Anything done to push him out runs the risk of alienating voters in the remaining primary states, if they are not given a chance to make their choices.

Either he publicly disavows his trolls/surrogates or gets kicked out.

The rest of us want it over. I live in Ohio and I would be thrilled to end this...Sander has gone beyond the pale and now needs to be kicked out of the primary...as for his supporters it will only matter to the ones who would not have voted for us anyway.

and those that are not hardcore...know it...the hardcore group who want to go to the convention and force the powers that be to give Sanders the nomination will stay home, write Bernie in ,vote third party or vote for Trump, They won't vote for Biden. The primary is over...Sanders should have suspended after Florida. He has no chance. It is not unusual for a candidate to suspend before all have voted. It happens most years. I updated this because the Primary goes on to pick other nominees down ballot and also local referendums.

Exactly, we need the party to be unified.

watched as Sanders surrogates trashed Biden on Twitter for days and now the rape thing which the Campaign has retweeted...it is over. fuck them, if they won't vote for our nominee, we will win without them. I don't give two shits about Sanders supporters so...they can lend a hand or get the fuck out of the way...it is all the same to me. The DNC is going to have to step in and perhaps Obama should endorse.

… especially when coming from the followers of a man famous for writing rape fantasies.

And Biden supporters is not the way to go.

give his campaign a pass on this? So, calling them out on spreading disparaging lies is alienating his fragile supporters? He can keep his stinking revolution.

For the love of all that is sane, stop this ridiculous argument about "not given a chance to make their choices." It's total bullshit.

Do you really think this is the first time in history that a nomination has been sewn up long before the primary season is over?

Get real. It happens all the damned time. And you know what? The people in the tail end states get over it. They don't whine about how their "choice" is taken away. Because it's never been taken away. BS voters in those states can still vote for their runner-up candidate. He'll be on the ballot in their state, most likely. But what he won't be doing is winning in them, because the tail end states will either have planned to vote for Biden in numbers big enough to win their states, anyway, or they will accept reality, and vote to give down ticket races some love.

I've been part of campaigns since 1968, when I was six years old and stuffing envelopes for Bobby Kennedy with my Democratic-active family. I have never--EVER--seen so many whiny-ass titty babies sobbing about something that is a flat-out lie.

How that works. The situation is different if voters perceive that a chance to weigh in was taken away from them. How long did we have to hear about alleged DNC’s mishandling the 2016 primary—even though there was little evidence of it and all the primaries were held?

...that phony "rape" story about VP Joe Biden.

They're getting desperate, they see the gravy train drying up, and they're doing whatever they can to keep it rolling for just a few more $2.70 contributions.

trumpian politics at it's "best" (or worst)!

As we've seen.

I’m beginning to think the man doesn’t have a decent bone in his body.

I haven't seen Sirota, Joy Gray, or Turner retweet anything about this though Nina retweeted an unrelated graphic bashing Joe by someone with the Twitter handle, "Biden’s 9 sexual assault allegations." Now, could that person have changed their handle since she retweeted them? Possibly.

The Bros and Bras are going absolutely nuts about this, tagging every person every involved in #MeToo.

All of this is reason why I listen to people's allegations before I assign either of the words "Believe" or "victim." This is our own backlash. We created this monster and now we're living with it. Coming from Salem, Massachusetts as I do, I often recall how easily the courtroom believed that there was actually an invisible yellow bird attacking the so-called afflicted girls. If there's anything Salem taught us, it's that the answer the age old question, "why would someone lie about something so awful," is that, when all other motives are off the table, good old-fashioned attention is always on the menu.

Nina Turner has joined in with Sarandon on pushing this crap.

doing what is right, right here and now for those votes, by getting behind Biden 100%. Sanders does not have it in him.

Bernie benefited four years ago from a quarter century of misogynist hate directed at Mrs. Clinton, and took the results as support for his views and his person. The coalition which will oust Trump and McConnell includes a great many middle of the road types disgusted by Trump, and ardent Democrats who hate Trump like poison. 'Bernie' repels the former, and has declared himself the open enemy of the latter. 'Bernie' would not stand a chance in a general election, especially after the 'Crazy Bernie the Commie' line got underway from the Trump campaign.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Past a certain point, which we approach the cusp of, those so poisoned by devotion to the 'Bernie' cult as to be unwilling to join the common cause will have to be written off. With the sort of regret one displays when a relative has succumbed to the bottle or the needle or the pipe, certainly, but written off all the same. The effort cannot come only from one side. That is extortionate blackmail, and giving in to it would cause more injury that trusting the blackmailer and accommodating him might gain. Defiance demonstrates strength and courage, and this is more appealing than any display of weakness. The coalition that will defeat Trump includes many middle of the road types disgusted by him, as the 2018 capture of the House shows. These people are repelled by 'Bernie', and much concession to him will cost votes here. The dead-end cultists, even if they did follow through once their demands have been met, which they can't be trusted to do, cannot muster enough votes to make up for this.



"Americans love a winner! And hate a loser!"





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

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Krystal Ball, Sean King, Brihana Grey and rags Jacobin, commondreams and intercept all came out simultaneously peddling a rape allegation against Joe Biden claiming it happened in 1993 and no one listened to the "poor woman."

Like this wouldn't have come out in the 2008 election or the 2012 election, and been FRONT PAGE HEADLINES all over the nation.

Just more melodrama from "Scorched Earth Bernie." How pathetic. What next ? Dr. Jill ran a beastiality porno film company out of the basement of the Bronx Zoo ?

Give it up, Bernie. We've all moved on.

first as a member of the foreign relations committee and later as VP. This would have come up in the stringent FBI review and also in Obama vetting Biden as a running mate.

What does that mean? Did Biden's accuser approach the MeToo movement? In what way did they turn her down?

No judgment, condemnation, or accusation is meant by this question. Nor is it rhetorical or meant to embarrass anyone. I'm just trying to understand the facts here.

immediately

Like Nina, David, his top staff.

Then you have Sarandon and West. Oh. Mike too.

… do you have a link? I just looked on twitter. Turner did a little passive-aggressively by retweeting an unrelated post from somone with a Twitter handle titled "Biden’s 9 sexual assault allegations" but that person could have changed their name after the retweet. Either way, this is just disgusting on the part of the Breuxs.

and that the allegations are not true.

If enough noise is made that Bernie fucked up in carrying out a dirty trick, the real Democrats supporting Bernie will be as disgusted as I am. The core cultists won't vote for Biden anyway. We need to stop coddling them.

My hope is that Bernie won't be seen in a positive light by anyone except the devotees from that day forward.

Biden must have had a rigorous security clearance review as a mamber of the foreign relations committee and then as VP -- if this allegation were true, it would have come up in FBI's stringent process. Also, Obama vetted Biden before making him his running mate and we know President Obama is careful, methodical and thorough.

Like how they stole polling data from Hillary's campaign off the DNC servers, back in 2015.

It's always been a sleazy operation.

His core cultists didn't care about it then, and they don't care about mucking about in dishonest filth now.

unless he disavows these fake allegations and throws his peanut gallery under the bus.

I still can't believe they allowed BS to run on their tab again after that.
We cannot let it happen next time, whomever Moscow selects to run as the divider.
Legit Dems only, no temps.
Fuck the table flippers and rainbow chasers. They will never vote for the candidate. Their mission is to make a scene, then jump back and watch the world burn.
Who else wants a medal for crying, "I take no responsibility for this"?

His campaign staff retweeting it. I don't think he should be allowed to speak at the convention.

What his campaign did should never ever be excused and should be severely punished.

The question is how much damage BS and his merry band of ratfuckers are causing to get Trump reelected.

He's trying to push Biden to have to concede. What kind of a person does this? Think about that. Who does this nasty shit? What kind of people are they?

bullshit.

turn off. He’s got bad Biden envy. Ironically, it is in part his dirty tricks played through surrogates
that contribute to him being so unlikable he failed to draw enough support.

believe them.

And his pathetic fucking acolytes want to play along just like the did when helped elect Trump. Fuck this guy.

The DNC doesn't control the primaries. States do. The primary elections will happen, no matter what, because more is always on the ballot than the Presidential campaign.

If by some miracle (doubtful) BS does the right thing and concedes, it won't change those elections in the least.

Some of the primaries may very well be later than June 2nd...It simply can't happen. And Sanders has to pay a price for this sort of thing. He can be kicked out of this primary.

The other states have to vote to assign their delegates.

That's how it works.

It won't change.

Nominees for Congress, and state and local office must be chosen.

Sanders must be stripped of seniority in the Democratic caucus in the Senate (he is a member by sufferance only, not by right), and stripped off all committee assignments. If he does not like it, he can go to McConnell and do his destructive work in the open sunshine.

Such a show of strength would gain far more credibility in more centerist quarters for the Party, and prove extremely inspirational to loyal Democrats and sensible leftists. This would be more than sufficient to swamp any poutrage by 'Bernie' cultists. Strength is respected and admired, weakness is not. As the old saw had it even back in the thirties in Mr. Roosevelt's day: "A liberal is a man who won't take his own side in a quarrel." People want officials who will fight for their interests, and the sight of a man seemingly unwilling even to fight for himself does not inspire.


