instead of Vermont?

...until Friday afternoon or even Saturday afternoon.

Leaders Dick Durban and Chuck Schumer were there on Saturday, speaking on the floor of the Senate.

.....his "corporate" BS.

Guess who's manufacturing respirators? Guess who's manufacturing masks? CORPORATIONS!!

But nobody wants to work with him because it's always "my way or the highway."

....being done about it from him.

All he does is fire these missiles from an undisclosed location.

who are making masks and respirators.

Or are they in the list and I'm just missing it?

I have no problem with him raising the alarm about what these Corporations are asking for from home or anywhere else.

He doesn't need to be at the Senate to point out what unreasonable shit they're asking for.

This is unfair criticism, and he's making good points.

MHO.

Of course there's also "Wall Street" (on which he has more than $1 million invested) and the "fossil fuel industry", neither of which he shies away from personally supporting.

Medical Equipment companies are not in the list.

who are fighting for a better package.

we have a myopic view of what the economy is, with corporate welfare reigning supreme over the best interests of the actual people, of course that's true in good times as well as bad.

If things continue as they appear, he'll do much worse than his first time.

about whether I would ever support him in a primary...and the answer is never.

You need an economy and you need jobs. This is why I won't vote for candidates like Sanders ever in Primary. I am pragmatic and believe in regulated capitalism and want leaders who understand the importance of a good economy.

It's the same bailout.

Pay the corporations directly the f****** executives will line their pockets and give the workers as little as possible.

Let the executives take the pay cuts, they're the 'captains of the ship', and they're the ones responsible for not having set aside funds for emergencies like this.

Personally I like Bernie's plan better.

The economy would be destroyed. People need jobs.

And no executive bonuses or stock buyback, under threat of CRIMINAL penalties, where executives will be accountable, and their own personal fortunes are at risk. And considerable worker pay protections, including insurance payments for one year for everyone laid off.

Only then ... am I cool with these trillions being handed out.

And I don't think that's going to happen under Cheetolini and The Turtle.

especially when they require a serious infrastructure like auto manufacturers and airlines.

It is the height of lunacy to think that by making existing corporations go under, new ones would pop-up like mushrooms.

This demonstrates that Bernie's policy is not rooted in any empathy for workers but is a reflection of his personal hatred of successful companies and rich people who start and manage them.

I see no reason not to bail out corporations with strings attached like Obama did -- loans at above market rates collateralized by a substantial stock in the companies. It will save millions of jobs for "working people" who Sanders seems to champion for.

that employees will be paid directly but corporations would be let go under. Now, if the corporations go under, who pays the corporation's creditors, vendors, landlords, non-salaried people like dealers?

It is naïveté packaged inside populism with ZERO economic thinking behind it.

My take was that the 'go work for other corporations' was not a serious suggestion but I could be wrong.

We COULD help the corporations ... but also the workers directly.

The most important thing in my view is that they're not helped for free ... they need to give up stock and these need to be LOANS that need to be paid back.

If corporations can't be responsible enough with their money and savings to survive major slowdowns such that the taxpayers have to bail them out, then maybe they are a flawed business model.

Us regular folks are expected to do just that ... on a LOT LESS.

Maybe there's really NOT enough money in these businesses to pay the top people hundreds of 1000's or millions/year.

Maybe they need to be taught that lesson the hard way.

Bean breeze, nothing more.

Loans with strict conditions, and a receiver's oversight, would be an excellent way to handle the aim, combined with direct payments to people out of work or on short hours. The objection by business types to the latter makes little sense to me --- the money paid to people out of work or on short hours will wind up in their coffers anyway. People will spend it, and someone will profit every time they do, all along the line. 'Relief' programs don't subsidize people, they subsidize businesses people patronize with the funds 'relief' provides people.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

I thought President Obama ought to have been far stricter with the banks. In fact, that was one instance where what would in effect be direct payment to people would have worked well --- aid to the banks being paid back in the form of credit to outstanding mortgage accounts.

it's a natural occurrence of a capitalistic driven economy.

