Democratic Primaries

TomCADem

(17,760 posts) Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:25 PM Mar 2020

Inside Bernie-world's war on Beto O'Rourke (2018)

You have to keep in mind that the most notable thing about BS is not that his campaign is based on ideas, rather BS has created an ongoing platform to launch false attacks on Democrats. It is not just Biden. It is not just Warren. BS's goal is try to make everyone more unelectable than he is. BS does not build a movement. He destroys it and tries to replace it with a personality cult centered around him.

since he himself admits that he has no idea how much his Medicare Fo

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/inside-bernie-world-s-war-beto-o-rourke-n951016

WASHINGTON — Forces loyal to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are waging an increasingly public war against Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke, the new darling of Democratic activists, as the two men weigh whether to seek the party's presidential nomination in 2020.

The main line of attack against O'Rourke is that he isn't progressive enough — that he's been too close to Republicans in Congress, too close to corporate donors and not willing enough to use his star power to help fellow Democrats — and it is being pushed almost exclusively by Sanders supporters online and in print.

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That explains the rush to define him in negative terms.

Sanders supporters insist there's nothing coordinated about the attacks on O'Rourke and note Sanders himself and his top allies have said nothing about O'Rourke. Sanders' is an unusually decentralized political world, with a loose collection of activists and operatives who often take actions without direction or approval from any central authority. But they acknowledge that there's increasing public examination of his record.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Inside Bernie-world's war on Beto O'Rourke (2018) (Original Post) TomCADem Mar 2020 OP

That's from December 2018 left-of-center2012 Mar 2020 #1

As noted in the title. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #2

And where is Beto today? left-of-center2012 Mar 2020 #4

Endorsed Biden After Originally Being Partial to Bernie TomCADem Mar 2020 #10

Thank you for your concern. TomCADem Mar 2020 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Mar 2020 #5

The article may be from December 2018, TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #7

Same thing with Kamala Hairris and Mayor Pete. showblue22 Mar 2020 #12

Thx for posting! 2018 or no, it's still what he's doing, nothing has changed Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #6

The Key Thing Is That BS's Attacks Are Not Unique to An Opponent TomCADem Mar 2020 #8

K&R! TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #9

Relevant! Cha Mar 2020 #11

They did it to Kamala Harris Very early on too showblue22 Mar 2020 #13

All that energy devoted to subterfuge, lying and ratfucking dalton99a Mar 2020 #14

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)

1. That's from December 2018

Reply to TomCADem (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:30 PM

Mar 2020

That's from December 2018

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)

2. As noted in the title.

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:31 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)

4. And where is Beto today?

Reply to TwilightZone (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:34 PM

Mar 2020

relevance?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TomCADem

(17,760 posts)

10. Endorsed Biden After Originally Being Partial to Bernie

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:52 PM

Mar 2020

Elizabeth Warren was once an ally, but Bernie burned that bridge with his attacks on her character.

Heck, even Tulsi Gabbard, who endorsed Bernie in 2016, is endorsing Biden.

I think it is pretty relevant how BS manages to alienate would be allies. You can lead a movement if you are shooting everyone you are hoping to lead in the back.

It speaks to BS's narcissism and his qualities as a leader that he manages to alienate even folks like Beto and Warren and most surprisingly Tulsi.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TomCADem

(17,760 posts)

3. Thank you for your concern.

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:33 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Response to TomCADem (Reply #3)

left-of-center2012 This message was self-deleted by its author.

TexasTowelie

(116,830 posts)

7. The article may be from December 2018,

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:39 PM

Mar 2020

but it doesn't mean that the information in the article isn't true. I recall the attacks from Bernie's surrogates such as David Sirota that were made against Beto in late 2018 and early 2019.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

showblue22

(1,026 posts)

12. Same thing with Kamala Hairris and Mayor Pete.

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:47 AM

Mar 2020

It's his M.O

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(34,666 posts)

6. Thx for posting! 2018 or no, it's still what he's doing, nothing has changed

Reply to TomCADem (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:36 PM

Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TomCADem

(17,760 posts)

8. The Key Thing Is That BS's Attacks Are Not Unique to An Opponent

Reply to Thekaspervote (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:46 PM

Mar 2020

Perhaps in 2016, you could attribute it to something unique about Hillary Clinton, but this time around, it is clear that BS has a clear playbook of launching character attacks on his opponents and Democrats in general.

As noted by the Foreign Policy Research Initiative, Bernie's campaign is tailor (on purpose?) to be used at platform for Russia to influence the U.S. election and undermine faith in a Democratic system, particularly since BS's campaign is focused on attacking Democrats even though he is running for the Democratic nomination.

https://www.fpri.org/fie/russias-mentions-2020-candidates-update-2/

Though Russia pushed similar narratives about Sanders during the 2016 election, there are new Sanders narratives in 2020:
* New establishment figures opposing Sanders – Mayors Pete Buttigieg and Michael Bloomberg are often portrayed as part of alleged Democratic corruption
* Need for transparency – Despite Sanders’s campaign pushing for more transparency in the caucuses for 2020, he remains a victim of DNC bias
* 2020 is more corrupt than 2016 – The notion that alleged corruption is far worse in 2020 than it was in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TexasTowelie

(116,830 posts)

9. K&R!

Reply to TomCADem (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:47 PM

Mar 2020

Beto engaged young voters in his Senate campaign in 2018. Immediately after the election, some of Bernie's supporters started attacking Beto because they viewed him as a contender for a demographic group that they desperately needed for Bernie's campaign. It was a classic example of dirty politics that some of Bernie's supporters engaged in, not only against Beto, but nearly every other candidate that rose above the 2% support level in the primaries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden