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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

polichick

(37,625 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:40 AM Mar 2020

For anyone in direct communication with the Biden campaign

(Yes, I support Bernie’s policies and see our future going in that direction - but if Biden is our candidate I want him to win.)

Yesterday, Joe appeared with Nicolle Wallace, both broadcasting from their basements. As always, Joe was kind, empathetic and an all around good guy.

Where he missed an opportunity is when he said he just doesn’t get Trump. Someone on the campaign needs to follow the experts who do get Trump - @BandyXLee1 and @duty2warn for a start - and craft a few lines that Joe can use to help educate voters about the dangers we continue to face with Trump in office.

It’s not Joe’s place to diagnose, but he can help people connect the dots by translating the insights of experts into descriptive language like mentioning “a drive to put profits over people,” “a need to make everything about himself, not about the people,” “having a cruel streak,” etc. etc.

Everybody needs to understand that Trump won’t change because he can’t change - we have to get real about the way we speak about the problem - especially the media and the candidates who want to lead our country out of this dark place.

Dems need to get Trump, in more ways than one. Our country depends on it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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For anyone in direct communication with the Biden campaign (Original Post) polichick Mar 2020 OP
Bernie and his surrogates also need to do that DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #1
Not the point - try not to deflect. polichick Mar 2020 #2
It is the point DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #3
Bernie already follows the experts I cited and uses appropriate language... polichick Mar 2020 #5
Really?? fallout87 Mar 2020 #10
Haven't seen the Bern in DC for awhile DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #12
Agreed Gothmog Mar 2020 #30
Timing is almost everything bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #4
That's not exactly what he said and certainly wasn't what he meant.... George II Mar 2020 #6
Who is surprised that Joe was misquoted by a sanders supporter? Gothmog Mar 2020 #31
Elizabeth Warren can explain Trump to Biden AND the consequences of blm Mar 2020 #7
Don't be silly; it was a disparaging comment, not an actual statement of comprehension LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #8
Exactly, it's not that Biden doesn't get trump, he said he "just doesn't GET trump", meaning.... George II Mar 2020 #20
Needs to stop touching his face jimfields33 Mar 2020 #9
Oh STOP!!!!! Who gives a crap if he coughs into his hand alone in his basement. This is getting.... George II Mar 2020 #21
+1000 Peacetrain Mar 2020 #25
Thanks for your concern HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #33
Even worse than that... fallout87 Mar 2020 #11
For all practical reasons the primary is over. We have nothing of consequence going in the primaries beastie boy Mar 2020 #18
Absent? He did tv shows yesterday LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #19
Just did a search and this was the first link that came up fallout87 Mar 2020 #29
Bullshit! He's been more visible than his opponent this last week. At least he isn't AWOL... George II Mar 2020 #22
sanders lost the primary and cannot over come Joe's delegate lead Gothmog Mar 2020 #32
So many sour grapes. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #34
Biden pretty much did that yesterday on Nicole Wallace. Besides, everyone knows what trump is, Hoyt Mar 2020 #13
Can you provide more context on Biden's comment? beastie boy Mar 2020 #14
It's been taken out of context here and blown way out of proportion. Sad that some have to do that. George II Mar 2020 #23
That's what I suspected. beastie boy Mar 2020 #24
He made the comment with an incredulous tone in his voice, like "I just don't get trump". George II Mar 2020 #27
Context would invalidate the OP. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #36
Sounds like he's shifting to GE mode. ucrdem Mar 2020 #15
When Biden says what should be done and why and then says he doesn't get Trump, karynnj Mar 2020 #16
Exactly. ucrdem Mar 2020 #17
Biden needs to stay above the fray and remain presidential NCProgressive Mar 2020 #26
That's Biden's Style, and It Seems to Be Working OK. MineralMan Mar 2020 #28
Your concern is duly noted. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #35
 

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
1. Bernie and his surrogates also need to do that
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:42 AM
Mar 2020

rather than going after Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

polichick

(37,625 posts)
2. Not the point - try not to deflect.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:44 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
3. It is the point
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:47 AM
Mar 2020

Biden is doing a fine job...check out some of his commercials.

The deflection is by the Bern and his surrogates: if they REALLY wanted to "get Trump", they'd support Biden, not tear him down.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

polichick

(37,625 posts)
5. Bernie already follows the experts I cited and uses appropriate language...
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:50 AM
Mar 2020

in describing Trump.

Bernie has the right to run.

I voted for Bernie but also want Joe to win if he is our candidate.

This is an important issue - the Biden campaign would be smart to get someone on it.

Deflections like yours don’t help.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

fallout87

(819 posts)
10. Really??
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:04 AM
Mar 2020

I haven't seen him on any noteworthy appearances for at least a week.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
12. Haven't seen the Bern in DC for awhile
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:06 AM
Mar 2020

Joe's been on The View etc and making commercials etc

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bucolic_frolic

(47,018 posts)
4. Timing is almost everything
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:48 AM
Mar 2020

and when Trump has hung himself out to dry, after Easter in the rolling nationwide fallout from Trump's failed policies, that will be a gotcha moment when serious cases can begin to be built. I'd also say build a case, but save your best ammo for the October home stretch, then kick it into high gear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. That's not exactly what he said and certainly wasn't what he meant....
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:56 AM
Mar 2020

Lifting part of a sentence from about 20 minutes isn't very fair. What happened just before and just after he said "he just doesn't get trump"?

I think he did a great job yesterday afternoon - on Nicole Wallace's show and with Jake Tapper on CNN a little early. His appearance on The View was a little awkward because they didn't have the sound well synched.

This is all a new way of "campaigning", it'll get better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(154,590 posts)
31. Who is surprised that Joe was misquoted by a sanders supporter?
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:06 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,822 posts)
7. Elizabeth Warren can explain Trump to Biden AND the consequences of
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:57 AM
Mar 2020

his actions. Cruel, stupid, entitled, and dangerous frat boy mentality is something she would have dealt with every semester.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,515 posts)
8. Don't be silly; it was a disparaging comment, not an actual statement of comprehension
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:01 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. Exactly, it's not that Biden doesn't get trump, he said he "just doesn't GET trump", meaning....
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020

...."I don't get why he doesn't realize what he's doing".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jimfields33

(18,924 posts)
9. Needs to stop touching his face
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:02 AM
Mar 2020

And he was coughing and using his hand. He was told to use his elbow. He said I’m by myself no need.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/politics/2020/03/24/joe-biden-cough-jake-tapper-lead-vpx-sot.cnn

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. Oh STOP!!!!! Who gives a crap if he coughs into his hand alone in his basement. This is getting....
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:49 AM
Mar 2020

....bizarre with all the minute, picayune criticisms of Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
33. Thanks for your concern
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:15 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

fallout87

(819 posts)
11. Even worse than that...
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:05 AM
Mar 2020

He's been absent in these dark times. One would even forget we have a primary going.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
18. For all practical reasons the primary is over. We have nothing of consequence going in the primaries
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:16 AM
Mar 2020

Besides, he, like everyone else still running, has "a fucking global crisis to deal with".

Do you find anything wrong with that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,515 posts)
19. Absent? He did tv shows yesterday
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:35 AM
Mar 2020

And we don't have a primary going; we have a presumptive nominee, and a candidate with no chance that refuses to quit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

fallout87

(819 posts)
29. Just did a search and this was the first link that came up
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:07 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/entertainment/joe-biden-gaffe-alert-stuns-043232408.html


Joe Biden Gaffe Alert: Stuns ‘The View’ By Claiming Coronavirus Cure Will Make The Problem Worse
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George II

(67,782 posts)
22. Bullshit! He's been more visible than his opponent this last week. At least he isn't AWOL...
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:52 AM
Mar 2020

...from his job an responsibilities.

Except for his "round table" and rock concert on Sunday night (from Vermont, when the Senate was in session in Washington), Sanders hadn't been seen since Wednesday afternoon.

With respect to Sanders, to quote you about Biden, "One would even forget we have a primary going."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(154,590 posts)
32. sanders lost the primary and cannot over come Joe's delegate lead
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:08 PM
Mar 2020

The real world is a nice place and I like living in the real world

BTW how is sanders magical voter revolution doing?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. Biden pretty much did that yesterday on Nicole Wallace. Besides, everyone knows what trump is,
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:06 AM
Mar 2020

some just don't care.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
14. Can you provide more context on Biden's comment?
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:07 AM
Mar 2020

Perhaps a link to the conversation.

Because I have doubts that his "I don't get Trump" comment has to do with Trump's "drive to put profits over people", etc. Everybody gets it, even Trump's supporters. This kind of selfish darwinian not giving a fuck about anyone but themselves is exactly what appeals to them. I doubt that repeating the obvious will do Biden any good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
23. It's been taken out of context here and blown way out of proportion. Sad that some have to do that.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:53 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(11,148 posts)
24. That's what I suspected.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:55 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. He made the comment with an incredulous tone in his voice, like "I just don't get trump".
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:02 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
36. Context would invalidate the OP.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 03:00 PM
Mar 2020

That's why it wasn't provided. Biden's intent with the statement was clear, and OP's interpretation of same is laughable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,703 posts)
15. Sounds like he's shifting to GE mode.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:08 AM
Mar 2020

That's where he has to try to win swing voters as well as Democrats. To do that he has to avoid disparaging comments about Trump or Trump voters. I doubt he'll succeed 100%, knowing Joe, but it's good to see that he's making an effort.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

karynnj

(59,943 posts)
16. When Biden says what should be done and why and then says he doesn't get Trump,
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:09 AM
Mar 2020

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the message is Trump is failing. His comment that he doesn't get Trump is in the context of why is Trump not doing what is needed. People listening can fill in their own reasons whether ideological or just that he is incompetent.

Biden leaves the focus on his sadness that Trump is failing the country in its hour of need. That is a strong message. Probably as strong as he can get given that he does not want anyone to be able to argue that he made Trump succeeding less likely by attacking him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
26. Biden needs to stay above the fray and remain presidential
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:01 PM
Mar 2020

What you suggested is the job of surrogates and the VP nominee

If I were to vote in a presidential
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MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
28. That's Biden's Style, and It Seems to Be Working OK.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:05 PM
Mar 2020

I wouldn't presume to tell him how he should deliver his ideas, frankly.

I'll just let him figure out how he wants to do that.

Remember, he sometimes says "That's Malarkey." He sometimes says things quite bluntly. Some people fault him for that, too.

Let him sell himself in his own way. He's doing OK with that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
35. Your concern is duly noted.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 01:17 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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