There will be new corporations that pop up driven by the profit motive, someone will need to create supply for the peoples' demand; if the government has propped up the people with the ability to dictate demand by paying them during this crisis.

However just helping marginal corporations stay afloat is too narrow a remedy for the malady, there simply won't be enough demand in allowing those businesses to flourish and millions to tens of millions of American will suffer greatly.

depression, I do not...And again this is why I don't support Sanders...he would never be able to deal with the economy. His views are very rigid and anti-business. People need jobs.

of any economy or a the very least any forward thinking, sensible political, economic leaders should keep it in consideration.

Corona virus is not the first and it won't be the last.

of working from home....especially nowadays considering the subject material of the OP.

...is a Senator, he can't "work from home", especially since the Senate will be in session at 2:00 PM this afternoon. I'm curious if he's going to be there this afternoon?

Even Joe Biden, who right now is a private citizen, has been doing more.

dealing with this corona virus?

...say much positive about Biden, nor will Jacobin.

Even if he said nothing (which is FAR from the truth!) remember - he's a private citizen. He can't introduce anything in the Senate, he can't go to the floor of the Senate and debate with the republicans.

Why has the Sanders campaign and his supporters suddenly come up with this FALSE claim of "we haven't hear anything from Joe", "where's Joe", blah blah blah.

Did you miss this, among many other proposals and statements he's made since the last three primaries:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287678918

except...I concede and endorse Joe Biden.

I won't forgive him for helping Trump by not conceding during a national emergency. We need to be able to turn to the General and Sanders supporters are still attacking Biden...don't kid yourself.

Why isn't Bernie at the Senate, Joe?

I believe Bernie is doing what every conscientious American is doing reducing his and the public's' exposure to the corona virus.

The Senate knows what Bernie stands for what he supports and what he doesn't, they have telephones, Internet and all those wonderful features, if it came down to a vote, Bernie could be there in hours.

constructive or helpful. His only skill is throwing stones from the sidelines.

People care what he does, and he does nothing except strengthen the hand of the Republican party.

He is hardly leading on this, Professor Warren is as usual way ahead of him, and she is far from alone, you may be sure. She actually has allies, and people pay some attention to her.

Useless as teats on a boar hog....





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

As always. Bernie stands on the sidelines and complains about the folks actually working on the problem. He doesn't know how to do anything else. Even the stinking Republicans are more productive.

In legal terms, what we are going through is a “force majeure” - an occurrence beyond the control of either party in a contract. Businesses aren’t at risk of failure because of bad investments, embezzlement or corruption, but because the 21st Century Bubonic Plague hit.

“You’re incorporated? Fuck you, I hate corporations; you deserve everything that happens to you” is not what we should be doing - and it is most definitely not what Sanders should be advocating.

We need tight controls over bailout funds to ensure none of the money goes to stock buybacks and executive bonuses...but helping companies get back on their feet is the right thing to do.

Incorporation is, at bottom, simply how investment is pooled beyond the means of a single individual or family. Like fire 'a good servant but a bad master', yet there is nothing inherently pernicious in the concept.

The nice thing about the corporate veil: if you get a malicious and deep-pocketed customer who decides to sue you for no good reason, incorporation (in many but not all cases - there is a process by which the corporate veil can be pierced, but you must have really screwed up to have that happen) keeps this person from taking your house and other personal assets.

And a nice compliment from The Magistrate? I'm verklempt. Thank you, sir.

I understand that you are in Vermont, rather than in DC. There's stuff going on in the Senate, Senator Sanders. Perhaps you should be there.

The tribe has spoken ...

The "bailout" shall be a debt at above market rates collateralized by equity and control in those corporations.

"The people" (that would be you and I and other august members of taxpayers of America) made money from the past bailouts -- as much as 107 billion dollars between 2008 and 2013.

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If you want to promote legislative fixes you need to be sitting with the decision makers - not back home in Vermont.

Certainly not doing his job in the Senate.

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