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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:56 AM Mar 2020

One of my favorite senators doing her job...she was a great candidate and my second choice.

You are the best Sen. Warren...fighting for all of us on the Senate floor...what a contrast to Sanders who is in Vermont having music parties combined with his riveting stump speech...Do your job Senator Sanders. Oh could you spare ten minutes from you busy schedule to concede so we can get on with the business of crushing the most dangerous president in history and electing a Democratic Senate while holding the House. Asking for a friend...the American people who deserve better.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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One of my favorite senators doing her job...she was a great candidate and my second choice. (Original Post) Demsrule86 Mar 2020 OP
She was my second choice also. Not quite as solid on progressive values as Bernie, but still DanTex Mar 2020 #1
She is doing her job Dan. Bernie has lost all credibility for me with his refusal to get out of Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #4
And Warren has lost a lot of credibility with me, with a number of actions. DanTex Mar 2020 #10
It Has Never Been About Anything But 'Bernie', Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #11
Simply not true. His career proves that. DanTex Mar 2020 #14
Nonesense, Sir --- He Has Not Achieved A Thing The Magistrate Mar 2020 #16
Simply false. He's achieved a huge amount. DanTex Mar 2020 #18
Thank You For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #20
I take it by your non-response that you don't refute any of the facts in my last post. Thanks! DanTex Mar 2020 #21
You May Take It, Sir, For Acknowledgement You Cannot Be Reached By Reason The Magistrate Mar 2020 #23
Another dodge. I guess when confronted by facts, that's your go-to move. DanTex Mar 2020 #25
Give it up Dan. In these scary times, some DUers need a boogyman. zonkers Mar 2020 #44
And some people know when they're being trolled n/t Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #45
one small correction- bubbazero Mar 2020 #35
We don't have single payer or even a public option, we don't have a 15 minimum, and as for the war. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #40
Great examples of the need to elect more progressive Dems. DanTex Mar 2020 #42
Progressives as you call them...I call that subset Left/Greens caused it to happen by not supporting Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #47
He's showing on a national stage why he's been a legislative failure for progressives for 30 years. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #12
He's been a huge legislative success for progressives. DanTex Mar 2020 #15
If That Were True, Sir, Sanders Would Have Got More Votes The Magistrate Mar 2020 #17
The two are entirely unrelated. DanTex Mar 2020 #19
Of Course That Are Related, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #22
He got the second-most primary votes, you realize that, right? DanTex Mar 2020 #24
Again, Sir, I Appreciate You Comedy Stylings The Magistrate Mar 2020 #26
Again! LOL. When confronted with facts, you dodge! DanTex Mar 2020 #27
He is losing by double digits...so if they like the policy which I doubt, than they don't like Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #38
Really, I hear this but what significance do these amendments have...no one even remembers them. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #39
Again by "no one" you are talking about "centrists". DanTex Mar 2020 #41
Insults will get you nowhere...there it is again the old 'if you disagree than you are not a 'real' Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #49
"Centrist" is not an insult, it's a description. Why do you think it's an insult? DanTex Mar 2020 #50
It is a matter of opinion whether Donald Trump would be president today had Sanders aided Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #32
But it's not a matter of opinion that Bernie did more rallies for HRC than HRC did for Obama. DanTex Mar 2020 #33
Now that I can speak to...not only did Hillary go all out but so did Bill...and he was very Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #37
This. zonkers Mar 2020 #43
I'm beginning to wonder if Sanders might have cv, or symptoms of it, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #2
Maybe he has been exposed...it is possible. He wouldn't want to admit it after his heart attack Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #6
This crisis that we face over a viral pandemic is going to produce a few heroes.... EarnestPutz Mar 2020 #3
I still believe Biden is our best bet to take Trump out...but I admire Sen. Warren a great deal. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #7
She was also my second choice, after Joe Biden. MineralMan Mar 2020 #5
Mine too MM. I have a great deal of respect for Sen. Warren and I like her very much. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #8
My first choice. What a warrior! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2020 #9
I agree. Senator Warren saidsimplesimon Mar 2020 #28
Far And Away The Best Candidate In The Field, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #13
My thoughts too! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2020 #36
She wasn't my first choice or even second but I respect her MustLoveBeagles Mar 2020 #29
Baily is adorable...love dogs... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #46
Saw her on Bloomberg this morning. She was great!!! still_one Mar 2020 #30
Nevertheless she persisted voteearlyvoteoften Mar 2020 #31
Yes Warren's great. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #34
Kick & highly recommended. William769 Mar 2020 #48
if she wasn't so many folks second choice. nope Pillow talk Mar 2020 #51
Thank you Elizabeth for all you do for us. FM123 Mar 2020 #52
Much of the MSM are calling THIS congressional squabbling Hortensis Mar 2020 #53
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
1. She was my second choice also. Not quite as solid on progressive values as Bernie, but still
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:00 AM
Mar 2020

very strong.

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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
4. She is doing her job Dan. Bernie has lost all credibility for me with his refusal to get out of
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:08 AM
Mar 2020

the primary. If this continues, he will cost us the General and give Trump four more years...once upon a time in 16, I voted for Sanders in Ohio...yep I did. My hubs and kids all did. It was a family thing we all went down and voted together. Not many know that. When it was clear that Hillary had won, I turned to her and worked my ass off to elect her. I liked both of them back then. I don't like Bernie anymore. I have never thought he did enough in the 16 General to help elect Clinton. And now in the darkest time I have ever seen in this country, It is all about him. He sits in Vermont playing disk jockey with a little stump speech thrown in...unbelievable. Millions in Ohio are now without jobs including my husband. Thousands will die. Sanders should concede so we can get on with the general. Stay well Dan.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
10. And Warren has lost a lot of credibility with me, with a number of actions.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:46 AM
Mar 2020

The Bernie-blaming on this board and elsewhere is getting ludicrous. He wasn't responsible for the 2016 loss, and he's certainly not responsible for the coronavirus response. In fact, he's pivoted his campaign to focus on CV, including raising $2 mil dollars for relief. That won't stop the people who reflexively hate Bernie from continuing to hate him, of course. But it will expose that irrational hatred for what it is.

What Bernie is doing is fighting for progressive policies, same thing he's done consistently his entire career. It's never been about him, it's always been about policies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
11. It Has Never Been About Anything But 'Bernie', Sir
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:50 AM
Mar 2020

Nor has the man achieved a thing for 'progressive policies' in Congress or the Senate. You cannot point to one bit of legislation securing such the man has written and steered into law.

And he does bear a good share of responsibility for the eventual outcome of the 2016 contest.

The man is a blow-hard, a mere bag of self-serving bean-breeze.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
14. Simply not true. His career proves that.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

Yes, he has achieved a lot in congress, it's absurd to say he hasn't achieved a thing. Even with the political tides rolling continually to the right, he managed to affect legislation and get many amendments passed. Of course it's lonely standing on principle. Of course it's easier to go along with the crowd into disastrous wars and corporate giveaways. The fact that he never did that is a good thing, not a bad thing.

If it was about Bernie, instead of standing on principle for all those years, he could easily have gotten "in" with the centrist/corporate establishment by voting with the herd on things like the Iraq War or trade agreements, DOMA, and countless other horrible bills. That's the path of least resistance, going with the flow and the lobbyists.

And he has zero responsibility for the 2016 outcome, obviously. He fully supported the nominee, and there was less cross-over voting in 2016 than there was in 2008.

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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
16. Nonesense, Sir --- He Has Not Achieved A Thing
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:17 PM
Mar 2020

He has said some things now and then, often things I approve of personally, but that means nothing to me in the absence of achievement. When appeal is made to 'standing on principle' I know I am in the presence of purblind fool. And Sanders did not do what was necessary in 2016. Sanders did not apologize for his smears, Sanders did not admit he smeared Mrs. Clinton with baseless charges of 'corruption', Sanders did not acknowledge in his primary campaign he had given 'bipartisan' cover to charges soon to be made by the Republicans. Sanders' 'campaigning' for Mrs. Clinton consisted of little more than his usual epater les bourgeoisie crusade against the 'Establishment' with the word 'Democratic' left out, in a manner something like the way an old bluesman will not pronounce some word or other in the cadence, leaving it to his audience to supply the sound in their minds, and thus join more firmly to his mood and his song. Sanders' speeches were not celebrations of Mrs. Clinton's looked for advent to the Presidency, nor urgent rallyings of his followers to her banner. Given the man's honest views and principles, how could they be? Do not think for a moment the monumental insincerity of his 'campaigning' for Mrs. Clinton was not noticed.



"Saints should be considered guilty till proved innocent."




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
18. Simply false. He's achieved a huge amount.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:31 PM
Mar 2020

You can ignore all the amendments he's passed, but that doesn't make them disappear. You can ignore the fact that nobody had heard of "Single Payer" 5 years ago, and now the majority of the American Public supports it. Or the fact that $15 minimum wage was "unicorns" 5 years ago, and now even centrists like Joe Biden support it. The list goes on and on. Bernie has likely been the second most influential Democratic politician in the 21st century, second to Obama.

Regarding 2016, not only did Bernie do more rallies for HRC than she did for Obama in 08, but also Bernie supporters in 2016 voted for HRC over Trump in greater numbers than HRC supporters voted for Obama over McCain. These are simple, obvious facts, and it's a testament to the level of irrational hatred that centrists have for Bernie's progressive ideals that people continue to ignore them and try to blame Bernie for the outcome of 2016.

As to the value of "standing on principle", that depends on where you are standing. To you, it's what "purblind fools" talk about. But, say, to the millions of Iraqis that were killed since 2003, they probably have a different take on the importance of not voting for a senseless war simply because that's what the establishment was pushing at the time.

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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
20. Thank You For The Laugh, Sir
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:38 PM
Mar 2020

There is none so blind as he who will not see.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
21. I take it by your non-response that you don't refute any of the facts in my last post. Thanks!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:39 PM
Mar 2020
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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
23. You May Take It, Sir, For Acknowledgement You Cannot Be Reached By Reason
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:42 PM
Mar 2020

And that I have better uses for time at present.

"A rebel without a clue."

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
25. Another dodge. I guess when confronted by facts, that's your go-to move.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:45 PM
Mar 2020

If you become interested in facts at some point in the future, here they are:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=683066

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zonkers

(5,865 posts)
44. Give it up Dan. In these scary times, some DUers need a boogyman.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:40 PM
Mar 2020
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Just_Vote_Dem

(3,112 posts)
45. And some people know when they're being trolled n/t
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:46 PM
Mar 2020
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bubbazero

(296 posts)
35. one small correction-
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:32 PM
Mar 2020

I first heard the phrase single payer health care in the 1970s--young teen--when reading about and discussing various health care proposals discussed by Roosevelt. President Theodore Roosevelt.

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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
40. We don't have single payer or even a public option, we don't have a 15 minimum, and as for the war.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:08 PM
Mar 2020

I hold Bush responsible for that and the left /Greens helped elect him.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
42. Great examples of the need to elect more progressive Dems.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:37 PM
Mar 2020

Also climate change.

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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
47. Progressives as you call them...I call that subset Left/Greens caused it to happen by not supporting
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:17 PM
Mar 2020

Democrats...it is their own fault that Climate went nowhere...did they think Bush would address that or Trump? No of course they wouldn't but ....blah blah the parties are the same...but they are not and those you call progressive have all but destroyed the movement they claim to believe in and support-the my way or the highway aspect of these groups causes us to lose policy as they constantly stab Democrats in the back and elect Republicans. Gore, Kerry, and lastly Clinton were destroyed by this group. Obama was kneecapped both in 10 and in 14. The right wing court that these folks helped create by voting for Stein instead of Hillary will stop much progressive policy in the years to come. It is a damn shame. I am more and more convinced we need to build a coalition that can win without this electorally destructive segment...Left /Greens

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W_HAMILTON

(8,372 posts)
12. He's showing on a national stage why he's been a legislative failure for progressives for 30 years.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:51 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
15. He's been a huge legislative success for progressives.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:06 PM
Mar 2020

He's passed more amendments for many years than anyone. Of course, he doesn't have his name on things like NAFTA or the Iraq War, or a lot of other horrible bills that the establishment said were great ideas at the time. That's a good thing, not a bad thing.

People now are realizing that Bernie was right about all those things the whole time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
17. If That Were True, Sir, Sanders Would Have Got More Votes
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020

He has done nothing, and no one wants him.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
19. The two are entirely unrelated.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:35 PM
Mar 2020

A lot of people want Bernie, in fact, the majority of Dem voters prefer Bernie on policy, just that many of them think Biden is more electable.

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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
22. Of Course That Are Related, Sir
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:40 PM
Mar 2020

It is nonesense to pretend otherwise. Support is measured in votes. Peopl know Sanders cannot secure passage for any of his policies, and so his support for them does not matter one whit.


"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
24. He got the second-most primary votes, you realize that, right?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:44 PM
Mar 2020

By your logic, Warren, Klobuchar, Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, etc. are even more worthless than Bernie. LOL.

I seriously don't understand why you hate Bernie this much.

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Undecided
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
26. Again, Sir, I Appreciate You Comedy Stylings
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:46 PM
Mar 2020

Will you be here till Tuesday? I will be sure and try the veal, and to tip my waiter.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
27. Again! LOL. When confronted with facts, you dodge!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:47 PM
Mar 2020
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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
38. He is losing by double digits...so if they like the policy which I doubt, than they don't like
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:04 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie...one or the other.

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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
39. Really, I hear this but what significance do these amendments have...no one even remembers them.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:06 PM
Mar 2020

I assume you are speaking about the house as I have not heard anyone speak well of him in the Senate.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
41. Again by "no one" you are talking about "centrists".
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:25 PM
Mar 2020

Amendments, by nature, are smaller things, like the funding he secured for community healthcare clinics (as a Senator). He also had a role pushing back against the Social Security cuts that Obama proposed as part of the "grand bargain." And so on.

The whole "he gets nothing done" smear is a myth concocted by centrists because his voting record is the strongest of anyone in the race from the start. Like, is it better to successfully push the Iraq War Resolution, or to unsuccessfully oppose it? Obviously, it's better to oppose it, but all the centrist pundits smearing Bernie were in support of it and every other bad bill that Bernie opposed. So the centrists smearing Bernie want to ignore the content of the votes and just argue that passing things is all that matters.

When the majority of congress is voting for bad bills, then yeah, it's easy to "get things done" if you just float with the whims of public opinion, but Bernie didn't do that.

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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
49. Insults will get you nowhere...there it is again the old 'if you disagree than you are not a 'real'
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:31 PM
Mar 2020

Democrat...either establishment, or centrist or what have you...I have not seen anyone post these wonderful policy amendments...so please share...send me a link where he was on the winning side and the amendments he added actually added became law...thanks in advance.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
50. "Centrist" is not an insult, it's a description. Why do you think it's an insult?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:09 PM
Mar 2020

Another thing I don't understand. If centrists actually thought the Iraq War, deregulation, the bankruptcy bill, etc. were bad ideas, why did they vote for them? Why don't they like being reminded of all those centrist policies? And why don't centrists want to be called "centrist"?

If people don't want to be called centrists, maybe they shouldn't support centrist policies, don't you think?

Regarding Bernie's accomplishments, google is your friend, but I'll get you started with an article on his work on health clinics.

Over the years, Sanders has tucked away funding for health centers in appropriation bills signed by George W. Bush, into Barack Obama’s stimulus program, and through the earmarking process. But his biggest achievement came in 2010 through the Affordable Care Act. In a series of high-stakes legislative maneuvers, Sanders struck a deal to include $11 billion for health clinics in the law.

The result has made an indelible mark on American health care, extending the number of people served by clinics from 18 million before the ACA to an expected 28 million next year.

https://theintercept.com/2015/07/06/gop-senators-support-sanders-obamacare-expansion/
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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
32. It is a matter of opinion whether Donald Trump would be president today had Sanders aided
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:05 PM
Mar 2020

Clinton sufficiently. I won't change your mind, nor will you change mine...as for his campaign pivoting...he doesn't need to pivot, he needs to concede..fundraising is a big problem this year and we can't start raising money for Biden and for down ballot races until Sander leaves the field. Sanders could continue to raise money for charity...nothing stops him after he conceded. He must go because Dan at the end of the day, Sanders isn't important anymore, beating Trump should be our only concern a this point and you know what I say is true.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
33. But it's not a matter of opinion that Bernie did more rallies for HRC than HRC did for Obama.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:10 PM
Mar 2020

Nor is it a matter of opinion that more HRC voters in 2008 voted for McCain than Bernie voters went for Trump. I've seen a lot of people make the accusation that Bernie cost Hillary the 2016 election. Zero of those people have accepted those facts and responded to them. They all just ignore them. Maybe you can be the first.

I can't see how Bernie campaigning helps Trump. He's not running a negative campaign, he's pushing a progressive agenda, which is a good thing to do. The coronavirus has basically showed everyone that we should have had progressive policies like universal healthcare, paid sick leave, etc. to begin with, not just in response to a crisis. Bernie's message is more relevant than ever right now.

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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
37. Now that I can speak to...not only did Hillary go all out but so did Bill...and he was very
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:03 PM
Mar 2020

successful...it was a full on effort...not the halfhearted crap I witnessed in 16.... I work all the elections you know...Hillary went all out to get her supporters to support Pres. Obama. Based on my experience during the 2016 campaign,Sanders didn't do this going so far to say it was 'her job to win over his supporters'.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,154 posts)
2. I'm beginning to wonder if Sanders might have cv, or symptoms of it,
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:00 AM
Mar 2020

or has tested positive. I hope not, but if that's the case he ought to 'fess up.

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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
6. Maybe he has been exposed...it is possible. He wouldn't want to admit it after his heart attack
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:12 AM
Mar 2020

since he still seems to believe he can win the primary or maybe the supers will hand it to him...who knows?

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EarnestPutz

(2,562 posts)
3. This crisis that we face over a viral pandemic is going to produce a few heroes....
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:04 AM
Mar 2020

....and Senator Warren is going to be near the top of the list, so much so that a lot of Democrats, no matter how successful Joe Biden may prove to be, are going to regret wringing their hands and fretting about her "electability".

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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
7. I still believe Biden is our best bet to take Trump out...but I admire Sen. Warren a great deal.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:23 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
5. She was also my second choice, after Joe Biden.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:09 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
8. Mine too MM. I have a great deal of respect for Sen. Warren and I like her very much.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:24 AM
Mar 2020
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GreenPartyVoter

(72,986 posts)
9. My first choice. What a warrior!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:43 AM
Mar 2020
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saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
28. I agree. Senator Warren
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:53 PM
Mar 2020

has "dusted the past disappointments from her shoulders".

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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
13. Far And Away The Best Candidate In The Field, Ma'am
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:52 AM
Mar 2020

Three cheers for the good Professor Warren!



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

MustLoveBeagles

(12,414 posts)
29. She wasn't my first choice or even second but I respect her
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:58 PM
Mar 2020

I also like her a lot. I love Bailey the burrito thief.

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Demsrule86

(70,914 posts)
46. Baily is adorable...love dogs...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 05:21 PM
Mar 2020
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still_one

(96,032 posts)
30. Saw her on Bloomberg this morning. She was great!!!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:58 PM
Mar 2020
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voteearlyvoteoften

(1,716 posts)
31. Nevertheless she persisted
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:59 PM
Mar 2020

💙💙💙

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Turin_C3PO

(15,504 posts)
34. Yes Warren's great.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 01:11 PM
Mar 2020

My positions on issues align more with hers than Biden’s but I’ve always supported Biden because I believe he’s the man to beat Trump and get us out of the numerous messes he’s created.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

William769

(55,783 posts)
48. Kick & highly recommended.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:18 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Pillow talk

(265 posts)
51. if she wasn't so many folks second choice. nope
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:13 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FM123

(10,111 posts)
52. Thank you Elizabeth for all you do for us.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:20 PM
Mar 2020

When I hear that expression "not me, us " it actually makes me think of YOU.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. Much of the MSM are calling THIS congressional squabbling
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:40 AM
Mar 2020

in outrageously dishonest false equalization, while the corrupt Repubs try to use the emergency to rev up their giant sucking operation.




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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