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Related: About this forumHow It All Came Apart for Bernie Sanders
In mid-January, a few weeks before the Iowa caucuses, Senator Bernie Sanderss pollster offered a stark prognosis for the campaign: Mr. Sanders was on track to finish strong in the first three nominating states, but Joseph R. Biden Jr.s powerful support from older African-Americans could make him a resilient foe in South Carolina and beyond.
The pollster, Ben Tulchin, in a meeting with campaign aides, recommended a new offensive to influence older black voters, according to three people briefed on his presentation. The data showed two clear vulnerabilities for Mr. Biden: his past support for overhauling Social Security, and his authorship of a punitive criminal justice law in the 1990s.
But the suggestion met with resistance. Some senior advisers argued that it wasnt worth diverting resources from Iowa and New Hampshire, people familiar with the campaigns deliberations said. Others pressed Mr. Tulchin on what kind of message, exactly, would make voters rethink their support for the most loyal ally of the first black president.
Crucially, both Mr. Sanders and his wife, Jane, consistently expressed reservations about going negative on Mr. Biden, preferring to stick with the left-wing policy message they have been pressing for 40 years.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/how-it-all-came-apart-for-bernie-sanders/ar-BB11uW8I?ocid=msedgdhp
Well worth reading.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(7,020 posts)While this is admirable, by allowing to occur, and doing it themselves, they have demonstrated the inability to make big, bold decisions. Going negative is the lower energy, lower class way to go, and demonstrates that they made poor personnel decisions, and are not able to readjust effectively under changing conditions. This all fits in the category of poor leadership qualities. While Sanders has many good policy ideas, in the end, it was his demonstrated poor leadership skills that led me to other candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(8,405 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jim_S
(72 posts)The orange anal blister's campaign won't hesitate to go negative and bring up all those past issues that could be very problomatic in the general election. It wasn't Bernie's style to do that, and it cost him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
videohead5
(2,433 posts)In black and white he can hit Trump over the head with. The cuts to social security, Medicare and Medicaid. If he brings up the crime bill he can hit Trump with the Central Park Five.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)As soon as he started losing, he went negative and and made ads with exactly the kind of points that the article mentioned.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(62,106 posts)"Crucially, both Mr. Sanders and his wife, Jane, consistently expressed reservations about going negative on Mr. Biden, preferring to stick with the left-wing policy message they have been pressing for 40 years."
I was so disappointed over everybody jumping Biden instead of Trump.
We needed a message of what was wrong with Trumps programs. And Joe and Bernie got it right.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(70,178 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)For Sanders to refrain from negative campaigning, he would have to fire most of his aides and surrogates, and denounce publicly as fools and frauds his most dedicated supporters. All he has ever done is try and posture as above what his claque says, and campaign for the destruction of the 'Democratic Establishment'. Which of course includes any prominent Democrat holding or seeking office.
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)Everyone who is anyone was predicting Sanders would fizzle. I'm surprised he didn't get the word before January.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Of the two points brought up:
1. Biden didn't support "overhauling" Social Security, but make relatively minor changes to it - changes that from time to time even Sanders advocated.
2. Although Biden did author the bill, Sanders (in the House at the time) voted for the bill.
It could be that they didn't "go negative" because that could have backfired considering Sanders' record on both issues.
Parenthetically, after the bill was passed it was noted that the penalties for the two types of cocaine were inconsistent. Accordingly Democrats in 1995 proposed to lessen the penalty for crack cocaine to that of powder cocaine. Sanders balked at that - instead he wanted to RAISE the penalty for powder cocaine to that of crack cocaine, effectively strengthening the penalties in the bill that Democrats wanted to weaken.
This may be another reason why the Sanders campaign didn't want to "go negative" - it would have exposed glaring faults in his positions on the 1994 Crime Bill.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
William769
(55,830 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)'Don't vote for him, he voted just like me!' is a pretty poor line of attack. Oh, Sanders had his 'reasons' for casting that vote, but he he cast it, and those 'reasons' don't matter a tinker's damn against that. Hard as it is to remember now, a good deal of support for that bill came from leaders in the black community, where many certainly felt themselves menaced by increasingly violent crime. Such men and women may be forgiven for failing to forsee how police would treat it as carte blanche for assault on young black men in general.
