Democratic Primaries
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(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mindem
(1,580 posts)we're out of toilet paper all over the place.
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Cha
(304,720 posts)https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100213141466
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betsuni
(27,255 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(304,720 posts)aren't already working on. Too Soon?
Pelosi's Got This!
Pelosi said in a letter to her colleagues provided to PoliticusUSA:
As you know, Senator McConnell has released his proposal for a third coronavirus response package, which is not at all pro-worker and puts corporations ahead of working people. As written, it is a non-starter.
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First and foremost, our response must address the coronavirus outbreak as the public health crisis that it is: rebuilding our health care infrastructure on a national scale and securing the resources to test and treat everyone. We must do everything that we can to support doctors and scientists as they pursue treatments, a cure and a vaccine.
https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/20/pelosi-mcconnell-coronavirus-stimulus.html
Thank you, betsuni.. StaySafe!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,411 posts)And, if he cant convince others its his idea what does he do...he votes no!
Stay in VT bernie
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)They're working on the most important bill in decades right now that would help a lot of poor working people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,380 posts)Did McConnell change the rules?
If not, why should anyone care what he says? He is in no position to affect anything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)Any one of us would get fired for not showing up for important meetings at work. You seem to have the luxury of not showing up and criticizing from home.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(8,302 posts)If workers want a job when this is over, we need corporations to survive. Take a national stake if necessary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paka
(2,760 posts)That's what they did with the tax cuts they got. However, the last I checked, stock buy backs don't create jobs.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(34,411 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paka
(2,760 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Happy Hoosier
(8,302 posts)That certainly true for some large corops. But that has nothing to do with the position we are in now and does not change the fact that people need jobs when this is over. So whats your plan? Let them collapse? Then what?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
William769
(55,783 posts)So far with no financial help. Your job is guaranteed to keep your money coming in. It is incomprehensible and unspeakable that you are not in Washington D.C. to vote to ensure the American people are protected.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)It doesn't look like his senate chamber.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rockfordfile
(8,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Paka
(2,760 posts)You may not like him or his agenda, but that does not make him a horrible human being. That simply makes him someone you disagree with.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and throw the nation to the very terrible, intensely corrupt Republican Party by spreading constant lies that Democrats were much the same and no real alternative. He did and does this knowing that both Russia and the Republicans were and are using him to defeat Democrats.
To date, through all that's happened, Sanders shows absolutely no guilt or shame, no regret. Quite the contrary, only insisting at least hundreds of times in many ways that our nation would be much the same under Democrats as Republicans.
Bizarre. I need psychiatrists to tell me what adjectives should be used to describe him.
Now, for really horrible: hundreds of thousands of people are dying and going to die. Or more, perhaps well over a million. Of all ages, babies and children also. On top of all else that's happening to everyone.
This was very predictable.
The Obama administration had already stopped the deadly SARS and MERS viruses when they arrived in America, and those were only two of the worst that were stopped. H1N1 (Swine flu) couldn't be stopped in spite of everything the Democratic administration did, including declaring a national emergency, and it killed over 60 million Americans.
Sanders knew all this then and knows it now as pandemic spreads, but he continues to lie about Democrats. In being willing to throw power to the Republicans if he can't have it, he knowingly flipped a coin with America's lives -- in this way and many others. And, NO, "the Democrats DON'T do it too," as he always says. Only this one candidate.
So, since you brought the question to mind: What does it take to be a horrible person? Must that person have the capacity to understand the horrific consequences of his own actions were his fault? Is he a good person if he can't make the connection? How about if he can but believes he was justified because "the Democrats do it too?" Or would horrible actions and horrible consequences qualify on their own?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,411 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paka
(2,760 posts)re-election. He has been very outspoken against Trump at all times. Senator Sanders has no control over what Russians may chose to do, but he has been very emphatic that he will never assist them in any way. To declare he is using Russian assistance is to spout insane conspiracy theories. To be a horrible person is to buy into such unproven throries.
This good and honorable man has been fighting for all the things that I support throughout my lifetime. He fights for working people and a decent life for all. Over fifty years ago when I was young I had the good fortune to go and live in France and I learned the value of health care for all and concern even back then for the environment. I brought back string bags for all my friends and family to use when shopping to avoid the waste of throw away goods. When my stereo broke I had it fixed. I didn't toss it out and buy new. I marched for civil rights at the same time that Bernie was fighting for them. Like Senator Sanders I believe in respect for all people and a fair and equal chance to have a good life. I am sick and tired of corporations owning the entire planet.
Senator Sanders speaks the truth, and that sometimes hurts, but painful truth is not an excuse to abandon veracity.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You should not conflate what Sanders says he wants to do for what he actually does and actually is as a person. Whatever that is. I await the books and analyses of experts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Sanders acts in a way that is certain to benefit Trump and Republicans.
Sanders is of mature years, and so in courtesy ought to be presumed to know the likely consequences of his actions.
Since Sanders knows his actions will benefit Trump and Republicans, the fact that Sanders persists in these actions forces any reasonable observer to conclude that Sanders intends to assist Trump and Republicans, whatever he may say at times on the subject.
In support of this conclusion may be offered evidence of predisposition, for Sanders has made it abundantly clear he takes the 'Democratic Establishment' as every bit the corrupt 'enemy of the people' that the Republican Party is. Sanders has characterized his campaign for President as an effort aimed at destruction of the 'Democratic Establishment'. Sanders seems to believe this is a necessary preliminary to defeating Trump and Republicans. That is self-serving delusion, which could only be held by a man who is afflicted both with malignant Narcissism and an advanced Messiah complex. It is also a long-standing delusion of the radical left circles in which Sanders moved for several decades after his college days, that center-left parties must be broken in order to clear the field for radical leadership of the 'working class' in the cause of revolution.
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)emerges into the clarity of reality.
"Center left circles (us) must be broken." That's been Sanders' conviction his entire life. I get the idea that most of these people, including him, just kind of imagine America's right would sorta...poof!, disappear with us. After all, what's Sanders' imagined Tweedledum without Tweedledee?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)You see, the real obstacle to revolution is not the the right wing power structure which oppresses people, but progressive and reformist types whose activities ameliorate the people's distress. This prevents the people from feeling the full weight of their oppression, and so prevents revolution, which is (it was a chant back when Sanders was a young radical type) the solution.
The thing goes back a long time, to the mid-nineteenth century at least, and can be illustrated by the answer to two questions. First, what is the aim of a worker's strike? Second, should workers' parties take part in elections and enter government in a democratic polity? If you answer the first question with 'better wages and conditions', and the second with 'yes, of course' you are actually on the side of the oppressors. The right answers are 'to radicalize the workers and prepare them for revolution', and 'no, that is collaboration with the enemies of the people'. Sanders presents a sort of denatured version of the classic radical line. He does not really expect revolution, but that is where his heart is. He is far more concerned with proclaiming what he wants the people to have than with bringing any actual benefit to the people.
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)literacy as a requirement for graduating any level.
A political psychologist once fliply explained a major difference between LW and RW extremists (following explanation of their many common traits) as: Those on the right hate everyone else, while those on the left hate themselves.
And of course their hates permanently intersect at the Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)The 'line' isn't even a horseshoe, it is a circle, and there is a point on it where right and left met and do the bump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)is to tear down Democrata and the Democratic Party. Thats where he is dangerously wrong. In doing so he is helping the Republicans. If he truly cares about helping this country progress he needs to throw his full throated support to Biden and the Democratic Party or else risk giving Trump 4 more years. There is no other option.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)To do something to counter the evil of Dolt45, which is the Democrats.
That's the problem.
He's either too stupid to get that when he trashes the Democrats, he's doing Mango MAGAt's hardest work for him--by creating division amongst Democrats, or he's completely malevolent in trashing the Democrats to create divisions amongst them so that they will get behind him instead.
I'm open to any other possibilities for why he thinks trashing the Democrats is good for the party or the country. They have to make sense, though, and be based in evidence that passes muster with people who aren't gullible fools or idiots. Or both.
Astonish me with your evidence to the contrary. I'm old and have good insurance, so I get the good heart meds to prevent a death from keeling over in shock.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paka
(2,760 posts)I'm glad you have good insurance. I live in Thailand, because even though I am eligible for Medicare I still can't afford it. Here in Thailand we don't go broke when we go to hospital without insurance. We also are not in lockdown, because Covid-19 isn't taking over the country. We have already bent the curve.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)My understanding is Medicare is only available in US states and territory. Also, what do you mean you still cant afford it? Doesnt Medicare pay almost all the cost?
I am probably going to retire in the Philippines and still trying to figure out how to deal with healthcare there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
For reasons I won't go into in this post I'm not as big a fan of Thomas Jefferson as many/most other Americans are but he did hit the nail on the head on this occasion...
Once, when scolded by an unhappy supporter for not reshaping the country fast enough, Thomas Jefferson offered a well-reasoned rejoinder. "When we reflect how difficult it is to move or to infect the great machine of society," he wrote, "we see the wisdom of Solon's remark that no more good must be attempted than the nation can bear."
While many of Bernie's policies are quite admirable and desirable goals to strive toward I also believe that some of them are more "than the nation can bear" at this time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paka
(2,760 posts)Sadly, although much of the nation can't bear the policies he promotes, they have fortunately taken hold and may be viable in the future.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BidenBacker
(1,089 posts)that it's a lot easier to infect a nation with a bad virus than with good intentions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paka
(2,760 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
empedocles
(15,751 posts)have a precarious impact on the near present - as foreshadowed by Sanders in 2016, and his continued behavior.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)And the Light and the Way as well. Only believe on 'Bernie' and ye shall be saved. Offer null and void if an insufficient number are moved to belief. In that case 'Bernie' offers only hell-fire and damnation for those unworthy of his Truth....
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Well said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(70,914 posts)Trump being the worst president who was ever elected...what should we think of Sen. Sanders?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Instead he is leaving the hard work of standing up for workers to Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer. Once they have something worked out, Senator Sanders will show up, make a big deal about criticizing what he diesn't like in the bill, while saying the rest doesn't go far enough, then he will vote for it as is - that is his MO. It is not about hate, it's frustration about him not taking a more productive role, but always criticizing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And trump and pence sidelined and preventing their interference. She's the one most respected and trusted , and honest with the American people now. No disrespect but both Bernie and Biden aren't as capable as she clearly is with all her expertise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
She will be of great use in the upcoming campaign and new administration, that we know!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(70,914 posts)You can't have two nominees...Sanders lost and now needs to go.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)And I'm guessing he's staying away from DC at least partly because he doesn't want to get an earful from his fellow senators.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UncleNoel
(864 posts)isn't he supposed to be in action in the Senante at this crucial time?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,334 posts)The other Senators are there. Why is Bernie in Vermont?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(23,664 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
drray23
(7,907 posts)Rand Paul just tested positive and he was asymptomatic. He probably infected half the senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)and never a part of the solution. He is the first to whine, moan, groan, kvetch and carp ... but he never puts forth a bill that he wants and try to shepherd it through committees.
If he had successfully legislated even 25% of his wants he would be the front-runner today. Now everyone knows that this guy is a master of wish lists but never checks anything from those lists as "done."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,334 posts)I love Yiddish. There's a word in that language for everything that is absolutely perfect.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(153,882 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden