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MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:54 AM Mar 2020

Senator Bernard Sanders (I-VT) Should Resign from the Senate if he

cannot show up for crucial votes in that body. For whatever reason, he failed to be in the Senate chambers for a crucial procedural vote yesterday. Instead, he held an online campaign rally that included music.

He was elected by the voters in Vermont to be one of their two Senators. Over time, he has skipped many, many important votes. Now, he has skipped a vote connected with the COVID-19 virus that is sweeping the country. He has let down the voters in Vermont by not representing them in the Senate.

He will not be the Democratic nominee for President. That is clear. He should withdraw his name from consideration and endorse Joe Biden. But, I believe he should also resign from the Senate and let Vermont find a new Senator who will represent their state in the Senate on a dependable basis.

I know that sounds harsh, but Vermont depends on its two Senators to give the state some clout in Congress. As a small state with a very small population, having two Senators is about its only strength in Congress. The state has only one Representative in the House. Apparently, Bernie Sanders does not feel an obligation to be present in the Senate when he is most needed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Senator Bernard Sanders (I-VT) Should Resign from the Senate if he (Original Post) MineralMan Mar 2020 OP
Resign fine, but it is criminal that Congress has not addressed emergency temp offsite participation hlthe2b Mar 2020 #1
+1 geardaddy Mar 2020 #56
BS does not have much Senate clout or respect empedocles Mar 2020 #2
I can't imagine why. comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #62
Are you saying he isn't going to be present for todays vote? still_one Mar 2020 #3
I do not know. I do know that he was not there MineralMan Mar 2020 #4
If he isn't there today, unless he is ill, your OP is right on. No excuse still_one Mar 2020 #6
Maybe Rebl2 Mar 2020 #10
Possibly. If that is the case, though, then resigning from the Senate MineralMan Mar 2020 #11
I agree. If that is the reason he can't do the job, then what is he doing as a Senator. However, I still_one Mar 2020 #27
There is a Republican Governor in Vermont so he should not resign. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #52
Then, he should show up on the Senate floor and vote. MineralMan Mar 2020 #53
If that is the case, he must say so mcar Mar 2020 #28
Senator Mazie Hirono is fighting cancer and is there fighting for the people. LizBeth Mar 2020 #40
Wow, she is so brave, it puts Sanders no-show in perspective. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #67
Vermont's other Senator, Patrick Leahy Aquaria Mar 2020 #77
Is he "self-quarantined" ... it's a fair question that we deserve to know the answer to. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #7
I don't know. There has been no such announcement, MineralMan Mar 2020 #15
He wasn't there for a 47-47 vote SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #25
MM has made his fcking point well mcar Mar 2020 #30
Had he been there, it could have been a 48-47 vote. MineralMan Mar 2020 #31
To be fair, the measure required 60 votes to advance tritsofme Mar 2020 #35
He had no way to know what the vote would be. MineralMan Mar 2020 #36
Everyone knew the outcome SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #38
The trouble is that it takes time to get from Vermont to DC, MineralMan Mar 2020 #41
Did you hear that we have our nominee for November? SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #45
I write what I want to write. MineralMan Mar 2020 #47
THIS IS NOT BASHING Aquaria Mar 2020 #78
The Senate just doesn't generally work this way. It is incumbent on the majority to find 60 votes to tritsofme Mar 2020 #48
There is a question, though, of optics. MineralMan Mar 2020 #49
For a high risk individual like Sanders, who recently had a heart attack tritsofme Mar 2020 #51
Come on...there are older and sicker Senators there doing their jobs. There is no excuse unless Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #54
The outcome wasn't in doubt. High risk individuals like Sanders would be well advised to stay off tritsofme Mar 2020 #39
So what's the point? SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #37
Bernie Quixote PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #5
Sanders supporters... please help me understand Bernie's actions. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2020 #8
Did sanders' online rally flop? Gothmog Mar 2020 #9
Wait! Wha-huh? Only 4000 viewers? And there really WAS a "musical guest"??? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #12
Yes, musical guests to get the crowd hyped up! Hav Mar 2020 #43
Killer Mike wasn't available? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #50
oh great treestar Mar 2020 #16
I wonder how many of that 4,000 were registered voters. Also, the internet is global... George II Mar 2020 #17
Yay.. "flop".. was it worth it?! Cha Mar 2020 #66
The Sanders bashing du jour hangaleft Mar 2020 #13
The anger toward his stubbornness is beginning to bubble over. Him delaying his departure... George II Mar 2020 #20
All very good points, indeed! MineralMan Mar 2020 #24
Why are prominent Dems waiting to endorse Biden? delisen Mar 2020 #58
It's customary to wait until there is a definite nominee. But I don't think.... George II Mar 2020 #59
I am not bashing Senator Sanders. I am suggesting a course of action MineralMan Mar 2020 #21
you have 3 different ops bashing him in the feed right now questionseverything Mar 2020 #70
LOL at the idea Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #75
we lost last time by less than 1 % in 3 different states questionseverything Mar 2020 #85
Criticism isn't bashing Aquaria Mar 2020 #80
... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #23
'really think these bilious diatribes will lure Bernie supporters your way in the fall? n/t Peregrine Took Mar 2020 #26
The problem is that the alternative is not voting or voting for Trump Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2020 #33
By "your way", you mean voting for the Democratic candidate as opposed to Trump? NYC Liberal Mar 2020 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Peregrine Took Mar 2020 #29
WHEN he supports Biden 100% he is forgotten and left alone. Until, he is standing on my toes. LizBeth Mar 2020 #42
When Sanders Concedes And Makes A Full-Throated Endorsement, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #55
Ultimately up to VT voters treestar Mar 2020 #14
Yes, assuming he runs for another term. MineralMan Mar 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Nanjeanne Mar 2020 #19
Fahget aboutit! Cozmo Mar 2020 #22
If there's a problem, he should level with everyone. Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2020 #32
I completely agree NCProgressive Mar 2020 #34
I hope they strip him of his leadership role. He does not show up for important helpisontheway Mar 2020 #44
Would that help us win in November? SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #46
I appreciate Biden voters who know this Polybius Mar 2020 #57
I believe we can. This is not 2016 William769 Mar 2020 #68
No, he definitely needs a good percentage of us Polybius Mar 2020 #69
Hillary's critique of Sanders was spot on. He has made comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #60
Well, she would know, I suppose. MineralMan Mar 2020 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Mar 2020 #64
Thank you for your reply. MineralMan Mar 2020 #65
so you want to give the republicans another senate seat? jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #71
+1 Celerity Mar 2020 #73
How do you feel about Corey Booker? whopis01 Mar 2020 #72
good question nt Celerity Mar 2020 #76
WTF Aquaria Mar 2020 #79
Are they participating in the Senate now? MineralMan Mar 2020 #81
Sanders voted yesterday whopis01 Mar 2020 #82
I agree about neglecting duties as a Senator. MineralMan Mar 2020 #83
I wasn't questioning your support for Biden whopis01 Mar 2020 #84
Agreed. n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #74
 

hlthe2b

(106,379 posts)
1. Resign fine, but it is criminal that Congress has not addressed emergency temp offsite participation
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:57 AM
Mar 2020

I do not support the reckless suggestions made by at least one earlier--
that he should just "suit up" in PPE and be there. No, I, my sister and my colleagues need that PPE--as do the HCWs in Vermont. Next week when I return full time I will throttle anybody saying such things. There are now 8 doctors and three ER nurses at Emory-associated hospitals in the Atlanta area confirmed and hospitalized with COVID-19 (one on a ventilator) while my ER nurse sister and other colleagues continue to reuse PPE. As am I. I will gladly tell anyone who is suggesting diverting MORE to those whose risks make it absolutely untenable to be out, period--PPE or no, to go straight to hell.

There are CDC guidelines for a reason. I don't support Sanders, but neither do I want him to put himself or others at risk.

There should be emergency legislation passed to allow COngress a short term secure means of voting and participating offsite

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
2. BS does not have much Senate clout or respect
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:57 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(96,555 posts)
3. Are you saying he isn't going to be present for todays vote?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:57 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
4. I do not know. I do know that he was not there
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:58 AM
Mar 2020

yesterday to vote or participate in deliberations. Will he be there today? I don't know.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(96,555 posts)
6. If he isn't there today, unless he is ill, your OP is right on. No excuse
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:02 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rebl2

(14,715 posts)
10. Maybe
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:09 AM
Mar 2020

his doctor told him to stay home because he is high risk or he is ill.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
11. Possibly. If that is the case, though, then resigning from the Senate
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:13 AM
Mar 2020

in these trying times would be appropriate. If he cannot participate in his duties, after all, Vermont goes unrepresented in crucial decision-making, I'd think.

If he is ill or it is too risky for him to travel to DC to participate in Senate deliberations and votes, then Vermont needs a new Senator.

Senators have come to the Senate floor to vote from hospital beds and even when diagnosed with terminal diseases. It is that important a job.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(96,555 posts)
27. I agree. If that is the reason he can't do the job, then what is he doing as a Senator. However, I
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:28 AM
Mar 2020

think he will be there today


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
52. There is a Republican Governor in Vermont so he should not resign.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:38 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
53. Then, he should show up on the Senate floor and vote.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:39 AM
Mar 2020

Simple, isn't it. He has missed many, many votes this year.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(43,512 posts)
28. If that is the case, he must say so
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:29 AM
Mar 2020

This silence on his absence is unprofessional, to say the least.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(10,823 posts)
40. Senator Mazie Hirono is fighting cancer and is there fighting for the people.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:03 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(20,658 posts)
67. Wow, she is so brave, it puts Sanders no-show in perspective.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:20 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
77. Vermont's other Senator, Patrick Leahy
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 07:52 AM
Mar 2020

Is there, despite being high risk. He's over a year older than BS, as well.

If Leahy can show up, BS has zero excuses not to do the same.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. Is he "self-quarantined" ... it's a fair question that we deserve to know the answer to.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:07 AM
Mar 2020

Is he "self-quarantined" ... it's a fair question that we deserve to know the answer to. The people of Vermont ought to know whether Bernie is healthy enough to participate. The people of the United States... the primary voters... deserve to know if someone who seeks to be the Democratic nominee for POTUS is physically able to do the job.

I can think of NO OTHER LEGITIMATE REASON for him to withdraw and abdicate his responsibilities like that.

Lookit... all I'm saying is this: If he's not self-quarantined, then he needs to get back to work. If he is self-quarantined, then the people deserve to know the truth. It's as simple as that. There are no two ways about it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
15. I don't know. There has been no such announcement,
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:14 AM
Mar 2020

and he did hold a rally on Sunday with others, including House members, participating, so I'd guess he is not quarantining himself.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(14,248 posts)
25. He wasn't there for a 47-47 vote
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:27 AM
Mar 2020

What’s your fucking point?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mcar

(43,512 posts)
30. MM has made his fcking point well
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:34 AM
Mar 2020

Where is Bernie? He was the only non-quarantined senator to not vote.

Just a few days after he growled at a reporter that he couldn't comment on his campaign because he was dealing with a fcking crisis.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
31. Had he been there, it could have been a 48-47 vote.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:45 AM
Mar 2020

One vote in the Senate can make all the difference, as we have seen many times. He cannot have known what the voting results would be. He wasn't there.

So, that's my "fucking point."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tritsofme

(18,540 posts)
35. To be fair, the measure required 60 votes to advance
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:19 AM
Mar 2020

So his vote, or failure to vote, was not determinative

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
36. He had no way to know what the vote would be.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:22 AM
Mar 2020

So, he needed to be there. He wasn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(14,248 posts)
38. Everyone knew the outcome
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:55 AM
Mar 2020

CNN reported an hour before the vote that it didn’t have anywhere close to enough votes to pass.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
41. The trouble is that it takes time to get from Vermont to DC,
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:06 AM
Mar 2020

especially right now. A Senator who is in Vermont would not be able to get there if CNN reports an hour before the vote that it might hang on just one vote. That's why Senators should be in DC when important votes might be taken.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(14,248 posts)
45. Did you hear that we have our nominee for November?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:13 AM
Mar 2020

There is no point in the constant Sanders bashing. It does nothing but further alienate a good portion of the voters we need in November. It accomplishes nothing except dividing the party.
If you want to continue to act like Sanders endangered the country by not showing up for a vote that fell 13 short of passing, have at it. I'm out of this discussion and from now on ignoring all posters who continue with the whining and complaining about a Senator that I happen to have a great deal of admiration for; I simply do not believe that he was the best candidate to beat trump.
My goal is to unite the party and win in November. That is why I joined this discussion by asking what your point was with your OP.

Have fun, bye.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
47. I write what I want to write.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:16 AM
Mar 2020

Bernie Sanders will have every opportunity to enthusiastically endorse our Democratic nominee. I hope he does so. His endorsement should be enough to convince his current supporters to vote for Joe Biden.

I cannot convince them. Nor can you.

I am far from the only one calling Senator Sanders to account.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
78. THIS IS NOT BASHING
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 08:04 AM
Mar 2020

It's dishonest to call legitimate criticism of a legislator for his job conduct "bashing," when it's no such thing.

I don't give a shit who that legislator is. If the Senate is in session, he's supposed to be in the DC doing his damned job, unless he has a compelling reason not to be there--Full fucking stop.

I'm not making an exception for BS just because he, his supporters and his enablers think that he's above answering to the taxpayers who deserve to have him doing the job he's paid for, because I don't answer to BS, or his BSers. BS answers to we the taxpayers, and the BSers can go take a flying leap if they don't like that.

It's not all about BS, BSers and their precious fee-fees, you know.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tritsofme

(18,540 posts)
48. The Senate just doesn't generally work this way. It is incumbent on the majority to find 60 votes to
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:17 AM
Mar 2020

advance their measures. From the minority, not voting on cloture is as good as voting no.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
49. There is a question, though, of optics.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:19 AM
Mar 2020

Perhaps Senator Sanders does not pay attention to that factor, but not being in the Senate at this time is very bad optics, indeed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tritsofme

(18,540 posts)
51. For a high risk individual like Sanders, who recently had a heart attack
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:24 AM
Mar 2020

Staying away from the Senate floor is probably the smartest thing he can do.

Hopefully they will reach a deal and be able to move the package through unanimous consent, without the need for roll call votes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
54. Come on...there are older and sicker Senators there doing their jobs. There is no excuse unless
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:40 AM
Mar 2020

he is self quarantined for cause.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tritsofme

(18,540 posts)
39. The outcome wasn't in doubt. High risk individuals like Sanders would be well advised to stay off
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:57 AM
Mar 2020

the Senate floor, which of course makes his “presidential campaign” all the more absurd.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(14,248 posts)
37. So what's the point?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:54 AM
Mar 2020

48-47 is exactly the same outcome as 47-47.
The motion needed 60 votes to pass.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NoMoreRepugs

(10,530 posts)
8. Sanders supporters... please help me understand Bernie's actions.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:08 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(154,590 posts)
9. Did sanders' online rally flop?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:08 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. Wait! Wha-huh? Only 4000 viewers? And there really WAS a "musical guest"???
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:14 AM
Mar 2020

Wait! Wha-huh? Only 4000 viewers? And there really WAS a "musical guest"???



Haaaaaa!


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
43. Yes, musical guests to get the crowd hyped up!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:07 AM
Mar 2020

And he got some serious A-listers. Yesterday, it was Grandson (wtf?) and in the previous one he had Cymone and Nahkobear (??? Anyone?).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
50. Killer Mike wasn't available?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:22 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. oh great
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:15 AM
Mar 2020

to add to the "DNC cheated Bernie" it will be "Bernie would have won but for his health."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. I wonder how many of that 4,000 were registered voters. Also, the internet is global...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:15 AM
Mar 2020

....how many were even in the US?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,440 posts)
66. Yay.. "flop".. was it worth it?!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 05:55 PM
Mar 2020

TY Goth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hangaleft

(649 posts)
13. The Sanders bashing du jour
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:14 AM
Mar 2020

I’m not a Sanders supporter, but I think it’s time to dial back the Sanders hatred that’s rampant here.

Just look at the threads in the Democratic Primaries Forum. 80 or 90% of them are directed at Bernie Sanders, and not in a respectful manner.

He’s not a real Democrat. I get it. I’d have to be dense not to get it, I’ve heard it so much.

I agree he should drop out and endorse Biden. But I don’t agree with all of the hatred being thrown his way by multiple threads on a daily basis. Many of which are started or posted in by the same handful of posters.

Yes, it’s time for Bernie to suspend his campaign and endorse Biden. It’s also time for the haters to find another target for their venom.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. The anger toward his stubbornness is beginning to bubble over. Him delaying his departure...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:18 AM
Mar 2020

...is also delaying a lot of good, positive things that can happen immediately that would help our chances in November.

Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and many other prominent Democrats can endorse Biden - they're holding off until Biden is clearly the nominee.

The DNC can start fundraising for Biden.

As my friend in Texas liked to say, "we're burning daylight" - time to move on and win in November.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
24. All very good points, indeed!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:24 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

delisen

(6,467 posts)
58. Why are prominent Dems waiting to endorse Biden?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:56 PM
Mar 2020

What is their point in waiting any longer?+

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
59. It's customary to wait until there is a definite nominee. But I don't think....
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:59 PM
Mar 2020

....they're going to wait much longer. They're being courteous even though he isn't doing so.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
21. I am not bashing Senator Sanders. I am suggesting a course of action
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:18 AM
Mar 2020

he might take, if he is unable to completely fulfill his duties as a Senator. Perhaps he will return to the Senate floor today. I don't know. If calls for him to do his job have that effect, then they were well-called.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

questionseverything

(10,157 posts)
70. you have 3 different ops bashing him in the feed right now
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:24 PM
Mar 2020

hopefully the sanders supporters you are driving off are not enough for us to lose in nov (like last time)


there was no need for sanders to be at that vote since we did not want the repubs to get to 60, not voting was the same as a no vote

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Just_Vote_Dem

(3,135 posts)
75. LOL at the idea
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:10 AM
Mar 2020

somebody won't vote for a candidate because somebody said something bad on the internetz

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

questionseverything

(10,157 posts)
85. we lost last time by less than 1 % in 3 different states
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:08 PM
Mar 2020

you don't have to drive off many for trump to win

sorry you think the mess we are in is just a joke

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
80. Criticism isn't bashing
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 08:20 AM
Mar 2020

What is so difficult about that to understand?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peregrine Took

(7,504 posts)
26. 'really think these bilious diatribes will lure Bernie supporters your way in the fall? n/t
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:27 AM
Mar 2020


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,945 posts)
33. The problem is that the alternative is not voting or voting for Trump
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:01 AM
Mar 2020

From were we started, Sanders was my 3rd choice. I prefer his vision of the future to Biden's. If Biden is the nominee (and the odds are he will be), we who didn't vote for him in the primary must vote for him in the GE - even if it requires bringing a clothes pin to clamp on our noses. The objective ultimately needs to be any President that represents an improvement over the current one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NYC Liberal

(20,347 posts)
63. By "your way", you mean voting for the Democratic candidate as opposed to Trump?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:21 PM
Mar 2020

No actual Democrat should need "luring" to get off their ass and do the bare minimum of casting a ballot for the Democratic nominee to defeat Donald Trump in November.

Anyone willing to allow Trump to be re-elected because they didn't like what someone on the Internet said about their preferred candidate can go to hell.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to hangaleft (Reply #13)

 

LizBeth

(10,823 posts)
42. WHEN he supports Biden 100% he is forgotten and left alone. Until, he is standing on my toes.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:07 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
55. When Sanders Concedes And Makes A Full-Throated Endorsement, Sir
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:46 AM
Mar 2020

Vitriol will cease. Until then, vitriol is appropriate, given the man's essential program of blackmail. He continues so he can do damage to the 'Democratic Establishment' unless it concedes to whatever sophomoric platform or rules changes he demands, and is quite willing to do harm to prospects of defeating Trump if he does not get his way. This is not vitriol, it is calmly observed fact.



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. Ultimately up to VT voters
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:14 AM
Mar 2020

It can seem strange to those of us outside a state what the voters in that state put up with. Or what they see that we don't.

VT DUers can perhaps respond to your challenge though. Especially VT Democrats. Why do they continually return this individual as their Senator?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
18. Yes, assuming he runs for another term.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:16 AM
Mar 2020

However, it can also be up to an individual Senator, who can resign if he or she believes he or she is unable to perform the duties of that office in service to that state.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

 

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
22. Fahget aboutit!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:22 AM
Mar 2020

Waiting for Bernie to do the right thing is just like waiting for trump to do the right thing. It's useless. We need to ignore Bernie just as we need to ignore MF45. For these two, negative attention is far better than no attention. Bernie is feeding off our frustration and fear. At this time we need a strong Democratic voice. He knows it and is doing everything he can to screw us up. Shame on you, Bernie and go back to work. This is the last thing I will ever say about this SOB.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,945 posts)
32. If there's a problem, he should level with everyone.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:55 AM
Mar 2020

"There's a problem" includes, but is not limited to: exposure, potential exposure, self quarantine out of an abundance of caution, or other problem that is keeping him from functioning. I don't generally ask people to resign or be fired if they are sick.

If there is another reason, he should say what it is. That reason can then be judged on its merits.

