bad. While "establishment" are the ones fighting for the people AGAIN!

He's playing footsie with the squad while democrats are doing the grueling work of trying to negotiate with republicans. Not because they want to but because people's lives depend on it right now.

Why all the Bernie hate? Can't we all just get along? The divisiveness is exactly what the Republicans want don't you guys see that?

What we are saying is true.

of the Democratic candidate so as not to upset his most fervent followers, who will probably never vote for Biden.

Expect people to be bothered, at the least. I am sure you are correct, but he is not earning any respect here at all.

just laughing all the way to the election booth.

And Bernie deserves everything he's getting.

in working for the people, something he has vowed is his mission. However, I wonder if he might
be ill. He returned to a grueling schedule so quickly after heart attack. We also feel, if not ill, he
should be helping us fight Trump by supporting Biden who is the only person with a chance in hell
of ousting Trump.

Can shove it up their asses. Even Joe Manchen stood with us right now. Where is Bernie?

"Bernei' shows solidarity with no one else, for 'Bernie' is the leader of 'The People'....




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Honestly, his behavior right now is ok to you?

He knows perfectly well his self-indulgence is doing. And as a man of advanced years, he really ought to know better. Things which are ornaments perhaps to a man in his twenties are disfiguring for a man in his seventies.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

This hate toward anyone is non-productive at best and will enable the rump to slide into another four years at worst. We need to focus on not only getting that orange puddle of vomit out of the Whitehouse but also to make sure that Bitch McTurtle is not in charge of the senate. Lots of work ahead for us and we can't be taking each other down. We have to boost each other up. Biden will win. And we'll all vote for him. Keep your eye on the orange anal blister, he's the real enemy, and let's make sure we get all the down-ballot victories as well. I think that is what Bernie is working on, as well as asking for donations for charities to help those in need during this crazy time.

His job is in the Senate. If he can't even be bothered to do that, why should we believe he would be an effective president? And he has the nerve to criticise what is going on when he should be involved. He is sitting on his ass at home instead of working on legislation in DC. How is that helping people?

are in DC working on a bailout bill. Where is Bernie? He's giving a concert online. Truth is not hate.

Some people seem too fearful of Trump to. Counter him.

The idea that Sanders must be crushed flat before we can counter Trump is absurd.

At Bernie stubbornly staying in.

I don't see how this helpful to your candidate or fostering party unity. There are quite a few similar attacks posted here and it really seems harmful and unnecessary. Too bad.

It's embarrassing.

I think the open hostility is really just a fraction of very online people who just hate Sanders guts. It's embarrassing but I think most of us can keep things in perspective.

Social media communities tend not to represent the greater real world.

Welcome to DU.

Some are angry, hostile and seem to have a very deep seated personal opposition for Sanders and everything he stands for. A few people put personal feelings over reason but I'm sure you are not one of them.

Still kind of a newbie but I'm working on it.

The overriding concern of Democratic primary voters has been to evict Trump and other Republicans from office. As splinterist showboating by Sanders is perceived to damage our prospects for this, dislike and detestation for Sanders spreads. It spreads all the quicker because he has form, he has done this before, and materially assisted Trump's campaign in 2016, by the ludicrous charges he made, and never retracted, against Secretary Clinton.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

What are those charges? I feel like I've opened a very long fortune cookie.

is what’s embarrassing.

No one wants to be in DC negotiating with republicans. It's a nasty job, as you can imagine. People's lives are depending on it though. We're in a moment of crisis.

Republicans are pushing for the biggest giveaway of public dollars in history to corporations and donors and I'm afraid the public interest is not being represented. Sanders can represent better than anyone and I trust him.

It's just difficult to address the substance through the personal vitriol in the OP. I don't think it's necessary or helpful.

improves Trumps chances in the fall.

We live in very fluid times and things are changing quickly. No, I think he should stay in and going back to your original point - return to Washington. On that I'm sure we can agree.

In VT? Shouldn’t he be in DC working on this? Is he ill? I just don’t understand why he is at home.

I'm a supporter of Sanders and I think he should be in DC right now. He's the best public interest advocate I've ever seen and I think he should drop everything, go to DC and act as a brake on the $Trillion+ giveaway to corporate interests and political megadonors being planned at this very moment by the Trump administration.

I want him there now, what I'm objecting to is the personal, ad-hominem attacks. We're at a pivotal moment in history, let's look at facts stop grinding personal axes.

Of course a slacker in time of crisis is going to come in for harsh words, and he will deserve them, too. A splinterist wrecker during a crisis deserves active opprobrium.

The one thing that might move this pious fraud 'Bernie' is for his well-meaning supporters to turn on him and cry, 'Enough of this farce!' That just might shake the man sufficiently to get him off the pot, and doing the right thing.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Is it yours? If so, kudos.