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
And they already used the crime bill.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)The voters chose Biden and not Sanders. Its time we listen to the voters and move forward.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,760 posts)This inside story is undercut by the fact that Bernie repeatedly goes negative. He even went negative on Elizabeth Warren. Bernie primary message is to attack the character of his opponents to suggest that they are motivated by personal greed or are agents of the "establishment."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/11/bernie-quietly-goes-negative-on-warren-097594
Sanders campaign has begun stealthily attacking Warren as a candidate of the upper crust who could not expand the Democratic base in a general election, according to talking points his campaign is using to sway voters and obtained by POLITICO.
The script instructs Sanders volunteers to tell voters leaning toward the Massachusetts senator that the people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what and that she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.
I like Elizabeth Warren. [optional] the script begins. In fact, shes my second choice. But heres my concern about her. It then pivots to the criticisms of Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FM123
(10,126 posts)I like Elizabeth Warren. [optional] the script begins. In fact, shes my second choice. But heres my concern about her. It then pivots to the criticisms of Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,590 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)Bernie's campaign did use SS and the crime bill. Also, his campaign staff were retweeting accounts that were talking about Joe and "dementia." Pretty low and negative if you ask me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,760 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)Yes. He lumps us together with repukes. It's insulting. As a proud democrat, I feel insulted. It's part of the reason he lost. He kept insulting us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...relentless on twitter and other social media, repeating almost hourly for weeks the phony "Biden wants to cut SS", "Biden wrote the Crime Bill", and their latest "Biden will veto medicare for all".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,703 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,590 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)I'm glad he lost. Can you imagine him running the WH like this?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,590 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)Good god!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,703 posts)Bernie's 2016 Michigan ad:
He had two negative Biden ads, a similar one on NAFTA and another one on SS, running for weeks in battleground states, including Michigan, until this week in fact:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/04/sanders-kicks-new-phase-campaign-ad-blitz-challenging-biden-march-primary-states
"reservations about going negative on Mr. Biden"? Oh please. It's SOP.
p.s. When looking for Bernie's 2016 NAFTA ad I came across one very similar to it -- except that it's a 2016 Trump ad:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(10,823 posts)ability for the landslide he projected, expected. Took off the glow immediately. The black vote in SC spoke. Amy and Pete and Beto getting behind Biden in Texas.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)"Mr. Sanders was not interested in moving in that direction. Some advisers, who endured the divisive 2016 campaign, believed that it was only after seizing a dominant advantage that Mr. Sanders could attempt to make peace with a Democratic establishment that remained intensely wary of him."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,590 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,703 posts)It seemed so supremely tacky, especially after blowing off the march in Selma that weekend. Welp, he got his ass handed to him, and no one can say he didn't earn it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)TY, Goth!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,440 posts)So much for "internal polling".. And Mahalo James Clyburn and all the GOTV..like Vivica A Fox!
We Told him.. Keep it up!
Ooops.. bern notice guy...
No can do..
BS "knew who to blame".. no self reflection.. There's that word again.. "ESTABLISMENT".. deal!
What the establishment wanted was to make sure that people coalesced around Biden and try to defeat me, Mr. Sanders said. So thats not surprising.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,590 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)We must defeat Donald Trump. The first step is a primary contest that produces a strong Democratic nominee. The second step is winning the general election. We will not accept anything less. To ensure this outcome, I pledge to:
Make the primary constructive. Ill respect the other candidates and make the primary election about inspiring voters with my vision for the future.
ally behind the winner. Ill support the ultimate Democratic nominee, whomever it is period. No Monday morning quarterbacking. No third-party threats. Immediately after theres a nominee, Ill endorse.
Do the work to beat Trump. I will do everything in my power to make the Democratic Nominee the next President of the United States. As soon as there is a nominee, I will put myself at the disposal of the campaign.
https://pledge.indivisible.org/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(82,931 posts)But it is still a good documentation of events.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided