He's out. He just hasn't said it yet. IMO, this OP isn't a good vehicle for bringing his supporters into the larger fold.

please stop.

I should have to do zero to make these people understand what vote is the correct vote.

If they don’t know from the last three years. NOTHING I could say or do would change a mind. It is a lost cause.

I suggest you stop playing into their hostage taking.

That's true. The vast majority or Sanders supporters probably already know they will vote for Biden. *Especially* the Sanders supporters on DU, where that number is probably very near 100%.

Nevertheless, a psychological battering down or belittling by Biden supporters can affect enthusiasm. And while an enthusiastic vote may count exactly the same as an unenthusiastic one, there could be differences in things like how much they talk Biden up among their friends, whether they contribute $ to the campaign, whether they volunteer, etc.

I've seen lots of posts over the year of people who said that, even though they would hold their noses and vote for Sanders in the general if it came to that, they would NEVER support him in the primary simply because they can't stand the attitudes they've seen from his supporters. You think that shoe can't be worn on the other foot?

So let me turn this around: With Biden the presumptive nominee, what *positive* impact do you think your OP has? Does it provide any useful info to anyone? Does it make anyone feel better about our candidate? Did you think anyone here actually had the answers to the questions you posed? If you were genuinely curious about what people here thought those answers would be, fine, but you still could have asked the questions (perhaps made it a DU poll) without loaded terms like "slink" -- but since that's not the route you chose, it looks more like you don't really care about those answers, but just felt like putting up another "let's bitch about Bernie" post. So the question is, why? In what way is that productive or useful to anyone?

If you feel you must express solidarity with other Bernie-haters, maybe at least post in the Biden group, where you can do the same venting without ticking off people who it would be better to have as allies.

IMO.

I'm not holding their hand or pampering them. I expect them to act like grownups and vote for the candidate that the VOTERS chose. The ones who won't do the right thing in November and vote for Biden are the people who never intended to do so, no matter what any of us do or say.

See: Sarandon, Susan. See: West, Cornell.

They are responsible for their choices. No one else.

bribing foreign countries by withholding aid, taking away healthcare, cutting Medicaid and food stamps, tax breaks for the rich.... Need I really go on?

We really need to bring these people into the fold? They can’t walk across the thousand lane bridge already waiting for them?

FUCK. THAT. NOISE.

Nope. Can’t hold this party hostage.

1) letting North Korea build up their nuclear arsenal and develop long-range missiles to deliver them and 2) letting our former brave allies the Kurds and their families get slaughtered in Syria and Turkey.

But I guess we all have our own favorite platform planks that we vote for.

Maybe if you are self-quarantined for a month you can make a dent.

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I saw one one newish Bernie supporter get pounced on here. The poster admitted Biden would be the nominee and asked people not to gloat in victory. Got pounced on again and hasn't posted since.

DU is largely unwelcoming to the significant percentage of Democrats who support or supported Bernie. As a community, DU is contributing to the fracture of the Democratic party. It's counter-productive.

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Why antagonize them to the point they stay home? Extremely short-sighted to do so.

A lot of his support comes from independents and those affiliated with third-parties or unaffiliated. It's why he tends to do much better in open primaries. I'd be surprised if his support is majority-Dem, much less a vast majority. He lost Dems 2:1 in 2016 and seems to be on pace for similar numbers this cycle.

**Every Sanders supporter I know is a Registered Dem**. So, my claim is anecdotal.

I'd google it, but I simply don't have time to try to educate people about what is ultimately NONSENSE in the face of the COVID-19 epidemic.

Well, your assertion is clearly false, so the first person you should probably "try to educate" is yourself.

That's YOUR assertion. Prove it.

are Dems, I have no doubt. I have no proof of this but almost all that I’ve encountered are reasonable and seem to agree that Biden will be the nominee and they’ll vote for him. The Sanders people here are not like those toxic people on social media who are giving Sanders voters such a bad name. I think a few Biden supporters here are too harsh towards our Bernie supporters.

DU has historically had a higher-than-average percentage of both and I think they're a significant chunk of his support here. There are a few high-profile Sanders supporters who I know aren't Dems, because they've said so. The assumption that everyone on DU is a Democrat, or even that the vast majority are, is highly unlikely to be true, even now.

"The Sanders people here are not like those toxic people on social media who are giving Sanders voters such a bad name."

That's clearly not true. Some DUers have been pushing the same nonsense as Sanders' staff, including the "dementia" conspiracy theories, though that meme pretty much died after the last debate, the false assertions about Biden and Social Security, and the constant drumbeat of anti-Democratic Party nonsense plugged by people like David Sirota.

(although I haven’t seen anyone here use the “dementia” slur) but I think some of that can be chalked up to typical primary rivalry. Not the blatantly mean stuff, of course. I guess I’m also going on my personal experience with Sanders voters, which is very positive. My mom was one and my friend group are all Sanders Democrats who are excited to vote for Biden to get Trump out of office. I realize it’s anecdotal.

Let's not drive them away.

Yeah, we know where the really divisive behavior has come from.

Divisive behavior was directed to the poster, not from.

that they’ll need to vote Blue No Matter Who isn’t the sort of person who can be convinced. They’re just self-congratulatory juicebox revolutionaries priding themselves on their iconoclastic purity. I’m over their shit.

I’d love to give credit but I honestly don’t remember.

Charlie Pierce.

I think future chair and committee assignments should be contingent on his swift withdrawal and his full throated and sincere endorsement of Joe Biden... along with his continued, cooperative, and coordinated help in taking the fight directly to the GOP... and an immediate and permanent cessation of all hostilities, smears, lies, divisive and derogatory remarks about Democrats, the Democratic party, and Joe Biden.

All I'm trying to say is this: If he's an "ally" then he needs to start acting like one. If he cannot act like one, if he cannot get with the program... then we need to stop affording him certain honors, assignments, privileges. I think that's a perfectly reasonable condition to make. There's nothing wrong with setting minimum standards and having higher expectations.

Many of their arguments of him remaining are akin to political hostage taking.

I am not into it.

Who thinks that if he keeps hanging around and driving by your house and following you wherever you go, that you'll agree to go out with him, rather than calling the cops on him as a creepy psycho stalker.

will still be helpful in the Senate. Honestly, the more behind-the-scenes Bernie remains the more clear it will be, even to some of those supporters who do not wish to give up. With the remaining primary season in question, I think Biden should just move forward as the nominee "apparent".

If Bernie goes quiet, it is hard for his more deleterious spokespeople/vocal supporters to be out there. And, that is a good thing. I will be forever grateful if I never hear from Nina Turner, Ceng Uygur, David Sirota, Briahna Joy Gray, Susan Sarandon again. And Michael Moore needs to open his eyes and get a clue.

While the nation is distracted he appears to hope he and Tulsi can park on the ticket indefinitely, and lay low until the next opportunity arises to embarrass Biden or call attention to himself. In other words to hang around until he's expelled, which he is pretty sure won't happen.

I am not so sure this will be permitted. Dems seem less willing to indulge his play-acting than last time.

Galatians 6﹕7

don’t call Bernie Sanders a creepy psycho stalker. It’s unbecoming.

so maybe that will work in our favor. He also looks bad...he can't win but wants to continue the primary during a crisis in this country. I was thinking today, who gives two fucks if he stays in or goes...he is irrelevant at this point. His place is in the Senate.

That's why we have a "Trash Thread" function.

Yet only now, after the writing on the wall, are the very same ones who maintained that pretense lecturing us on civility.

So yeah... as far as I'm concerned, it's empty, disingenuous and piteous self-serving to call for a conditional unity.