Condensed a bit to fit the character limit on our tag-lines. I have made one small change, substituting 'people become uneasy' for 'rites and rituals are not properly performed'. Since improper performance of rites and rituals was held to cause unease among the people, and the original would convey no meaning to most people I felt this substitution justified. Mind, I know only English translations, I cannot make head nor tail of Chinese characters.

This is the key comment on 'the rectification of names', which Confucious said would be his first object were he a ruler. In our local parlance, 'call a spade a spade' conveys the meaning. The benefits are, I think, obvious.

but help tRump.

even though he lost the primary...staying in serves no purpose except for helping Trump.

Really?

Sorry for hurt feelings but truth is bitter often.

So much hostility.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/mar/03/what-bernie-sanders-has-said-about-democrats-over-/

His campaign has been busy spreading false memes, first about Biden's mental health, then when that failed spectacularly, they moved on to the "Where is Biden?" horseshit.

If you're looking for someone to criticize for not unifying the party, start with the campaign of your candidate. The rest of the candidates and their supporters got behind Biden weeks ago and have been targeting Trump and not other Democrats.

That's always the underlying message (or threat?) in all these "don't criticize Bernie too much, or his followers will go elsewhere" threads. Are Sanders' followers so unsure of their own political views that they can be so easily swayed? I don't think one can be a progressive if one refuses to vote for the candidate most likely to create real progress.

"Now that is cool. A highwayman puts a pistol to my head and says give me your money, or I shall have to shoot you, and then you will become a murderer."

Truthful criticisms aren't attacks. Whining about "attacks" that are no such thing is the biggest damned lie berners spew when someone even whispers a hint of disagreeing with him.

It's disingenuous of your dear leader to run away to sulk about the failure of his bullshit revolution while he and his flying monkey minions somehow find plenty of time to bash Democrats--which doesn't mean only politicians but all those who have voted against him, including the women and minorities who are shocked to learn they have somehow become "establishment" Democrats.

And just who are you to demand unity, anyway? I'll believe BS is interested in unity when he concedes in a timely manner. I'll believe a Sanders supporter is interested in unity after all those berners screeching bullshit and hate at Biden as we speak right now knock it off and start showing more support and respect for the candidate the voters chose.

In other words, you can hardly tut-tut about unity from anyone when your candidate and too many of your fellow supporters refuse to do it FIRST. That's how concessions work. You give up something to get something. And the one with the weak (read: LOSING) position is the one who has to do it FIRST. You don't concede when you're in the position of strength (read: WINNING), like Biden is.

Your side is in no position to demand anything, of anyone. As long as you refuse to understand that tantrums and threats are the absolute wrong way to get any concessions, you're going to get backlash and well-deserved criticism.

So clean up the garbage in your own backyard before demanding where the rest of the party puts up patio furniture in theirs.

Ad hominem attacks really are not a good way to build unity in general. Just my humble opinion, proceed if you like.

Most of us at DU thought it was the low point of the Sanders campaign.

You should have a humble opinion of your opinion because it is so specious (superficially plausible but actually wrong). ( adding definitions so you wont have to look them up)

Clearly you use terms that you think sound good but don't really mean what you think they mean.

An "ad hominem" attack is an attack against a person rather than a position they are maintaining.

For example if I attacked you because you were a vegan, a Presbyterian, you were left handed or short in stature that would be an ad hominem attack.

When I looked into your journal and saw your posting on Joe Rogan making light of the reaction against the Sanders slovenly embrace of Rogan I was attacking the position you took.

It is literally the opposite of an ad hominem attack.

What's really not helping party unity is to continue to pursue a campaign that has no possible chance of winning.

But then Sanders (I) has not ever been a Democrat, doesn't like the Democratic Party and regularly undermines Democratic Party Unity.

He is a guest and if he wanted to advance chances for victory in the fall he would do what the other 23 candidates have done and endorsed the presumptive nominee, but he won't because it doesn't serve his personal interests and that's why I attack him, he puts his interests over that of the Party.

She, Hillary was the GE candidate.

Many on his staff did just that. See Bri Bri and Nina. They did this in the GE. There is also West, Sarandon and Sirota, perhaps many more.

That is not unity. I vote blue no matter who. I do not sulk, stay at home or vote green or red. Never. I vote for the Democratic candidate, so please don't lecture me on unity.

If he's your man then I guess you should be proud of that.

Sanders has unlocked enthusiasm from young voters, Latino voters and people who hadn't bothered to vote before to become a factor in Democratic politics. Our best bet for the general election is to put personal animosity behind us and be magnanimous. Don't throw that goodwill away by alienating those voters.

