the Bankruptcy Bill, the War on Drugs, millions of people with no health coverage, and so much more awesomeness!

What's not to like???

Why, do you think, so many are trying to immigrate into this country and not the other way around?

Perhaps all the ones who hate capitalism and centrism should try to live for a year in... Venezuela? Cuba? Russia?

Even Italy with its state run health care? Or China?

Please pass the Freedom Fries!

People like Warren and AOC aren’t socialists, they’re progressives. I’m glad Biden is making some concessions to the left.

She is quite certainly a socialist, by definition.

she’s not a Venezuela or Cuba type socialist like the OP is basically implying. There’s a world of difference. Good people can disagree on policy but to compare what progressives want to the system in communist countries is just plain bullshit.

I’ve heard of them but that’s it.

Joe Manchin is a centrist/moderate. Biden is not.

But it's certainly possible that thanks to people like Bernie and AOC, he's had a change of heart recently.

and deregulation, NAFTA, bankruptcy bill, and the rest were all super-"progressive" things to do.

The almighty chartmaker has spoken!

The hilarious part is that you were a die-hard Clinton supporter in 2016.

Though, in all honestly, I don't think you were any more a Clinton supporter then than you are a Sanders supporter now.

Why is it hilarious that I supported Clinton in 2016? I preferred Bernie on policy, but I thought HRC was more electable. I was wrong.

You were a hyper-partisan Clinton supporter. You think the archives don't exist?

Yes, I was a strong Clinton supporter, like a lot of people I though she was the most electable. And like a lot of people, I was wrong.

Answers a lot of questions for me.

accomplished ? It is the same old rhetoric for 40 years and not one win...I have hope for AOC assuming she wins her primary. But neither have influenced Biden...perhaps they should use their powers of persuasion on Republicans or on voters to encourage them to support progressive policy. It would be wonderful if running a progressive candidate in a purple/ red district or state would not mean an automatic loss for Democrats...I tire of the endless flipping of blue seats- with rare exceptions a meaningless endeavor. Moderates gave us our house majority. I can only imagine the horror if that had not happened.

However, like the legendary isolated Japanese soldiers on isolated pacific islands who didn't hear about Japan's surrender. some sanderais keep fighting.

It's not about any one election. The fight continues always.

They are a bigger threat to the ultra-progressives than Biden ever will be in one's worst nightmare.

It's a simple fact.

Once the primaries are over, Bernie will fully support the nominee, like he did in 2016. And at the same time, he will fight for progressive policies. That's a good thing.

bitter...not enough time for anything else...and Sanders will help elect Donald Trump for the second time in my opinion...he should have helped Clinton more. This is not a normal election...if it was close like 08, it would be different but it isn't. Sanders has lost and the sooner he concedes the better ...we need to win the General...truly, I don't give two fucks about Sanders' hurt feeling or whatever is stopping him from doing the right thing...concede Sanders now.

to the psyches of some people - and none of those wonders are positive.

More people wanted Obamacare expansion than M4A .... and that debate is over for this election.

Your "pointing out" doesn't help the Democrats - it only hurts Biden in the GE. One starts wondering if that is the ultimate goal.

elections with their tone deaf political rhetoric.

and Gore is an example as well Nader ran in the Green Party. Sanders has Stein voters in his campaign. So while you may not be part of this coalition...and I don't doubt you are not and that you will vote for Biden. Some in the Sanders movement are part of this coalition as they were in 16 and will vote against Biden...the sooner Bernie concedes the better. It gives people time to get over their disappointment and maybe vote for Biden...those that can be reached of course. We won't reach all of them.

This inconvenient fact is consistently ignored by Bernie-bashers, for some unknowable reason. Why do you think people ignore that fact over and over? My guess is that anti-Bernie centrists don't want to let facts get in the way of their accusations that progressives are somehow disloyal.

We certainly don't want another trump term. Why is that so hard to get?

against Bernie were just "vetting" and totally above-the-belt are now claiming that pointing out the Biden opposes M4A is somehow an unfair comment to make. The primary isn't over. It probably will be soon. But right now it's not.

presidential nominees and red state Democratic Congress people. Nader ran as a Green and Gore lost...Bush started the wars, caused United, delayed health care legislation, killed millions in Katrina, ignored our enemies so our towers fell and then started two wars either by lying or incompetence. He capped his eight years courtesy of Nader promoted by the left/Greens with an economic meltdown.

Everything the left complains about they caused...they set progressive movement back a generation with their attacks on Kerry in the primary in 2004...he never recovered and was an easy target for the GOP in the General...then came the big one which has cost us the courts for a generation, gave huge tax breaks to the very rich, and now has killed Americans and may kill thousands more. The left/Greens went after Clinton and siphoned off votes to the Russian princess Jill Stein and elected Donald Trump.

Had Sanders helped Hillary sufficiently, it might have been different....I didn't even mention the attacks on Obama that limited what he could do during his eight years...the left/Greens scream that 'centrists' lose all the while they are kneecapping them every election. They should look in the mirror as they only help Republicans.

Yeah, Nader shares blame for 2000. Then again, so does Bill Clinton, not just for the Lewinsky thing, but also for spearheading the shift rightward along with the DLC/"New Democrat" thing. If Bill Clinton doesn't push his pro-corporate centrist agenda, then Nader wouldn't have gotten traction to begin with.

But that's indirect blame. When it comes to the Iraq War, there's direct blame shared by every single person in congress who voted for it. And there's also direct blame for all the pundits and think tanks that pushed the war.

It's crazy to say that "everything the left complains about they caused." They didn't cause Bill Clinton to deregulate banks, or welfare reform, or the crime bill, or the trade agreements, or everything else.

It's also totally baseless to blame the left when centrists lose elections. It's not the left's fault that both Kerry and HRC voted for the Iraq War, and that that vote contributed to their losses. If they had listened to the left in the first place about the Iraq War (and other things), they would have won.

I agree that the Green Party is counterproductive, all they do is help the GOP win. But it's just as true that centrist DLC/Third Way style Dems have made a lot of catastrophically bad calls over the course of the last 30 or so years, and they can't just blame the left for their own bad actions.

Except an opportunity to vent. What did concessions to "the left" bring us? Let's see... nothing except Trump and... well, that's it. This alone counts as 100 Iraq wars.

BTW, centrism also brought us Obamacare, the banking reform, over ten years of economic stability and growth, to mention just a few things. Something the revolutionaries on the left consistently and conveniently overlook.

You know, there are objective reasons Bernie lost the primary race. But... Iraq war a quarter century ago. I get it.

presidential nominees...sending their shitty message votes which basically said 'we elect Republicans'.

I have nothing but scorn for the Green Party and Nader in particular. But it's impossible to blame Nader's 2000 run for policies that Bill Clinton pushed in the 90s. And it's also impossible to blame Nader for votes that centrist Dems in congress cast.

Actually, all that centrism makes life doubly hard for people like me -- progressives that also vote Blue no matter Who without qualification. First, I have to watch Wall Street get deregulated and prisons get crowded and Iraq get invaded. And then, I have to try to convince would-be Green voters not to be idiots, which is made more difficult when Ds support those kinds of policies.

the country lurched right. Bush was expected to win a second term...which is why so few ran for president...and Clinton won with some help from Perot...he never had a majority in either election...how about Dukakis and McGovern? The left/Greens don't win and spend their time attacking Democrats instead of winning hearts and minds...too bad really.

I think Biden will make some concessions that are more liberal, but he will do it based on reason and experience.

I agree that the messengers are more the problem than the message. People want positive change, but they don't want to burn the house down. They also respond better to a message of hope than one of fear and anger.

coalition will be similar to the one that brought us the house.

That ship had sailed. We will have to run the revolution out of the confines of home, now.

In the real world, sanders did not win any major argument https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-didnt-win-any-larger-argument/2020/03/19/39b9a402-69f2-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html

Bernie refuses to accept that there were key factions within the Dem party like Labor that was not all in for M4All. Universal coverage is something all Dems want to achieve. Bernie would do better to carry that mantle and get away from insisting on the solution being M4All. There's much that can be accomplished via Obamacare but he refused to worked to improve and expand the universe of folks that could be insured under the program. Like always, it had to be Bernie's way or the highway and so he ends up with nothing.

For those who think Warren would be a good VP choice. That boggles the brain. For one their platforms are decidedly different and I don't see the broader electorate being excited about such a ticket.

The "policies" don't mean diddly. It's all about Bernie's strange charm, which for 26 years has consistently eluded me.

We get it. Joe has won.

Go JOE!



-Laelth

If that includes a nod to progressivism then I see no problem with that.

At least Warren, unlike Bernie, has plans for what she wanted to accomplish.

I could never get most Bernie folk to tell me what his implementation plans were. All most would say was “I’m sure he knows what he’s doing