"Americans love a winner, and hate a loser."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

He should be stripped of any committees he is in. He's never there anyway.

Some states hold a Federal primary on a different date from the state and local. I believe some of the first states to put off their primaries during the epidemic simply rolled the dates into one, the state and local being already scheduled for later (This split with local last helps local leaders keep some control of the outcome). The ballots are already printed, and though it is a Party function, ballots are under state law. If a candidate has conceded, votes cast anyway for him or her are not counted towards delegates, but if a candidate is still active, the name is there and ballots marked for that candidate must be counted. I do not know if state law applies in some way should, say, the Party simply proclaim votes for Sanders would not be counted towards delegates. That might be a little raw for public consumption, and open matters to suit in court.

Sanders must be pressured out of the race if this is to end. Whatever the pressure is, it must be overwhelming and done in bright lights....


"Kill one, warn one hundred."

nominee now...or maybe after Georgia.

My comment to the DNC:

"The Bernie Sanders campaign is circulating rape and abuse stories about Joe Biden. They have been going too far in sabotaging Biden and broadcasting lies about him for this entire campaign.

I am imploring the DNC to contact Sanders and his campaign surrogates and, in no uncertain terms, tell them to back off and start supporting Joe Biden for President.

We don't need another four years of Trump because a sore loser tried to bring the house down on his way out. We've already been through that, and the devastation we are living with today is the result."

It's time to bombard the DNC and let them know they've got to put a stop to this, now.

https://democrats.org/contact-us/

I am writing my own letter now. Can I take a few points from yours?

Bernie sanders' campaign top high profile surrogates and staff are pushing a easily discredited rape allegation against our presumptive nominee, Joe Biden.

This allegation is being made by someone who has a long history of admiring and praising Vladimir Putin in her blog. In April of 2019 this person accused Joe Biden of smelling her hair nothing more! Just as Bernie is desperate for something to happen to our nominee, perhaps even something bad enough to force our nominee to concede... the allegation goes to full blown rape.

This is a repulsive allegation that no decent campaign would lever against anyone without sound indisputable evidence. This is beyond the pale. I am requesting the DNC to bar Bernie Sanders and his campaign from speaking or attending the convention. Thank you for your consideration.

And, the link!

I already got a text asking me to verify my complete address. Here we go!

I would’ve said no, let the race play out. But now, with these bogus allegations, the DNC should ask Sanders to repudiate the smears. If he doesn’t, kick him out of the party so we can go on facing Donald Trump.

Sanders has never been a Democrat or shown much consideration for other Democrats. That's the problem. What's the DNC going to do to him?

sympathy for Sanders but the DNC simply can't disqualify candidates. I say this a someone who has never had a kind word for BS and his minions.

or doing something so heinous that it reveals their moral turpitude.

It may be the first time in history but he can be ejected from the party and thus from the election.

and removed from his committee assignments though.

is the presumptive nominee...the primary goes on but Joe pivots to the General...we have to do something or Trump will win with Sander's scorched earth tactics.

In April 2019 she said he smelled her hair... suddenly when Bernie LOST the nomination and the only way he has a chance is if Biden is forced to concede... it's suddenly full blown rape! Bernie is done! He can not be allowed to speak at our convention!

All roads lead to Putin?

Pushed right out of the Sanders campaign. I think The Intercept should have to register as a foreign agent.

They need to be investigated for election interference.

Hmmm.

Sanders ought to be expelled from the Democratic Caucus in the Senate (he is there only by sufferance, not right), stripped of all seniority and committee assignments, and told if he does not like it, he can cross the aisle and carry on doing harm to the people and the country in open company with McConnell. His conduct, and the conduct of his coterie, is foul and inexcusable, particularly with these most recent developments. At the very least, he should be 'shewn the instruments', with the full understanding the threat laid out above will be executed if he does not stand down his campaign within the hour.


"Americans love a winner, and hate a loser."


"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

All of it.

On the other hand, the constant attacks on "Bernie Bros" is harmful to the coalition of voters who are needed to win in November.

Or that support for 'Bernie' is somehow the default here, the 'true' progressive opinion. It most definitely is not. I gather Sanders supporters ran rather thick here four years ago. This is now, appeal to precedent is meaningless. You can see the true proportion in the strip at the top of this forum.

And pay some attention the actual situation. The continual misbehavior of 'Bernie Bros' is the source of division, not the reply in kind to 'Bernie Bros'. And do not try and claim to an experienced grandfather it doesn't matter who started it. Dealing justly with contending siblings requires inquiry into how a fracas began. The Sanders campaign behaves despicably, and encourages the worst instincts of its more radical followers deliberately. 'Bernie' intends to wound if he cannot win, and moves a cult following eager to follow that directive. Do not pretend for an instant the facts are otherwise.


"A fish rots from the head down."

"Like a putrid mackerel by moonlight, he doth both stink and shine."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

They already cost us one presidential election.

Do you want them to cost us another?

This is beyond disturbing even for Bernie. I can't believe I voted for him in the primaries in 2016 I wish I could take that back. Resign bern and go enjoy your $27 retirement. Let a real Democrat have your Senate seat. One that doesn't shit on the party and spread false rumors of rape on a fellow Democrat.

… There's a way to handle these things and it's not mobs of the desperate deciding to believe something with no hard evidence based solely on their desire to win. This type of politics is why we can't leave the house right now. If our idiot-in-chief wasn't so desperate to pivot any way he could to save his own ass, we wouldn't be in the situation that we're in. And this is why I have almost as many issues with Bernie almost as I do Trump. While many of his policies are world's better, his tactics are not. I will vote blue no matter who but he is not what he's cracked up to be.

Was at 2 am.

They ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Either Bernie fires these surrogates - or he gets kicked out of the Caucus.

We should hug Sanders and say we love him. We should hug all his supporters and say we love them too. Pushing people away is counter productive.

on varied objects like rattlesnakes. It was not successful.

And endorse Biden. At this point, with the orange menace threatening to kill millions of Americans it’s time put in his big boy pants and do the right thing. I’d still vote for Bernie is he were the nominee, he would enjoy that commitment from democrats across America if he were the delegate and that’s why he chose to run as a democrat. Since he signed up, he needs to do the right thing for the sake of the country.

That being said, I believe Joe will be the nominee and even if Bernie decides to be a poor loser, Joe will still kick Trumps ass in November. And the unfortunate reason is Trump will be responsible for many millions being sick and many thousands dying

Allowing Sanders to run in 2016 without a surety of some kind was a big mistake as some of us pointed out in 2015. And as predicted, it all went horribly wrong when Sanders refused to rein in his attacks.

Then after a few minor rule changes, the DNC did the same thing this time. And again they have an unleashed candidate running around chewing up the carpet, so to speak. I'm confident that someone in the DNC will figure out how to safely remove him from the building, but please DNC, don't do this again.

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Since many states are postponing their primaries indefinitely, the process would simply be foreshortened so to speak to protect the health of voters.

Works for me!

I believe, though, that only learning that Repub/Russian were successfully using the disruption of our primary process to steal the election would justify a major retooling of it, though.

What a mess ditching a major candidate would be. It's not as if people haven't learned Sanders is a Russian asset and knows it -- too many just don't care, a huge symptom of these disordered, corrupted times. The Republican-serving MSM, including to name a few the NYT, AP and Russian state media, would amplify and pretend-legitimize the Sanders'/anti-Democratic left's messages that Democrats were (again!) stealing the nomination from him. And too many we need to vote would again fail to. (Not our best and brightest, but ours if they bother.)

The very best path by far is just to let the primary process play out. He'll cause as much trouble as he can at the convention, but it'll be less than last time and not as if we can't handle them in our own arena. They're ruthlessly aggressive, but liberal Democrats are far more numerous, far more powerful, far more competent and intelligent, and liberals always hold the high ground.

Since its function is not elect but to nominate, and the nomination was determined in record time -- three weeks, continuing in the face of the public health challenge is in my view not necessary. Democracy needs elections, and elections need candidates, and we have one. Sanders voters weren't turning out to vote anyway and there's no reason to require partisans to schlep to polling places to make unneeded votes.

That's my $.02 anyway!

And I know a lot of Democrats who didn't get to vote would be satisfied. It's just all the others.

And may the coughing clerks hold their aerosol until after you skedaddle!

just now, and we didn't cough at each other. Of course by that time he'd very properly skeedaddled well away from the porch.

I've been quiet about Sanders since it became obvious that Joe Biden will be our nominee. But at this point, we're just at a WTF moment. I feel like there are three possible scenarios:

His vanity and unwillingness to accept the obvious is preventing him from dropping out and endorsing Joe Biden.

He's batshit nuts.

He's owned by someone.

None of these scenarios are acceptable. I admit I've never been a fan of Sanders, but I'm getting very close to having ZERO respect for him.