise beetles, after all. No one would ever press him for an answer then.

Reporters can be jerks -they know that, and you shouldn't chastise somebody when they naturally react to reporters overstepping.

He ought at least have learnt by now how to conceal the flaw, if he has been unable to cultivate the virtue.

'Silence is the supreme expression of contempt.'

You have 15 posts. You may have not been exposed to the DU Bernie attack team before. Every day they find something and stretch it to make Bernie the worst person who ever lived. It does not matter what it is. If he was in total isolation, the post would be "Bernie Sanders breathes noisy today, clearly he is the worst person in the world". At this time we should be thinking about unifying, not exercising ones daily hatred of a senator who is liked by Democrats in general (if you get off this site) even though they voted for someone else and had significant numbers of voters who more than just like him, want his policies. Unity would be not beating the drum of hatred on every single mention of his name every single day day after day. My advice is to ignore them because it is impossible to reason. The purpose of these threads is to argue and to try to beat you over the head so that you agree that Bernie is reprehensible in absolutely everything he has ever done. It is not to understand your point that a person is entitled to say one does not want to talk about something to a reporter if there is a crisis going on.

and since Biden started to run, there were plenty of posts about how awful he was, until he started to surge forward.

This thread illustrates how it works. A reporter pushes a question that has already been given by another reporter with a "no comment" answer. "PBS’s Lisa Desjardins noted that she had asked Sanders about his campaign before Raju’s question, and he had said “no comment.” But Manu asked the same question again. This is a reporters job and happens all the time. Sometimes the politician answers sometimes not. Bernie again answered that he would not discuss this but he was talking about was the virus.

So here is how it works if you just want to attack him You find this nothing burger of an interaction from twitter and inflate it and put factual significance into it. And it works regardless of what Bernie actually does. If Bernie talked about his campaign, he would be the worst person in the world because he talked about his campaign in the middle of a pandemic. When he says he does not want to, then he is the worst person in the world cause he doesn't.

So then you take his actual response to this reporter which has the words "I" and the word "We" and read the word "We" out of it and post that it proves that Bernie is eqocentric and the worst person in the world. Then you base your attacks around the use of the word "lash" rather than "tell" and the word "angry" which are the reporter (Manu) subjective words. Was Bernie in fact angry or frustrated. Was this just direct speech to emphasize again that he was not going to take these questions or was it actual anger. The use of the words "angry" and "lash" are used rather than neutral words to imply this is an affirmative act rather than a response to a reporter trying to pin him down. It turns out (see below) that it was actually one direct statement within a reasonable moderate discussion within a number of reporters and not in a press conference called for that purpose.

If you actually research this interaction between Manu and Bernie you will find that this is not a video but is Manu's impressions which he is entitled to as an impression but not a fact. If you look further you find that this only comes from the Reporter who confronted him and not someone else who discussed something he or she witnessed. Further, even Manu reduces Sander,'s "anger" to the one response.

From the article "Sanders “was furious,” Raju said of the exchange in a series of tweets. “Afterwards, he mellowed out and answered questions about the crisis for about two more minutes.” "

So despite using "angry" and "lash" it turned out that Bernie then continued to talk reasonably with him and other reporters on the virus for a short period of time in an informal setting. So he did not immediately leave in "anger" but rather continued to talk about the virus which seems to be directly to his point. But this all takes too much work if all you want to do is say "lash" "angry" "unqualified" etc. This is an absolute nothing burger which is inflated to global significance to assert negative attacks on Bernie's character. It would be just as easy to take this nothing burger interaction and inflate it the other way to show that rather than talk about his campaign he wanted to discuss the importance of the virus in policy and continued even though verbally assaulted by a reporter who had already been nicely told that his election at that point was not important. See how easy that was.

Quotes from Manu and Lisa Desjardins in the article at the below site.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/03/bernie-sanders-lashes-out-at-reporter-asking-about-the-state-of-his-campaign/

And yes, Biden and all candidates face unfair attacks in the world. Very little on this site. And further, anyone else attacking Joe on this and other sites does not excuse the players on this thread who do something like the above dance daily to attack Bernie Biden is on path to win this and we need unity. Bernie is not what they portray. He is popular in the country and among democrats, as is Joe. Relentless twisting of every Bernie breath to fuel the desire to beat him and his supporters into the ground on this site is disunifying so rather than just say it happens to Joe, you might question if it should happen to anyone including Bernie and including Bernie on this site.
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Right here. I have a tough time remembering them because they were so absurd. Started with some lady saying he stood to close to her. Then using “malarkey” showed he was out of touch. He seems to attract hecklers of right wing origin and his response to them is always wrong at least to somebody in the forum. Various verbal flubs meant dementia. Worked with old segregationist senators and gets no credit for votes on woman’s issues be wise of Anita hill and he was more guilty than Thomas there.

Yes of course, people are emotional and yes people attack all candidates. But this thread is not attacking Joe, it is attacking Bernie. Further, if you go to the main page, I don't think you will find any attacks on Joe. Have they occurred here and on other sites. I am not sure how many times I have to say yes and I am sure subject to some of the distortions. However, this thread and this site goes the other way and should stop.

Violating boundaries would be asking if and how he mounted his wife last night, or how many women he's raped since writing that rape-y article from the 70s.

None of these questions were out of bounds at all to anyone but a loser with an agenda.

If he thinks these are tough, he would be falling apart like the snowflake he is if he had to deal with one fucking day of facing the press as WJ Clinton or Obama had to do.

Asking what a POTUS candidate is doing with his campaign is SOP. He needs to grow up and deal with that fact, and so do you.

And make so many unsupported allegations.

Consequences, indeed...

and how often do we criticize them for not pushing the Dotard to answer questions he evades? It is very strange to hear Bernie as one who gets to shut down any discussion, like a king. It's rude to repeat the question when he failed to answer it? That's really kowtowing to authority in a way Bernie would not require. What if a billionaire refused to answer a question from a reporter? Bernie I think would not say it was rude to repeat it or call him/her out.

This article seems to imply that he may not be, but I honestly do not know...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/18/bernie-sanderss-moment-is-calling-him-us-senate/

If not, then why not?

Even McCain suspended his campaign to return to DC in the midst of the 2008 financial crisis. That was in September in the heat of the GE campaign against Obama...

https://www.usnews.com/news/campaign-2008/articles/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-shocks-republicans

If Bernie is back at the Capitol then good...that's where he belongs right now helping to hammer out some kinda temporary response to this ever-growing mess we're in.

and insulting to the reporter asking him questions about his campaign.

then I don't wanna hear any of his BS about him trying to "save the planet".

Sanders is worrying about replacing his roof in 10 years while his house is on fire.

says he's back in DC and that is where the confrontation took place. So that's good.

But since nobody in the Capitol seems to get along with him I doubt he'll be much help banging out any emergency measures.

think as a senator concerned about solving a global crisis he would.

just WTF are you doing exactly to "deal with an economic meltdown and a global pandemic"?

If I watch one of his campaign ads will that make me immune or put money into my portfolio?

shush loudly and repeatedly his female aide in front of a crowd of men, and threaten to slap him the voter when he couldn't make his argument cogently. Tell me what that says about Biden? Bernie got testy with a reporter; I'm assuming this might happen especially in a global pandemic, not about a routine question of his stances.

You seem to forget handsy Joe Biden was frequently mean-spirited throughout his campaign towards voters, no less. If it's over for "BS" as you like to call him--like Republicans saying Democrat Party, tsk tsk--then he'll fold his tent in due time. It's a long way to Tipperary and November.

what Biden said.. they want Biden to be President not BS.

And until Bernie folds his tent, I'll be here to remind you, Cha, and others

and that he can beat that monster in the WH.

Because he was and is full of shit, and everyone knows it, and knows Mr. Biden told the truth when he said it. Who on God's earth doesn't want to tell a weapons-grade dumbfuck like that he's full of shit?

Yes, it was about gun ownership, controversial, bound to be a disagreement, but clearly on the minds of a lot of working men in this country, maybe something Biden should have prepared for. If Joe Biden is so violently disrespectful of a voter and rattled that he can't engage in a quick conversation with out cursing, threatening violence, and being disrespectful to his own staff, this does not bode well. Biden may be baited in an argument and made to look an unstable fool without familiarity of the facts. I'm not sure how you came up with "most people etc." The Magistrate, but that seems like just your opinion, which you are, of course, entitled to.

He didn't look the slightest rattled. People like a man knows how to talk to a dickhead. Kindest thing you can do for one is tell him he's full of shit before an audience.

He's been around since the early 70's. Not a good track record for you then? Well, Biden threatening violence *on a voter* because he couldn't win him over with his argument and fully knowing that he would never have to put his money where his mouth is makes him look weak and like a blustering fool. He should have apologized and moved on.

Mr. Biden looked pretty good there for a moment. It is hard to cipher out whether you are a Sunday School superintendent, or auditioning for a live action show of 'Caspar Milquetoast, the Early Years', or simply having us on with an imitation of how you imagine people ought to react to displays of primate dominance. The latter are a large part of electoral politics, for better or worse.

"A liberal may be defined as a man who won't take his own side in a quarrel."



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

It sounds like you, Sir, are the Sunday School superintendent or auditioning for the role of stern aunt in "Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm." I see things just fine, thank you. Primate dominance? I'm a fan of evolutionary psychology, but this was a simple interaction with a voter, one of many a politician is expected to engage in without getting befuddled, yelling "you're full of shit" and threatening violence, which he could not possibly back up as the old duffer he is and surrounded by security. It's a weak look...even for a primate.

Ponderously intone all you want about this or that, but Biden's a lousy candidate, he can barely finish sentences. He needs to take his Geritol, step up his game, go left in his positions, and become more visible during the pandemic.

Good Lord....

L'esprit de l'escalier simmered for days is a damned rank stew.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Not every argument propping up the warbling, wavering conserva-Dem candidate deserves a speedy reply. Good day.

Seriously, I appreciate the occasional little yap-yap-yap. At a friend's place, downstairs there is little mutt who challenges through the door any attempt to open the nearby mailboxes. I do not normally cotton to little yapping dogs, but have grown distantly fond of the thing with time. I hope you will continue to supply me with a morning smile over coming days, and keep this thread up near the top of the forum.

Be well, my friend!




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

The "kid" was reading off bullshit right-wing talking points and not listening to any of the cogent answers Biden gave him.

That's what those of us in the reality-based community saw. It's only bernbots who saw some evil conspiracy in it.

Is there any excuse you bernbots won't trot out to avoid facing reality?

And how is the reporter different? The reporter is at least doing their job. Why is it OK to be rude to reporters and not OK to be rude to stupid trolls who misrepresent one's position?

I'm relatively new here but it seems you are an old returning vet who is held in high regard. Looking forward to exchanging a few posts with you in the future when the occasion arises.

Though you might not think so from the exchange above, I am generally regarded as a model of decorum, a slave to 'that cheerful and roguish vice, politeness.' But I am serious about the rectification of names, and that is what occurred in this instance.

This is my usual tag line, has been for years here:

'When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot.'

For better or worse, in our polity, a candidate must project the ability to fight. People expect their officials to fight for them in office, and if it seems a candidate won't stand up for him or her self, they will not applaud and go 'That's the one for me!'

"Americans love a winner, and hate a loser."

Mistreated them, condescended to multiple women on the campaign trail, trotted out the tired old whiteboi bullshit about identity politics to get women and minorities to shut up and let him decide what could matter to them, lied about the DNC rigging primary processes against him rather than facing the fucking reality that the American voters just aren't into his sorry ass, and--oh yeah--managed to have fuck fucking all in legislation he's written and gotten passed to show for 30 years in DC.

Do you want more? Because I have more.

we don't know how Bernie would have handled a similar thing. Presumably similarly.

and integrity politically. Earned or not. Bernie, on the other hand, because of his surrogates’ behavior, and that of a minority of his more vocal supporters, as well as his own personality has
not got that same reputation to buffer some flash of anger, an inappropriate moment.

If most of the time he appeared open, friendly, a happy birthday how ya doin’ type, the public would give him some slack. Yes, there’s a great deal of bad feeling about Bernie. His surrogates and some poisonous supporters have inspired it. He had a choice though.

He both openly and tacitly approved underhanded politicking against rivals and truly egregious conduct. Unfortunately, his failure to reign them in makes it easy to associate him with their awfulness and then pick on an ungraceful moment.

It's one of the reasons his local papers in Vermont haven't interviewed him in years and years, because he refuses interviews where he isn't allowed to vet the questions before they are posed. Of course, Vermont papers won't destroy their own journalistic integrity by kow-towing to politicians in public offices, so they are at an impasse. We've also seen Senator Sanders rip off his mike and leave the interview when he didn't like the questions, so this is par for the course. If he doesn't like the questions, he throws a tantrum.

This is on line with what my colleague, who was a Senate staffer, said about him. Often rude, always curmudgeonly, rarely gracious.

Link to tweet