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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:11 AM Mar 2020

Criticism of Bernie Sanders Will Cease Here Immediately

upon his withdrawal as a primary candidate for the Democratic nomination for President. Until then, he remains a candidate for that nomination and he will be discussed in the Democratic Primary forum on DU. Why would that not be so?

Are some people criticizing him here? Of course they are. We are in the middle of a primary campaign, and he is a candidate. When he is not, there will be no reason to discuss his activities or lack of them. Some people here also criticize Joe Biden, for the same reason.

We are not discussing the other candidates, all of whom have withdrawn, except for Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. That's what this forum discusses. Current candidates.

It is incorrect to label any posts here that point out shortcomings of a candidate as "bashing." They are not that. They are part of the primary race discussion.

I, and others, have called on Bernie Sanders to withdraw from the race, because he has no path to the nomination at this point. I, and others, have called for him to also enthusiastically endorse the Democratic Party's presumptive nominee. He has not done neither, so he is still a candidate and a topic for discussion here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Criticism of Bernie Sanders Will Cease Here Immediately (Original Post) MineralMan Mar 2020 OP
Amen to that!! Peacetrain Mar 2020 #1
It doesn't look like that will happen for at least a month: George II Mar 2020 #2
When any long-time member complains about "bashing", I do a site search using their LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #3
Why does this not surprise?! Thx for sharing...guess we will continue to defend Biden and the dems Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #6
Well, yes. MineralMan Mar 2020 #7
Same. betsuni Mar 2020 #32
Talk of him as an unwilling Democrat LakeArenal Mar 2020 #4
Quite True, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #5
+1000 Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #8
Your Astute Observations Are Quite Instructive, Sir. MineralMan Mar 2020 #9
I doubt it. Celerity Mar 2020 #10
I don't think so. I believe it will end quickly. MineralMan Mar 2020 #11
Sorry about Brooklynite. Is it long-term? brush Mar 2020 #12
I have no idea what happened or if it is temp, I just happened to click on his profile and saw he Celerity Mar 2020 #13
Something's up for a long-term regular like that to get banned. brush Mar 2020 #14
all it takes is 5 successful alerts within a 90 day period and poooof Celerity Mar 2020 #15
I'm sorry to hear that, sounds like he got really unlucky with jury selections. How long do these OnDoutside Mar 2020 #17
forever unless the admins grant you a reprieve Celerity Mar 2020 #18
The admins Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #19
+1 Celerity Mar 2020 #20
I'm honestly Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #22
exactly my thoughts as well, I had no idea he even had one hide, let alone 5 Celerity Mar 2020 #25
I'm not surprised. xmas74 Mar 2020 #34
God that's terrible, he's a good guy and a great contributor to the site. Can we make OnDoutside Mar 2020 #27
I have no idea to be completely honest. Celerity Mar 2020 #28
I'm with you on that ! OnDoutside Mar 2020 #29
My dear Celerity! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2020 #35
hey my Dear Peggy Celerity Mar 2020 #36
My husband and I are very safe! Not to worry. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2020 #37
My memory of 2015-2016 Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #21
sound like fun, NOT.......... glad I missed it Celerity Mar 2020 #24
I had no idea about Brooklynite xmas74 Mar 2020 #33
When Bernie puts country above party Ellen Forradalom Mar 2020 #16
Well Said, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #23
Bernie is needlessly risking lives by forcing people to vote... getagrip_already Mar 2020 #26
I highly doubt your subject line, though I agree with the body of your post fishwax Mar 2020 #30
I agree, pointing out shortcomings of a candidate is not bashing. whether Sanders or Biden. But... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #31
I am only responsible for my own posts. MineralMan Mar 2020 #39
LOL, ok! nt USALiberal Mar 2020 #38
Just like happened here in 2016? LostOne4Ever Mar 2020 #40
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
2. It doesn't look like that will happen for at least a month:
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:22 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,515 posts)
3. When any long-time member complains about "bashing", I do a site search using their
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:22 AM
Mar 2020

username and "Hillary". It's usually pretty revealing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(34,666 posts)
6. Why does this not surprise?! Thx for sharing...guess we will continue to defend Biden and the dems
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:30 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
7. Well, yes.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:30 AM
Mar 2020

I tend to focus on now, though. I have done your exercise, though, from time to time, and it's very revealing, indeed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(27,258 posts)
32. Same.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:51 PM
Mar 2020

But I start with a different version of the name, replace y with ian.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(29,813 posts)
4. Talk of him as an unwilling Democrat
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:28 AM
Mar 2020

who declared war on his partime party. Who twice has been shown to be a sore loser. Who hires Green Party Russia approved folks who also deplore the party and the other candidates of that party.

Who spouts half-truths about others in order to diminish them to his advantage.

Finally, one of those that are responsible the unfortunate removal of Al Franken.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
5. Quite True, Sir
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:28 AM
Mar 2020

Let the man concede he has lost the contest to be nominated for President by the Democratic Party, let him forswear publicly any attempts at blackmailing disruption over platform and rules at the convention, and let him give a full-throated endorsement of Mr. Biden. No one will mention his name again.

Of course, that could be why he does not do these things....



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
9. Your Astute Observations Are Quite Instructive, Sir.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:31 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(46,229 posts)
10. I doubt it.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:06 AM
Mar 2020

Too much ill will built up.

All that will happen is the subject for attacks will shift, and it will occur in a different forum as this one will be closed down.

This will, rightly or wrongly, never be a Sanders-friendly forum again, if it ever was (I hear many conflicting stories about 2015/16, which was well before my time here.) It simply isn't going to happen, for many reasons. partially becuase of Sanders himself, partially over ideology and overall orientation.

I myself just wish he would drop out, and at least thus remove the overwhelming amount of argy bargy atm.

I am quite sad that one of my favourite posters here, Brooklynite, was just banned, after 18 years here. I am fairly sure it had to do with some Bernie brawl post that he waded into and said something that pissed off enough people, certain people on a jury, and thus poof he goes. Who knows.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
11. I don't think so. I believe it will end quickly.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:08 AM
Mar 2020

However, now there is talk of Sanders staying in until after the New York primary, at the end of next month. What a pity. I guess he'll still be topic of threads here.

I didn't know about Brooklynite. That is a sad turn of events. Perhaps he'll be back shortly. He is one of our most knowledgeable politically active DUers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(57,601 posts)
12. Sorry about Brooklynite. Is it long-term?
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 12:04 PM
Mar 2020

How did it happen?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(46,229 posts)
13. I have no idea what happened or if it is temp, I just happened to click on his profile and saw he
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 12:20 PM
Mar 2020

was FFR'ed.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=112524

He was always very nice to me and I loved his insider info. His postings at real events with some great pics were very much appreciated by me. TBH, I have never read a post by him that I would have considered remotely worthy of a hide, but it isn't like I have read EVERY post he made.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(57,601 posts)
14. Something's up for a long-term regular like that to get banned.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 12:34 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(46,229 posts)
15. all it takes is 5 successful alerts within a 90 day period and poooof
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 12:43 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(20,658 posts)
17. I'm sorry to hear that, sounds like he got really unlucky with jury selections. How long do these
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 01:48 PM
Mar 2020

bans last ?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(46,229 posts)
18. forever unless the admins grant you a reprieve
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 01:51 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
19. The admins
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 01:57 PM
Mar 2020

can be pretty reasonable if it’s a long term poster who got screwed by the jury. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back soon. I hope so, at least.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
22. I'm honestly
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:01 PM
Mar 2020

surprised he got five hides. He could be blunt but I never saw him go over the top into personal insults or anything like that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(46,229 posts)
25. exactly my thoughts as well, I had no idea he even had one hide, let alone 5
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:06 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

xmas74

(29,766 posts)
34. I'm not surprised.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:23 AM
Mar 2020

Some of the recent juries have been crazy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(20,658 posts)
27. God that's terrible, he's a good guy and a great contributor to the site. Can we make
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:27 PM
Mar 2020

representations on his behalf, or is that not allowed ?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(46,229 posts)
28. I have no idea to be completely honest.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:35 PM
Mar 2020

I hope they let him back.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(20,658 posts)
29. I'm with you on that !
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:42 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CaliforniaPeggy

(152,115 posts)
35. My dear Celerity!
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:02 PM
Mar 2020

FFR is Flagged for Review. It is not necessarily a banning. Sometimes the Admins let them go on like that indefinitely, and sometimes they don't.

It depends on the member's conduct. I cannot imagine that they would permanently ban brooklynite.

I sure hope not. That would hurt the community.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(46,229 posts)
36. hey my Dear Peggy
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:06 PM
Mar 2020

Yes, I guess I was not so precise with my language. He was not banned by the Admins (Posting Privileges Revoked), but via too many hides.

But, like you said, it is permanent unless the Admins intervene.

I so hope you are staying safe!

huggiezzzz

Cel

<3

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CaliforniaPeggy

(152,115 posts)
37. My husband and I are very safe! Not to worry.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:09 PM
Mar 2020

In case you didn't know, members who are FFR'd can still read posts and threads and they can respond to private messages. I sent him one, offering my support. I hope he'll see it.

It makes me very sad.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
21. My memory of 2015-2016
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 01:59 PM
Mar 2020

is that Sanders supporters dominated with a significant minority supporting Clinton. I was one of those Sanders supporters but I never disliked Hillary. After Clinton was nominated, a fair chunk of the Sanders supporters wanted to keep blasting Clinton, so they left or were banned.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(46,229 posts)
24. sound like fun, NOT.......... glad I missed it
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:04 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

xmas74

(29,766 posts)
33. I had no idea about Brooklynite
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:21 AM
Mar 2020

When did that happen?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ellen Forradalom

(16,178 posts)
16. When Bernie puts country above party
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 01:18 PM
Mar 2020

and party above his faction and himself, then we can talk.

Until then he's a destructive force and merits the strongest criticism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
23. Well Said, Ma'am
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:03 PM
Mar 2020

Well said indeed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

getagrip_already

(17,440 posts)
26. Bernie is needlessly risking lives by forcing people to vote...
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:10 PM
Mar 2020

In long lines and packed polling places just because of personal ambition.

And for what? He has no path left.

But supporters on both sides will need to turn out. That wouldn't be necessary if he suspends his campaign.

Its selfish and irresponsible at this point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

fishwax

(29,325 posts)
30. I highly doubt your subject line, though I agree with the body of your post
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 03:06 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(12,347 posts)
31. I agree, pointing out shortcomings of a candidate is not bashing. whether Sanders or Biden. But...
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 10:25 PM
Mar 2020

...that doesn't mean that there aren't postings here that ARE bashing.

If a criticism is relevant and backed up by facts, presented in proper context, etc. that's not a bash. If stuff is misleading, missing important context, irrelevant, or just a virtual primal scream against someone, that's another story.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
39. I am only responsible for my own posts.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 04:31 PM
Mar 2020

They are the only ones I can control. So, I can't respond to posts relating to posts from others.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LostOne4Ever

(9,597 posts)
40. Just like happened here in 2016?
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 06:00 PM
Mar 2020

If memory serves me correctly the attacks on Bernie didn't stop. Just the ability to respond to them.

But anyway, I don't mind criticism of Bernie. I mind all the Bashing. By which I mean personal attacks, insults, lies, etc. Things that have nothing to do with simple policy differences but attacks against the man personally.

From calling him a Naricisist:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287681606

To saying he cuts a poor figure of a man:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287681606

Which they even admit wasn't reference to his masculity but his character:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=685119

Those are not criticism as expected in a heated but respectful debate. Those are personal attacks...against a man who caucuses with the democrats and supports our causes. A man who stood up for Civil rights in the 60's and Gay soliders in the 90s. A man who has fought for universal healthcare for decades.

You don't have to like him. You can criticize him till the cows come hope. You can mention that he probably wouldn't be able to get any of his agenda passed. That he has no chance of winning. You can discuss why you feel he should drop out. I don't have issues with any of that. But I do have issues with how personal attacks against him and Sander's supporters that happen here all the time. If someone said some of the things about Biden here like they say about Bernie they would get their posts RIGHTFULLY hidden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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