As for "...he will not be the Democratic nominee for President. That is clear. He should withdraw his name from consideration." Nationally, we are in uncharted territory. I'm not counting anyone as being the presumptive nominee until we actually get through whatever we count as a convention this time out.

Be careful what you wish for. Phil Scott is a Republican, so he won't be replacing Bernie with Howard Dean.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
34. I completely agree
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:14 AM
Mar 2020

He has become like a waiter who doesn't show up for work but criticizes the quality of service from a restaurant window.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

helpisontheway

(5,268 posts)
44. I hope they strip him of his leadership role. He does not show up for important
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:12 AM
Mar 2020

events. Then he goes around trashing the Democratic Party. Now he is dragging out our primary and attempting to harm our presumptive nominee. I wish he would go away.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(14,248 posts)
46. Would that help us win in November?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:15 AM
Mar 2020

That is the only pertinent question at this point, since we have our candidate that will run against trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Polybius

(17,868 posts)
57. I appreciate Biden voters who know this
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:58 AM
Mar 2020

Biden is gonna win the nomination, there's no need to bash each other. Bernie couldn't win the GE with out Biden supporters, and Biden can't win without us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

William769

(55,830 posts)
68. I believe we can. This is not 2016
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:46 PM
Mar 2020

Biden's base is much larger and Sanders base is much smaller and if you take out the young one's that don't vote, his base becomes even smaller. The longer Sanders waits, the less effective he will be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Polybius

(17,868 posts)
69. No, he definitely needs a good percentage of us
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:56 PM
Mar 2020

Sanders got roughly 30% of the vote in the primaries. That's a huge chunk. If 30% of Democratic Primary voters were to stay home, Biden would have to win over many Trump supporters.

With that being said, I'm not staying home, I always vote for the good guys, you can count on my vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

comradebillyboy

(10,467 posts)
60. Hillary's critique of Sanders was spot on. He has made
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:05 PM
Mar 2020

himself irrelevant by his own behavior. He refuses to make friends, he refuses to compromise, he refuses to listen, he refuses to do anything that would make him an effective legislator.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
61. Well, she would know, I suppose.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:07 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie is sort of an irascible guy with a chip on his shoulder, I suspect. Nothing wrong with that, but it's hard to get things done in a group if you're like that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
65. Thank you for your reply.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:37 PM
Mar 2020

I disagree.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jorgevlorgan

(10,710 posts)
71. so you want to give the republicans another senate seat?
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 04:03 AM
Mar 2020

We will be down by 5 at this crucial moment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

whopis01

(3,725 posts)
72. How do you feel about Corey Booker?
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 04:24 AM
Mar 2020

He missed more votes than Sanders did last year.

Warren and Harris both missed over 50% of the votes. Should they resign as well?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
79. WTF
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 08:18 AM
Mar 2020
Sen. Booker has missed 56.8% of votes in the 116th Congress (2019-20). This makes him the 2nd most absent member of the Senate


https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/B001288-cory-booker/votes-missed/116

Sen. Sanders has missed 61.6% of votes in the 116th Congress (2019-20). This makes him the 1st most absent member of the Senate.


https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/S000033/votes-missed/116

Those people aren't under discussion, anyway. BS is, for not being present during one of the worst crises this country has faced since 9/11. So ditch that tu quoque red herring, and try again. Because you have nothing to stand on here.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
81. Are they participating in the Senate now?
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 08:20 AM
Mar 2020

Bernie isn't, or wasn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

whopis01

(3,725 posts)
82. Sanders voted yesterday
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:57 AM
Mar 2020

So he is participating in the Senate now. Which seemingly meets your requirement.

I find it inexcusable for any Senator to miss 50% of the votes in a year. If they can't run for other office without missing that many votes, they should resign prior to running.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
83. I agree about neglecting duties as a Senator.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 09:59 AM
Mar 2020

I did not support any of the Senators who failed to show up for their Senate duties. I'm glad Bernie went back to DC. That's his job, isn't it?

For the record, Joe Biden's face has been on all of my posts in this forum since the forum opened. He is my choice to be the Democratic nominee, and has been from the beginning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

whopis01

(3,725 posts)
84. I wasn't questioning your support for Biden
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:16 AM
Mar 2020

Or meaning to imply that you had supported any of the others I had mentioned. I was just bringing them up because (in my opinion) they deserve the same criticism that you were laying on Sanders. Just for the record - I agree with your criticism of Sanders - just wanted to make the point that others are deserving of it as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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