How interesting.

to get their asses to their poles. Their “goodwill” doesn’t mean jack if they are too lazy or short sighted to actually vote.

We'll need young voters to get to the polls in November in order to win. Let's work on that.

don’t vote in meaningful numbers. It’s a fact. They seem to love a rally but it doesn’t translate to them actually doing anything about it. Why is it that any criticism of BS or his fan base is “lashing out” or “hating on Bernie”. Good grief.

"I don't see how his continuance in the race is fostering party unity..."

(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as without merit as the other)

I've spoken out against unfair attacks against Joe Biden here on this forum even though he was never my candidate. I just don't like dishonest and personal attacks against any of our candidates. They are corrosive and ultimately hurt all of us.

Right now Sanders is staying in the race to continue talking about vital issues like M4A which is more important now than ever before and I don't see him launching unfair or untrue attacks against Biden. He's earned a place at the table to begin building a unified platform for the convention and into the GE. Why not put personal feelings aside and bury the hatchet in the name of unity? After all you've won. To continue attacks in a personal vein against Sanders and his supporters just seems petty at this point.

...he doubles down on a narrow band of folks who are predisposed to hate Democrats. Cornell West, Susan Sarandon, Michael Moore and Nina Turner all have an axe to grind against Democrats. Bernie's strategy is to cater to the most aggressive, anti-Democratic elements of his supporters.

for his campaign to peddle this "where is Joe" stuff when Bernie refuses to do his job.

Trump is the enemy

And so are any of his useful idiots.

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His Skype show didn't have any health care workers, doctors or pandemic specialists on. Only three members of the "Squad" who Senator Sanders 'approves' of as not part of the establishment. How f&%ked up is that? How can you have a 'summit' on the corona-virus with just politicians - and newbie politicians at that, none of whom have had to lead their community through a disaster before?

Taken at face value, the only conclusion someone without rose-tinted Bernie2020-glasses can make is that the Senator is missing his rallies so desperately he is trying to recreate them digitally. One small mercy is that he is doing it digitally, instead of in press briefings with crowds of people around him at the lectern, unlike someone else we know.

Why do you want to make it harder to unite for November. You are doing Putin’s work.

I don't appreciate this passive-aggressive call for unity to silence critics of your dear leader. Because the ones not doing their share for party unity would be BS and his supporters.

You berners are so politically ignorant that you don't get that you are in a position to demand NOTHING. You don't get to call the shots regarding "unity." Elections have consequences, and the big one is that winners of elections get to make the decisions. They don't have to concede anything. They can do so, if the other side provides a compelling reason to do so, but threats and tantrums don't qualify as compelling. So it is YOUR side that has to give something to get something, or you'll get nothing at all. And thus, far, you refuse to give anything at all.

So you first with the unity, cupcake. Get behind Biden, and tell your dear leader to do do the same. Otherwise, it's rank hypocrisy for your side to demand unity of those who demonstrated the ability to unify more Democrats than your side did.

Welcome to the real world.

the Democratic Party.

If Biden is the assured winner start the general election pivot now

Where's the beef?

and the total disaster called the Iraq war?

...but are you sure you didn't take a wrong turn?

and he's Lost!

Labour activists for Corbyn kept whinging about 'Blairites' and the Iraq War, and touting their man's opposition to same. The result was Johnson with an eighty seat Tory majority. No one gives the north end of a southbound rat about who voted for the authorization for use of force some eighteen odd years ago, at least no one outside a small and insular circle of left activists. It will not move a dozen votes in a national election today.

Personally I detest Mr. Biden's successful effort at weakening bankruptcy in the face of credit card companies charging interest at usurious rates, but in the present crisis am willing to pull in behind him regardless, and would be even were there not word he has taken up Professor Warren's program of reform on the subject.

I am a patriot, Sir, and I want a treasonous money-launderer and mentally unbalanced ignoramus put where he can do no further harm to my country.

How do you feel about that, fella?




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

He missed 100% of votes between October-Demember.
Source: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

We have truckers and store employees still working to keep this nation afloat. Yet despite a taxpayer funded salary of $174,000 and a net-worth of $2 million Bernie Sanders can't even bother to show up for work.

it's all out there

it astounds me how they get followers

Tulsi Gabbard dropped out and is supporting Vice President Biden .

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Wait! Wha-huh? Only 4000 viewers? And there really WAS a "musical guest"??? First time I heard "musical guest" I thought someone was joking. It's real??



Haaaaaa!

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what Democrats think.

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Thank you. I just woke from a nap to this. This is great!

Perfect summary.

You know that Bernie without a hint of irony is going to complain about any deal negotiated by the Democrats to try mitigate the impact of the pandemic.